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  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon

    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.  It's like reading a review for a theatrical production in the movie reviews.  It lends to confusion and just misleads the reader. 

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by grimal

    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.  It's like reading a review for a theatrical production in the movie reviews.  It lends to confusion and just misleads the reader. 

    Except that GW2 is an MMORPG.  This is my confused face.  :-

    This is where you and I disagree. :(

  • QuicklyScottQuicklyScott BristolPosts: 433Member
    Originally posted by grimal

    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.  It's like reading a review for a theatrical production in the movie reviews.  It lends to confusion and just misleads the reader. 

    Don't know how you think GW2 isn't a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.  I would say GW1 was one as well, although more limited.

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  • PilnkplonkPilnkplonk zagrebPosts: 1,532Member
    Originally posted by Yakamomoto
    Originally posted by Enigmatus
    7 - 8 is still about right to me.

    For customer service? Seriously, that was the worst experience I ever had in any MMO. I had an ongoing ticket over 5 weeks which was not even resolved properly. Response time was over 2 weeks, then they requested the same info I already posted in the same ticket.

    "Service" is a 2-3 at best which is kinda bad. The only high rating I gave for Graphics.

    Role playing, 8.5 ? How can anyone role play in this game that it deserves that high number? I must be doing something wrong then.

     

                Graphics
          9.4

    • Fun
      9.1
    • Sound
      9.3
    • Community
      8.5
    • Role-Playing
      8.5
    • Performance/Lag
      8.8
    • Value
      9.4
    • Service
      8.5
     
    ???
     
    The only rating I can kinda agree with are the graphics, but a realistic graphics MMO could still degrade this 9.4 easily

    It all sounds about right as far as I'm concerned. YOU had a bad experience with customer service while most of people  (me included) didn't have any problem with that. In fact, I made quite a ruckus with them not allowing me to create a new account with an email I happened to be using for GW1... a mess really that I made. They contacted me promptly and were very understanding but I decided to stop being an a-hole and just created a new email. My point is that even with something as arcane as this I got personal contact in a few hrs. Dunno what happened with your ticket, really.

    As for RP... well mate, role-playing is a social affair. Just like in RL you can't expect to walk into a busy street and have everybody be your buddy. Sorry, the days when mmorpgs were a refuge of socially-starved nerds yearning for someone to speak to them are long over. They are not going to come back. Forget it. Your best bets are either to play with RL friends or be really funny and entertaining on map chat. If you want RP but aren't getting any then yes, you're doing something wrong. Go play any other mmorpg that is not a 10k nerd refuge and you'll get the same treatment.

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by grimal

    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.  It's like reading a review for a theatrical production in the movie reviews.  It lends to confusion and just misleads the reader. 

    Except that GW2 is an MMORPG.  This is my confused face.  :-

    This is where you and I disagree. :(

    i wouldn't classify swtor as a mmorpg at all more of a co-op rpg but then again you and me don't get to define what is universally considered MMORPG,, i will agree TL, GW1,and D3 aren't mmorpgs though

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • PilnkplonkPilnkplonk zagrebPosts: 1,532Member
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by grimal

    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.  It's like reading a review for a theatrical production in the movie reviews.  It lends to confusion and just misleads the reader. 

    Except that GW2 is an MMORPG.  This is my confused face.  :-

    This is where you and I disagree. :(

    Yeah, and the rest of the civilized world. If GW2 is not a mmorpg then WoW or EQ are not mmorpgs as well. Jeez, what the hack are you yammering about?

  • BanquettoBanquetto CityPosts: 1,037Member Uncommon

    I edited my rating downwards a few weeks ago, after spending enough time playing to form a fuller opinion.

    Mine is a 7.3 now. I think it was a little over 8 initially. It's still a pretty good game, but I don't think it's as good as I initially did.

  • BanquettoBanquetto CityPosts: 1,037Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by grimal
    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.


    GW2 is not Massive?

    Not Multiplayer?

    Not Online?

    Not Role-Playing?

    Not a Game?

    Which of the five lets it down?


    p.s. no argument about GW1, D3 or Torchlight.

  • sammyelisammyeli Fremont, CAPosts: 765Member
    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    Originally posted by grimal

    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.  It's like reading a review for a theatrical production in the movie reviews.  It lends to confusion and just misleads the reader. 

    Except that GW2 is an MMORPG.  This is my confused face.  :-

    This is where you and I disagree. :(

    Yeah, and the rest of the civilized world. If GW2 is not a mmorpg then WoW or EQ are not mmorpgs as well. Jeez, what the hack are you yammering about?

    Its something new with grimal that he picked up its awesome though lol not an MMORPG let him be. =P

     

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  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by Banquetto

     


    Originally posted by grimal
    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

     

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.


     

    GW2 is not Massive?

    Not Multiplayer?

    Not Online?

    Not Role-Playing?

    Not a Game?

    Which of the five lets it down?


    p.s. no argument about GW1, D3 or Torchlight.

    he thinks its not an RPG....

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • mysticmousemysticmouse LOVELAND, COPosts: 107Member Uncommon
    I gave it a 7.5 and am having fun with it.
  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Banquetto

     


    Originally posted by grimal
    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

     

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.


     

    GW2 is not Massive?

    Not Multiplayer?

    Not Online?

    Not Role-Playing?

    Not a Game?

    Which of the five lets it down?


    p.s. no argument about GW1, D3 or Torchlight.

    he thinks its not an RPG....

    I would say it's more of a COOP MMO than a full blown MMORPG.  It lacks the progression and character dedication an RPG does, hence I left out that part.

    Many people have stated in these own forums they found GW2 to be "soulless" or "MMO-lite" or "MMO Coop" so I am not out of left field here.

    But what I was getting at, when you already predefine D3 or GW1 as an MMO, rate it as 8 or 8.5 and then Joe Blow comes around, sees that, goes and picks it up based on that....well, that's a bit misleading, wouldn't you say?  If you are going to call it MMORPG.COM, stick with MMORPGs.  Want to cover  MMOA?  Create an additional site or section for it.

     

  • MithrandolirMithrandolir The Deep Woods, NJPosts: 1,698Member Uncommon

    Yes. I am not a big fan of themeparks in general, but this, in my opinion, is one of the best post 2001.

     

  • eGumballeGumball New York, NYPosts: 151Member
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Banquetto

     


    Originally posted by grimal
    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

     

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.


     

    GW2 is not Massive?

    Not Multiplayer?

    Not Online?

    Not Role-Playing?

    Not a Game?

    Which of the five lets it down?


    p.s. no argument about GW1, D3 or Torchlight.

    he thinks its not an RPG....

    I would say it's more of a COOP MMO than a full blown MMORPG.  It lacks the progression and character dedication an RPG does, hence I left out that part.

    Many people have stated in these own forums they found GW2 to be "soulless" or "MMO-lite" or "MMO Coop" so I am not out of left field here.

    But what I was getting at, when you already predefine D3 or GW1 as an MMO, rate it as 8 or 8.5 and then Joe Blow comes around, sees that, goes and picks it up based on that....well, that's a bit misleading, wouldn't you say?  If you are going to call it MMORPG.COM, stick with MMORPGs.  Want to cover  MMOA?  Create an additional site or section for it.

     

     

    What´s funny is that Guild Wars 2 has more RPG elements than the most MMORPGs in the industry, icluding WoW and TSW. What you call an MMO is subjevtive, as much as the fact the I think of WoW as a Mario clone. MMOs are chosen by the industry, the media and the '' community ''. Even if the ''so called'' MMOs aren´t, they will still be considered this way, this is buessnis, not a playing house, where you decide what things should be and shouldn´t. Not to mention the fact, that the RPG elements that you are '' saying '' thery are missing from GW2 may not even be considered RPG for many people.

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148 1, NJPosts: 6,690Member
    Theme park or not it is still a 7 in my opinion which is just average.
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  • Masa1Masa1 LapuaPosts: 318Member Common
    My original rating of 3.5 stays, since I had to throw a lot of money for new PC.
  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member
    Originally posted by Enigmatus
    7 - 8 is still about right to me.

    Yep, I gave it an 8 and I feel that is the highest it deserves. 1-2 month of fun and then move on. I have spent more in other MMOs but it was one of the best fun I had in those 1-2 month, atleast in PvE.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    I still think in the context of the swtor score, gw2 score is pretty accurate.
  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member
    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Banquetto

     


    Originally posted by grimal
    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

     

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.


     

    GW2 is not Massive?

    Not Multiplayer?

    Not Online?

    Not Role-Playing?

    Not a Game?

    Which of the five lets it down?


    p.s. no argument about GW1, D3 or Torchlight.

    he thinks its not an RPG....

    I would say it's more of a COOP MMO than a full blown MMORPG.  It lacks the progression and character dedication an RPG does, hence I left out that part.

    Many people have stated in these own forums they found GW2 to be "soulless" or "MMO-lite" or "MMO Coop" so I am not out of left field here.

    But what I was getting at, when you already predefine D3 or GW1 as an MMO, rate it as 8 or 8.5 and then Joe Blow comes around, sees that, goes and picks it up based on that....well, that's a bit misleading, wouldn't you say?  If you are going to call it MMORPG.COM, stick with MMORPGs.  Want to cover  MMOA?  Create an additional site or section for it.

     

    [mod edit]

    I think you are the one who needs to stop. You feel you can still progress after 200 hours, great for you. Alot of us others do not, we dont find much fun in doing every heart quest and every super mario jumping nonsense, that is more of a chore than progressing anything. And we are perfectly entitled to our opinion that the game has no progression after you hit 80, get exotic gear and doing the meaningless WvW for hours and hours.

    Not saying I agree with the guy that it is not an MMORPG, what I am saying is that it is quite a light MMORPG in the sense that there isn't much to do at endgame worth doing. Which is true for almost all ThemeParks.

  • khamul787khamul787 Garland, TXPosts: 193Member
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Banquetto

     


    Originally posted by grimal
    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

     

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.


     

    GW2 is not Massive?

    Not Multiplayer?

    Not Online?

    Not Role-Playing?

    Not a Game?

    Which of the five lets it down?


    p.s. no argument about GW1, D3 or Torchlight.

    he thinks its not an RPG....

    I would say it's more of a COOP MMO than a full blown MMORPG.  It lacks the progression and character dedication an RPG does, hence I left out that part.

    Many people have stated in these own forums they found GW2 to be "soulless" or "MMO-lite" or "MMO Coop" so I am not out of left field here.

    But what I was getting at, when you already predefine D3 or GW1 as an MMO, rate it as 8 or 8.5 and then Joe Blow comes around, sees that, goes and picks it up based on that....well, that's a bit misleading, wouldn't you say?  If you are going to call it MMORPG.COM, stick with MMORPGs.  Want to cover  MMOA?  Create an additional site or section for it.

     

    [mod edit]

    I think you are the one who needs to stop. You feel you can still progress after 200 hours, great for you. Alot of us others do not, we dont find much fun in doing every heart quest and every super mario jumping nonsense, that is more of a chore than progressing anything. And we are perfectly entitled to our opinion that the game has no progression after you hit 80, get exotic gear and doing the meaningless WvW for hours and hours.

    Not saying I agree with the guy that it is not an MMORPG, what I am saying is that it is quite a light MMORPG in the sense that there isn't much to do at endgame worth doing. Which is true for almost all ThemeParks.

    It is not an opinion that there is no progression after you hit 80. It is simply a falsehood; there *is* progression. You simply don't like it. That does not mean it does not exist. If there is something I don't like, I don't pretend it doesn't exist just to support my theories.

    That is what Grimal is doing. He can think GW2 isn't an MMO all he wants; he is objectively false. 

    He can think there is no RPG or progression in it, and he would be objectively false.

    He can, however, not like GW2's style of progression and RPG. This does not mean the features aren't present.

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  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member
    Originally posted by khamul787
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Banquetto

     


    Originally posted by grimal
    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

     

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.


     

    GW2 is not Massive?

    Not Multiplayer?

    Not Online?

    Not Role-Playing?

    Not a Game?

    Which of the five lets it down?


    p.s. no argument about GW1, D3 or Torchlight.

    he thinks its not an RPG....

    I would say it's more of a COOP MMO than a full blown MMORPG.  It lacks the progression and character dedication an RPG does, hence I left out that part.

    Many people have stated in these own forums they found GW2 to be "soulless" or "MMO-lite" or "MMO Coop" so I am not out of left field here.

    But what I was getting at, when you already predefine D3 or GW1 as an MMO, rate it as 8 or 8.5 and then Joe Blow comes around, sees that, goes and picks it up based on that....well, that's a bit misleading, wouldn't you say?  If you are going to call it MMORPG.COM, stick with MMORPGs.  Want to cover  MMOA?  Create an additional site or section for it.

     

    [mod edit]

    I think you are the one who needs to stop. You feel you can still progress after 200 hours, great for you. Alot of us others do not, we dont find much fun in doing every heart quest and every super mario jumping nonsense, that is more of a chore than progressing anything. And we are perfectly entitled to our opinion that the game has no progression after you hit 80, get exotic gear and doing the meaningless WvW for hours and hours.

    Not saying I agree with the guy that it is not an MMORPG, what I am saying is that it is quite a light MMORPG in the sense that there isn't much to do at endgame worth doing. Which is true for almost all ThemeParks.

    It is not an opinion that there is no progression after you hit 80. It is simply a falsehood; there *is* progression. You simply don't like it. That does not mean it does not exist. If there is something I don't like, I don't pretend it doesn't exist just to support my theories.

    That is what Grimal is doing. He can think GW2 isn't an MMO all he wants; he is objectively false. 

    He can think there is no RPG or progression in it, and he would be objectively false.

    He can, however, not like GW2's style of progression and RPG. This does not mean the features aren't present.

    It is not simply falsehood. Once you hit 80 and get exotic gear, anything you do after that will only marginally affect your character. Observe here that I am saying character and not you as a player. You can ofcourse be a better player but I am talking about your character.

    As for the game not being an MMORPG I dont think it is objectively false. MMORPGs were originally about virtual worlds and ThemeParks are arguably not virtual worlds but rather virtual ThemeParks.

  • PilnkplonkPilnkplonk zagrebPosts: 1,532Member
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Banquetto

     


    Originally posted by grimal
    The problem I have is that for a site called "MMORPG.COM", there should only be MMOPRGs listed here.

     

    That said, titles like GW2, GW1, D3, Torchlight 1/2, etc should not be listed and/or given a rating on this site.


     

    GW2 is not Massive?

    Not Multiplayer?

    Not Online?

    Not Role-Playing?

    Not a Game?

    Which of the five lets it down?


    p.s. no argument about GW1, D3 or Torchlight.

    he thinks its not an RPG....

    I would say it's more of a COOP MMO than a full blown MMORPG.  It lacks the progression and character dedication an RPG does, hence I left out that part.

    Many people have stated in these own forums they found GW2 to be "soulless" or "MMO-lite" or "MMO Coop" so I am not out of left field here.

    But what I was getting at, when you already predefine D3 or GW1 as an MMO, rate it as 8 or 8.5 and then Joe Blow comes around, sees that, goes and picks it up based on that....well, that's a bit misleading, wouldn't you say?  If you are going to call it MMORPG.COM, stick with MMORPGs.  Want to cover  MMOA?  Create an additional site or section for it.

     

    [mod edit]

    I think you are the one who needs to stop. You feel you can still progress after 200 hours, great for you. Alot of us others do not, we dont find much fun in doing every heart quest and every super mario jumping nonsense, that is more of a chore than progressing anything. And we are perfectly entitled to our opinion that the game has no progression after you hit 80, get exotic gear and doing the meaningless WvW for hours and hours.

    Not saying I agree with the guy that it is not an MMORPG, what I am saying is that it is quite a light MMORPG in the sense that there isn't much to do at endgame worth doing. Which is true for almost all ThemeParks.

    I agree with you, except for the stopping bit. It is your personal opinion that it lacks motivation beyond level 80... and my personal opinion is that it doesn't. And in this perspective we are BOTH right. (shocking I know). "Personal opinions" are much more valuable than "facts" in showbiz, trust me. No one gives a sh*** how "objectively good" a movie is - because there is no such thing as pure "objectivity" in art. None whatsoever, EXCEPT in purely technical terms such as which effing genre or form this piece belongs to.

    I'll be the first to yell that GW2 at the moment lacks something in player-motivation department, and on a more fundamental level than "what to do beyond 80". Check my post history and you'll see. Imo, the biggest problem GW2 has right now is the lack of specific rewards for specific accomplishments, and that by ditching the old ingenious GW1 system and replacing it with shopping mall tokens and karma ANet did make a long-term mistake. Sadly, at the moment, GW2 offers only 2 main goals, and they are a) get to 80 and b) once you're 80 complete the map. And they are both the same for all players. Which is dull and non-RP, in my opinion. IMO players should be able to choose their "grand quests," some awesome thing that would take them through many adventures to accomplish. GW1 had that down pat with skill hunting and imo GW2 dropped the ball with trying to be "more accessible" (incidentally the same happened with late addition of "heart quests" which no one really likes.)

    But again, these are my opinions based on my experiences in GW2 and my gaming and RL history asa whole. We can argue about this and have fun while doing so. Flat statements "this is not a mmorpg because I don't "feel the magic" simply don't factor in any mature discussion.

  • bunnyhopperbunnyhopper LondonPosts: 2,751Member

    I think I gave it about an 8 or 9 as a themepark/short term game and a 4 as an mmorpg/longer term game.

     

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/365985/Oh-look-another-amateur-rambling-opinion-piece.html

     

    Think that's about right, but I didn't write my review until I had experienced endgame anway.

    "Come and have a look at what you could have won."

  • bunnyhopperbunnyhopper LondonPosts: 2,751Member
    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by khamul787
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Banquetto

     


    Originally posted by grimal


     

     

    [mod edit]

    Ticking off daily events or collecting titles is hardly "role playing".

     

    "Oh look I killed 500 skritt and got a title I must be RP'ing!!".

     

    The gear grind has been replaced by a skin/title grind. Doesn't sound like a big break from the "Wow-rot" quite frankly.

    "Come and have a look at what you could have won."

  • roo67roo67 londonPosts: 402Member

    Yeah along with the majority it seams I would stand by my rating .

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