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[Review] World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria: Great Fun, But Flawed

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  • MothanosMothanos ArnhemPosts: 1,860Member Uncommon

    with a playerbase that large its no suprise it got so many hits.

     

    WoW the mmo for the 8 year old and catering to the asian playerbase.

    An honest set if questions for you Garret.

     

     

    Did you did some battlegrounds lately  ? more bots then players.

     

    Did you level up profesions lately ? daily daily daily daily daily daily, twice as much if you also have an alt with profesion ragequit when you have all profesions.

     

    Did you joined random dungeons with these wow kids ? getting flamed and griefed to death on the spot ?

     

    Yet a positive number for social ? it should have been -10

     

    Clearly you love wow for what it is now, an empty shell of a once epic game.

    iam glad i dropped WoW last summer and havent missed it one bit.

    The last 3 years i came back only to find i regret the decision the moment i stepped into a dungeon or battleground.

     

    Even Rob Pardo was needed to start repairing all the damage caused by Ghostcrawler.

    To each his own taste, but for me and many guildies MoP is a 8 yer old kiddo pack, nothing more nothing less.

     

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,535Member Uncommon

    I'd say this is a fair review, WoW is WoW and it will never stray to far from the path it laid down, and it is getting old. But as far as entertainment goes it is still very good value for your money and the basic art style have made it age a lot better then many other games that wnet for a more realistic design.

     

    But i highly doubt we will see any major changes to the core play style of the game.

  • rodingorodingo Posts: 2,346Member Uncommon
    Interesting. It's funny how some people chose to drag GW2 into this discussion and it wasn't even by fans but by the usual suspects who typically bash it.  Did the release of GW2 really scar some of you people that much? Sheesh.

    "If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor

  • lifeordinarylifeordinary AgadirPosts: 646Member
    Originally posted by Mothanos

     

    WoW the mmo for the 8 year old and catering to the asian playerbase.

     

    To each his own taste, but for me and many guildies MoP is a 8 yer old kiddo pack, nothing more nothing less.

     

    I have seen this pattern many times. People want to express their anger by generalising and putting labels like 'kiddies', 'carebear', 'ultra casuals' on WOW players. Just on last page someone said similar things and he cliams to have a 7 year old kid.

    I mean do you guys even realise the irony in your posts? because when you make such gross generalisations you are surely not giving us an impression that you are grown up and mature individuals.

    Why all the generalisations? if i say GW2 is full of kiddies and made to appease asian players because soon they have to release the game in China you will rip me a new one.

    Nothing is more ironics than GW2 fans flaming WOW and calling it casual, kiddie and made for asians MMO.

     

    Originally posted by rodingo
    Interesting. It's funny how some people chose to drag GW2 into this discussion and it wasn't even by fans but by the usual suspects who typically bash it.  Did the release of GW2 really scar some of you people that much? Sheesh.

     

    Maybe because these hardcore GW2 fans are very easy to spot? and it is hard to ignore the irony in their post. It is not about being scarred but double standards and hypocricy.

    Like.... 'exploration in GW2 is all about fun not loot' but in case of WOW  'exploration is meaningless because it doesn't offer rewards'

    or GW2 fans flaming WOW player base for being casuals and kids.

     

  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 1,934Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GwapoJosh

    Originally posted by Rimmersman

    And no matter what WOW is still top dog lol.


     

    It's top dog because parents use it to babysit their kids..

    Looking at you signature, you know what you are talking about for sure :D

    Waiting for L2 EU Classic

  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 1,934Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mothanos

    with a playerbase that large its no suprise it got so many hits.

     

    WoW the mmo for the 8 year old and catering to the asian playerbase.

    An honest set if questions for you Garret.

     

     

    Did you did some battlegrounds lately  ? more bots then players.

     

    Did you level up profesions lately ? daily daily daily daily daily daily, twice as much if you also have an alt with profesion ragequit when you have all profesions.

     

    Did you joined random dungeons with these wow kids ? getting flamed and griefed to death on the spot ?

     

    Yet a positive number for social ? it should have been -10

     

    Clearly you love wow for what it is now, an empty shell of a once epic game.

    iam glad i dropped WoW last summer and havent missed it one bit.

    The last 3 years i came back only to find i regret the decision the moment i stepped into a dungeon or battleground.

     

    Even Rob Pardo was needed to start repairing all the damage caused by Ghostcrawler.

    To each his own taste, but for me and many guildies MoP is a 8 yer old kiddo pack, nothing more nothing less.

     

    Which game do you and your guildies play?

     

    Waiting for L2 EU Classic

  • SukiyakiSukiyaki GreenwichPosts: 1,398Member Uncommon

    Polish 10 - "Blizzard never launches an unpolished product. Seriously, it doesn’t.".

    Yeah as ever. At least by Blizzard PR standards. Literally hundred of threads with thousands of player complaining about horribly broken design conflicts and bugs  from an obviously mostly untested new "temporary servermerge" system they call "crossrealm zones" for weeks and continued complaints until today. Thousand of player facing lag spikes, spastic server zone switching, time based quests and events bugged, ingame time broken, PvE and RP player being ganked by highlevl PvP player in their save zones until Blizzard even fixed the most basic obvious issues that could have appeared, disconnects, broken gathering and broken PvP, certainly sound like their most hyped feature after the Kung Fu Pandas was "done" when it was released to the public..

    But hey someone has to keep up that great myth about Blizzards "polish". If not Blizzards PR bureau or the handful of fanbois delusional enough to believe it, then at least some dependant reporter

    I wonder how you will twist tomorrows comparatively  weak MOP sales reports into anything other than the game going downhill.

     


     

  • Angier2758Angier2758 Mt. Prospect, ILPosts: 1,011Member

    Originally posted by halflife25

    Originally posted by GwapoJosh

    Originally posted by halflife25

    Originally posted by GwapoJosh



    Originally posted by Rimmersman



    And no matter what WOW is still top dog lol.





     

    It's top dog because parents use it to babysit their kids..

    Let the generalizations and 'wow is for kiddies' nonsense begin.

    I was just wondering how no one posted it yet. Thanks for not dissapointing us.

    You are very welcome ;)  It's my seven year old son's game of choice as well as his classmates..  "So easy a caveman could do it."

    So your seven year old plays WOW and somehow it is top dog only because of these kids? think before you post. You are trying to imply that majority of people who play WOW are kids..based on what? your own experince with your son?

    Not denying that kids don't play these MMOS., hell i have seen 10 to 12 years old in my previous GW2 guild. But without any repectable data stop using such generalizations to mock WOW player base.

    Come on man you are grown up man with a kid. But you come across as very immature and childish when you say stuff like this. Now you will tell me that majority who play GW2 are grown ups. You seems to have acess to lot of internal data it seems.


     

     The honest objective answer:  WoW is trying to appeal to children currently, but that doesn't mean its just for children.  It's a simple business decision.  Also the adults playing WoW I think are doing mostly because they've put so much time into the game and they feel if they leave all that time was "wasted".

    The score should be around a 5 or a 6, but Blizzard advertises here so.... OMG pet battle keeps the score up!  I also believe GW2 was like a 7.

  • PsychowPsychow SF Giants Territory, CAPosts: 1,784Member

    For those that are unaware, you can play the Pandarian starting zone completely FREE with the free trial account. It's, IMO, the best starting zone WoW has released.

     

    You won't be able to play a MONK, but you can play any other class available to Pandarians.

  • maplestonemaplestone Ottawa, ONPosts: 3,099Member

    I found there was a lot of innovation in this expansion - both creatively and technically, but it tends to get overshadowed by the core questing.  Don't get me wrong, quests are a great elemental mechanic of the genre and story can be a great reward (and goodness knows I have a Skinner Boxish obsession with rooting them out and doing them all), but at time it starts to feel more like flipping through a comic book than playing a game or living in a world.

    I had an interesting mental flip while trying the pet battles: I started seeing green paws as the game and yellow exclamation marks as the minigame on the side.  Despite all the storytelling, it really didn't feel that one mechanic was any deeper than the other.

  • Amphib_IanAmphib_Ian cayce, SCPosts: 170Member
    Meh... MEH!!!

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  • krondinkrondin tallapoosa, GAPosts: 103Member Uncommon

    I play Wow and Rift, Rift being my #1 choice.  About MoP thou, i must say the overall review of it in this article was pretty dead on. Overall i would rate it a 7. The lacking talent system being my biggest gripe followed closely by phasing that keeps me and friends from doing things together, 3rd ly by the xrealm folks i have to compete with to mine or herb anywhere.

    On a side note, the Baddassness someone mentioned before as lacking , is there. I found it in my monk. Do you remember how OP the DK's were at launch of wotlk? I believe my monk could take 2-3 dk's in comparison. Truely way OP. I am sure within 6 months they will get hit very hard with the nerf bat but for now its alot of fun to play them.

  • fivorothfivoroth LondonPosts: 3,665Member Uncommon

    Very linear questing? I think most (all of them???) themepark MMOs focus on linear questing. Why is WoW getting downmarked for its questing? Or do we want to have that GW2"s style zerging?

    I don't agree about the talents. Talent trees are very tired and are so 2000. Yes, Blizzard came up with them in 2000!!! Do we still want to use the same system from 2000? Although their new system still mirrors the talent tree approach to an extent. I think that Diablo 3 has done it in the best way. Diablo 2 comes with talent trees, Diablo 3 buries them?

     

     

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  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kalstark

    Originally posted by Liltawen

    When I first saw the commercial for MoP I thought that they were going to introduce the Pandas as a Third Faction and that would be a totally brillliant move that would bring WOW gameplay up to date with all the other more recent games.

    When it launched and I discovered that it was the same old Hoard/Alliance nonsense that has been around for 8-9 years I was seriously angry that their own commercial lied to me.

    I think MoP was a serious disappointment and a major misstep on Blizzards part. They could have reentered the modern MMO world but they just threw it away.  People say that only Blizzard can defeat WOW and they sure did it this time.

     
    [mod edit]

    While I don't agree with how he feels things turned out, I do agree that making the pandas a 3rd faction would have been a real power move.

  • TamanousTamanous Edmonton, ABPosts: 2,126Member Uncommon



    Originally posted by fivoroth

    Very linear questing? I think most (all of them???) themepark MMOs focus on linear questing. Why is WoW getting downmarked for its questing? Or do we want to have that GW2"s style zerging?





    I don't agree about the talents. Talent trees are very tired and are so 2000. Yes, Blizzard came up with them in 2000!!! Do we still want to use the same system from 2000? Although their new system still mirrors the talent tree approach to an extent. I think that Diablo 3 has done it in the best way. Diablo 2 comes with talent trees, Diablo 3 buries them?





     





     










     

    You are entirely missing the point of a talent system. It is to offer variety between classes. That is entirely a good thing. Why didn't it work in Wow? Because the game itself does not support diversity. Bliz realized their game forces you into a specific role and build for anything approaching end game and pretty much the same for pvp. Talent trees in general are a flawed design. An more open ended sytems works far better in other games. Bliz was forced to chop their talent system because of the way their game is designed, not because diversity is a bad thing. Ultimately all players end up doing nothing more than queueing up for dungeon speed runs anyway so they may as well dropped 50% of the open world quest system as well. If the only reason why you enter the larger maps is to collect craft resources, daily quest grind and to find hidden plaques to read thinking that is real exploration then I'll continue laughing at the current state of Wow.



     

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  • AcvivmAcvivm Austin, TXPosts: 321Member Uncommon







    Originally posted by Sukiyaki





    Polish 10 - "Blizzard never launches an unpolished product. Seriously, it doesn’t.".













    Yeah as ever. At least by Blizzard PR standards. Literally hundred of threads with thousands of player complaining about horribly broken design conflicts and bugs  from an obviously mostly untested new "temporary servermerge" system they call "crossrealm zones" for weeks and continued complaints until today. Thousand of player facing lag spikes, spastic server zone switching, time based quests and events bugged, ingame time broken, PvE and RP player being ganked by highlevl PvP player in their save zones until Blizzard even fixed the most basic obvious issues that could have appeared, disconnects, broken gathering and broken PvP, certainly sound like their most hyped feature after the Kung Fu Pandas was "done" when it was released to the public..













    But hey someone has to keep up that great myth about Blizzards "polish". If not Blizzards PR bureau or the handful of fanbois delusional enough to believe it, then at least some dependant reporter













    I wonder how you will twist tomorrows comparatively  weak MOP sales reports into anything other than the game going downhill.




    That is what people do on WoW forums (And Blizzard forums in general)...they complain....all day long about everything. I can't think of a single problem I had with cross-realm zones besides the occasional dismount glitch that only happened maybe twice in Orgrimmar that has never happened since.




    To begin with, CRZs were implemented way before Pandaria went live so I don't see how this is related to MoPs expansion quality at all since it was a seperate feature. Most of the gltiches with CRZs have been patched like the repeating chat text, the lag spikes and the in game server clock before the expansion even released. On top of that a majority of the crying was directed at dumb issues like "I am getting ganked to much because of CRZ" on a PVP server mind you....




    The people that whined, were crying about petty things like "I picked a low pop server so I could farm rare mounts and now with CRZ I can't because there are more people" or "I am having a hard time leveling my professions because ore and herbs are so hard to get with more people around".

    Yes are still lingering issues like the fishing tournament being disabled but the overall benefits far outweigh the problems especially on PVP servers where open world PVP was pretty much dead until now.







     




     

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  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,928Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nevulus

    "Blizzard never launches an unpolished product. Seriously, it doesn’t"

     

    The writer actually wrote that with a straight face. Obviously the writer never played WoW at launch. It was FAR from smooth. And let's not forget about a lil failed game called Diablo III.

    Someone doesn't know what "polished" means.

     

    WOWs launch was marred not by another close to polish, but by their servers being overrun.  They underestimated sales and it was their first MMO.

     

    D3 also didn't lack polish.  It lacked a well designed end game and loot system.  The system they implemented was very polished.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,928Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by rodingo
    Interesting. It's funny how some people chose to drag GW2 into this discussion and it wasn't even by fans but by the usual suspects who typically bash it.  Did the release of GW2 really scar some of you people that much? Sheesh.

    They were questioning the integrity of this review by citing this sites review of another recent MMO, GW2.  Completely related and fair. 

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,928Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Khondor
    Might want to complete and post reviews while the game or expansion is still relevant.  This expansion was released in September.   People are way beyond caring about your opinion at this point.

    The reviewers here are exactly hardcore players.  Notice how there isn't any mention of ratings or the balance of rated PVP.  In the past they've been burned by reviewing games too early.  The thing is, even if they wait over a month they still don't experience much endgame has to offer.  They only review the leveling process, hence SWTOR stellar score.

  • FullmoonfeverFullmoonfever Mineola, TXPosts: 5Member
    If this is what you call "polished" I have to dought you spent as much time with the features as CRZ has broken so many things it is not even funny.Wintergrasp Broken,Tol Borad Broken,Random dismounts that kill you,tONS OF pvp ISSUES,Unbalanced classes,Spells not working as intended,More CRZ issues that may not ever get fixed,and there are tons more,but this is what comes to mind.End game HUGE amounts of Rep Grinds etc....
  • Yavin_PrimeYavin_Prime Oak Park, CAPosts: 233Member
    I like Pandaria, I'm having fun with it but I 100% hate the talent changes. My warlock was 52 and a toon I was enjoying untill they changed up the talents and such. I agree it's a major step backwards for WoW, one that may have me moving on to greener pastures.
  • TheHavokTheHavok San Jose, CAPosts: 2,398Member Uncommon

    Personally I think the new talent system is a step forward.  Of course the cookie cutter builds always emerge but atleast now, you can take risk like what kind of CC you are going to grab or what kind of 90 point talent you take and you will still remain extremely viable and competitive. 

    Bsaically the funadmental, most important talents are given to each class now as passives so the talents we actually pick are just added benefits that wont make or break you (most of the time - WARRIORS OP NERF NERF NERF NERF)

     

     

  • TheHavokTheHavok San Jose, CAPosts: 2,398Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Yavin_Prime

    I like Pandaria, I'm having fun with it but I 100% hate the talent changes. My warlock was 52 and a toon I was enjoying untill they changed up the talents and such. I agree it's a major step backwards for WoW, one that may have me moving on to greener pastures.

     

    Maybe things suck at 52 for warlocks but I know warlocks are loving 90.  ALL specs are also being used by top players: demonology, destro, and affliction.  Affliction looks like it might be the weakest atm, but its still capable to hold its own in BGs and arena.  It just doesn't have the ridiculous burst of destro and demonology atm.

  • KareliaKarelia HeraklionPosts: 668Member

    after playing hardcore (until the end of TBC), i m playing wow casual anymore and i have lots of fun. more than i was in WTLK and CATA at least.

    if i was to give it a score i would give it an 8 compared to other mmo games.

    compared to wow itself i would say 9+. its superior than any of the past expansions they released.

    i m not having illusions. every expansion is an EXPANSION only of an 8 years old game. not a new one and thats how i see it.

    anyway whatever the score is, i m having much more fun than every other game i bought the past few years ( Rift, SWTOR, War, GW2, EVE ) at least in the long term.

     



     

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