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Ok can somebody explain the connection in gameplay between Eve and Dust?
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Ok can somebody explain the connection in gameplay between Eve and Dust?
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CCP has been talking about this for years now. This is what I understand about EvE and DUST514...
Players of EvE (some) have wanted the ability to land on planets and play the game there as well as in space.... Devs said the PC wasn't quite the right way to do it.....
Players of Console game FPS's saw the EvE Universe and their mouths watered.... they loved the idea of EvE and wanted to play there... but Consoles and PCs have trouble running exact same game together...
Some of the CCP Staff also were Console Gamers as well as PC Gamers and saw a marvelous opportunity...
EvE Players will soon be able to "hire" Console Gamers to play as Combat Soldiers to take and hold territories on Planets through ground (planetary) combat. This gives Console Gamers the "EvE Experience" they have desired for years and it gives EvE Pod Pilot Players the opportunity to not only control space, but also the Planets themselves in a very practical way.
Now when a Corp invades a system to take it not only will there be a fleet operation, but also a planet landfall and occupation operation. Controlling a Region will now require Space and Terrestrial control strategies to really claim a Region.
Think of it as something akin to how human society "works" in movies such as the Alien series and Avatar. Corporations are the true Powers and Combat Forces are Mercs hired by the Corps to enforce and defend the will of the Corps in addtion to the Space Fleets.
Space Fleets: PC. / Ground Forces: Console
More Players, more options, more combat, more fun for Players overall, More money for CCP.
Everyone Wins (that's the plan anyways).
I very much doubt that many console gamers know or care about Eve.
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Perhaps, but some did.
I played EvE years ago, and I remember the posts on the EvE forums back then asking for EvE to be ported to Console, and for PC Players to be able to land and control planets thru ground combat. All suggestions at the time. CCP came up with the DUST514 idea years ago in response to all that.
Whether or not this will work, and whether it will be a good business venture, is yet to be seen.
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Console gamers are tradtionally casual players in the sense that they play a few hours here and there and want games with alot of action. Games with progression like RPGs and slow paced like strategy games are tradtitionally on PC, True that FPS games have started more and more to move to consoles but still if we are talking about Eve, I have not seen any signs that console gamers are interested in such a title.
What boggles my mind is that Eve is for PC games, yet CCP is not releasing a PC client. That is a huge misstake which will come back and bite them on their ass.
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Maybe, maybe not.
I am not console Gamer myself... I hate console gaming in general.... not the equipment but the "system" of how the companies screw the Gamers (imho). I also don't get along with many Console Gamers themselves... call it a "personality clash". I am a tried and true PC Gamer all the way and proud of it..... So I am not waving pomp-pomps for this lightly.
However... now that I have put a big bullseye on my shirt for the Console Gamers to aim at I will say this... I think DUST514 being put on console is actually a great idea. Any EvE inspired ground combat game I think would play "best" on a console gaming platform. DUST514 is a FPS and developers have built Console Gaming Systems for FPS Games mostly.
Just my opinion, so I guess we shall see.
(Note: I quit playing EvE years ago after Barges were introduced and I watched my "niche" in the EvE Universe evaporate and be taken over by the Bots. I was a Miner, and I loved my profession, but no mere human MMO Gamer can compete with a Bot.... so I am not happy with CCP. However... I do think DUST514 is a good idea, and I think EvE Players in general will enjoy this content being added to EvE. I still care about EvE and it's Players. )
i've tried Dust and let me tell you: CCP shot themselves in the foot making this a PS3 exclusive. it should have been a free PC shooter.
the game itself is average at best, but the sad part is that PS3 players won't give a hoot about the fact that it's connected to a hard core, sanbox, space mmo. they will only see it as a mediocre free shooter with a cash shop, and some OP squads that ruin everything every time they call in an Air strikes from some "other game".
the only people that would actually give a damn about Dust are PC EvE players, and they won't buy a PS3 just to play this. PS3 players wont buy EvE just so they can call air strikes in their Dust matches....
Could not agree more, there is already talk of our corp pulling the plug as they not supporting PC with this and us PC gamers are not buying the poor console to play it end of. Console has always been directed at the younger end of the market, that's not to say that adults dont play on them as many do. But the fact is that you cannot tie these two together and they should of just made it console for both space and land and the same for PC if they wanted it on a console that bad.
IMO it's a fail as I have been playing Eve since 07/05/2003 and this is the thanks for my loyalty. The other thing which is annoying the hell out of me is it's my monthly payments which have been used to develop this crazy idea. CCP have had it good up to now, but I sure they will feel the pain once it goes live.
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MAG fans and Resistance fans have reason to play Dust. Dust has the Same gameplay as many MAG modes. That, along side being free, is the reason for ps3 players to check the game out, and actually learn about Eve and may sub to the game.
Otherwise these players WOUKD continue to go about playing games and never know what eve is to sub to. To them Eve is a chick from the bible.
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As an EVE player I can confirm (at least for myself) that you are spot on with your last paragraph.
I love the idea of landing on a planet and do combat there with the avatar (although this has absolutely nothing to do with anything in EVE at all), but only if that was possible from within the EVE game itself. Even if it was on the PC, but required a different program to be launched next to EVE, then my interest would already fade.
But indeed, not going to buy a PS3. Ever.
Here's a link to the connection from the EVE side: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE-Dust_514_Link_FAQ
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The only console gamers who were "mouth watering" for EVE are already playing EVE. The decision to put all this effort into dust is likely going to end up in a console game that no one really cares about. It should have been done on the PC if they couldn't make it part of the base game. As someone who's waiting for this game to eventually expand into a WiS gameplay, I find the entire idea of DUST on consoles to be ludicrous. And I'm a big fan of CCP.
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I agree with you entirely.
Me too. I've been playing Eve for years with the understanding that CCP wanted to create a Sci Fi world within Eve Online.
Looking at DUST gameplay - it's nothing special. The original concept would have been better.
It would have been good to leave your ship to explore a derelict space station - eliminating drones and salvaging. It would have been better than DUST probably.
Your monthly payments provide you access to EvE, if you want a say in how the money is invested buy shares in CCP, if you do that however, you might find yourself pleased that they are trying to diversify their income streams.
I don't get all these threats to quit, just do it, words are nothing, actions count.
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The only way of getting CCP to change direction is through forums and the player council.