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If EQNEXT fails or flops how will it effect sandbox games.

cybertruckercybertrucker Pensacola, FLPosts: 1,119Member
If SOE fails to deliver with a AAA sandbox, do you think it will discourage any other future investments by larger developers?
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  • AmarantharAmaranthar OhioPosts: 2,428Member Uncommon

    It's going to happen anyways. For some reason that's beyond the normal intellectual capability of mere mortal gamers, the Powers That Be in the gaming community refuse to go true Sandbox. Anything made that claims to be Sandbox will in reality be Themepark game play disguised and promoted as "what you want, a sandbox game, finally we listened, Give Us You Money Now!"

    And when it fails to drive the industry, because it is after all just more of the same game play, the Powers That Be will proclaim loudly "See!? Sandbox doesn't work!" And then they'll continue to give us yet more Themepark game play, and they will call it "a return to the glory years."

    Meanwhile, bloggers here and elsewhere will continue to toss out ideas of how to turn failure into "new ideas", turning old failed ideas around and around to draw eyes to their articles and debate the never ending "if only" that could...low and behold..turn failed ideas into money making gems by the power of persuasion in true internet form.

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  • pvpirlpvpirl Orlando, FLPosts: 167Member

    Themepark titles, be they indie or AAA have been sucking for years yet the industry keeps cranking them out.

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  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member
    Assuming it will be a sandbox. I am not entirely sure of that.
  • OnomasOnomas Rock Hill, SCPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon

    Its SOE.................

     

    And who cares with 3 other great sandboxes coming out. Archeage alone is what im waiting for, the repopulation loolks promising, and found a new title called greed monger today that looks very nice.

     

    EQ shouldnt take the leap, its a good game and they will screw it up.

  • BurntvetBurntvet Baltimore, MDPosts: 2,941Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Assuming it will be a sandbox. I am not entirely sure of that.

    This.

    I sincerely doubt SOE could put out a decent sandbox game (let alone a decent game at all) at this point.

    At best, it will be a hybrid themepark with sandboxish elements.

    At worst, it is just Smed using the term "Sandbox style" game to drum up hype for the last piece of IP SOE has that is worth anything. And then deliver the typical "themepark with a twist".

    And if it is done with the same "quality" and "attention to detail" as other SOE titles, it will most likely stink.

     

    So, considering that EQNext will not be a sandbox except by the most liberal of definitions (and not really even then), I doubt its probable failure will affect anything.

     

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member

    Smed has said "sandbox style game"

    the jury is out.

  • free2playfree2play Toronto, ONPosts: 1,868Member Uncommon

    I don't know how much of SWG's engine they had control over. EQ name, SWG preCU principles in resources, crafting and decay? Throw in the point system for skills?

    If anyone can do it, SOE can. If anyone can screw it up, SOE can.

  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by pvpirl

    Themepark titles, be they indie or AAA have been sucking for years yet the industry keeps cranking them out.

    at a financial loss.

     

    eventually the money will dry out.

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  • SlampigSlampig Chantilly, VAPosts: 2,376Member Uncommon
    How about waiting until we know ANYTHING about this game?

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  • GreenishBlueGreenishBlue Baltimore, MDPosts: 263Member
    is it really a "sandbox" or just a marketing gimmick? I will follow-up on more info

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  • AmarantharAmaranthar OhioPosts: 2,428Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Slampig
    How about waiting until we know ANYTHING about this game?

    Why? There's a track record. A steady and consistent one.

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  • XiaokiXiaoki White Pigeon, MIPosts: 2,603Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by cybertrucker
    If SOE fails to deliver with a AAA sandbox, do you think it will discourage any other future investments by larger developers?
    Yes, most definitely.


    Publishers have avoided sandbox MMOs because they are regarded as not financially viable.


    If EQ Next is a AAA Sandbox MMO and it tanks then it will only serve to prove to publishers that they were right to avoid sandbox MMOs.

  • GurpslordGurpslord Hutchinson, MNPosts: 350Member
    It's not just sandboxes, or SOE.  Fact is MMO's as a whole have just sucked the giant suck, getting worse over the years.  It's gotten to the point where games get hyped for years, played for a month and then abandoned almost entirely.  There's been some exceptions but for the most part I can't imagine there's a lot of companies out there who still want to take the risk to do anything innovative or otherwise in this genre anymore.
  • MMOExposedMMOExposed lalal land, DCPosts: 6,255Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Assuming it will be a sandbox. I am not entirely sure of that.

    this. SoE calls EQ1 a sandbox. so I would watch out for their meaning of Sandbox.

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  • funyahnsfunyahns michigan city, INPosts: 315Member
     Its a little early for this kind of talk isn't it? At least 2 years out from release at a guess, and no idea of actual concept.
  • pvpirlpvpirl Orlando, FLPosts: 167Member

    we need more info bros. hit up editors of MMO sites, storm twitter, demand info and interviews.

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  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon

    were at least 1.5 years out before it releases I think this thread is a bit premature.  Honestly I don't expect much of out eqnext, as usually I been let down by smedley talking a good game but never delivering.

     

  • ZylaxxZylaxx Erlanger, KYPosts: 2,574Member
    Originally posted by cybertrucker
    If SOE fails to deliver with a AAA sandbox, do you think it will discourage any other future investments by larger developers?

    It wont effect anything as Sandbox is not a good way for a company to make $$$.  There will continue to be the rare Triple A studio that decides to get on the Sandbox bandwagon but shortly after they will fail like every sandbox prior to the next one.  Sandbox is niche market and only really feel mainstream on this site, anywhere else you go (for MMO's) its mostly a themepark world, and we all know the best MMO's with the msot subscribers have been themeparks.

     

    Now Sandparks or Themebox's are a whole new argument and could gain some traction.

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  • thinktank001thinktank001 oasisPosts: 2,027Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Assuming it will be a sandbox. I am not entirely sure of that.

    this. SoE calls EQ1 a sandbox. so I would watch out for their meaning of Sandbox.

    Do you have a link for that statement?  It is just too outrageous to be true.

  • Trudge34Trudge34 Stevens Point, WIPosts: 392Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by thinktank001
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Assuming it will be a sandbox. I am not entirely sure of that.

    this. SoE calls EQ1 a sandbox. so I would watch out for their meaning of Sandbox.

    Do you have a link for that statement?  It is just too outrageous to be true.

    I came to this thread thinking in the back of my mind, well...comparing EQ1 to today's games that have come out since WoW...it basically is a sandbox. I don't think EQN will be a total sandbox, but be EQ1 with some sandbox elements. Good enough for me I'm hoping.

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  • AmarantharAmaranthar OhioPosts: 2,428Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by pvpirl

    we need more info bros. hit up editors of MMO sites, storm twitter, demand info and interviews.

    As you might have noticed, our illustrious overlords have been giving us less and less nuts and bolts info over the years on what exactly is in our diet of swill. It's to the point of giving us pictures and names of mighty Bosses, talk of great stories we shall play out determined by their predesigned hand and granted to we the peasantry in volumes of sameness. And promises of something new that they can't for some reason explain to us, no doubt because we are not educated enough or of quite refined enough background to grasp.

    It seems the only thing good enough about us is our money, of which they shall gladly scheme to relieve of us the burden.

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  • AmarantharAmaranthar OhioPosts: 2,428Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Trudge34
    Originally posted by thinktank001
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Assuming it will be a sandbox. I am not entirely sure of that.

    this. SoE calls EQ1 a sandbox. so I would watch out for their meaning of Sandbox.

    Do you have a link for that statement?  It is just too outrageous to be true.

    I came to this thread thinking in the back of my mind, well...comparing EQ1 to today's games that have come out since WoW...it basically is a sandbox. I don't think EQN will be a total sandbox, but be EQ1 with some sandbox elements. Good enough for me I'm hoping.

    Hope all you want. But if it plays like a Themepark, you will not call it a Sandbox to any degree. You will simply say it had a few Sandbox elements, while admiting it is indeed a Themepark game. Much like, very much like, all the others.

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  • AmarantharAmaranthar OhioPosts: 2,428Member Uncommon
    *Now* would seem like a good time for Smed to explain to us how his Sandbox will actually play like a Sandbox.

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  • Swollen_BeefSwollen_Beef Tampa, FLPosts: 200Member

    It wont affect the future of any sandbox game. If it flops, it flops, and the year after that another sandbox will come out and so on and so forth. 

    The reason it wont affect the future of sandbox games if it does flops is because gamers today are retarded when it comes to money. Which is why people spend money on day 1 DLC that was already on the disc they already paid for. but i digress. 

     

    a sandbox game flopping means absolute dick. themepark after themepark have failed and devs continue to make themeparks and gamers continue to buy it.

  • KuinnKuinn MestaPosts: 2,093Member
    Originally posted by cybertrucker
    If SOE fails to deliver with a AAA sandbox, do you think it will discourage any other future investments by larger developers?

     

    We've only heard that it's a sandbox, time will tell how the game even plays and if it will be viewed as a sandbox by the crowd. Wildstar devs told it's going to be a sandbox-themepark hybrid, but their explanation of the systems sounds like it's just going to be another fullblown themepark.

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