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BadSpock's Hitting Bottom: A Re-Review

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  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,306Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Pivotelite
    Originally posted by Zylaxx

    I respect your opinions Spock but I dont agree with most of them.  I am of the opinion that there is a certain segment of people out there that are just "burnt" out of MMO's and I would say you elicit strong indicators of such.  Contrary to what the Trolls & Haters have said to the contrary.

     I can assure you none of my guildies are burnt out on MMOs, there's just nothing left to do in GW2 after a short period of time for any non-casual players, and coming from TERA, obviously none of us are casual.

     

    Were not burnt out of MMOs, were burnt out on content, because there's not much MMO content, themeparks continue to provide less and less MMO content and more FPS/Minigame solo non-social carrot-free casualized progressionless carebear nonsense.

    i'd really love for you to show me a single themepark at release that offered as much content as GW2 offers right now.. i have played them all and GW2 has more unique things to do at launch than any themepark I can think of..

    Rift possibly had even more.  and it was the one recent game to not instance the whole frikin world.  we need more seamless game worlds.

    I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Pivotelite
    Originally posted by Zylaxx

    I respect your opinions Spock but I dont agree with most of them.  I am of the opinion that there is a certain segment of people out there that are just "burnt" out of MMO's and I would say you elicit strong indicators of such.  Contrary to what the Trolls & Haters have said to the contrary.

     I can assure you none of my guildies are burnt out on MMOs, there's just nothing left to do in GW2 after a short period of time for any non-casual players, and coming from TERA, obviously none of us are casual.

     

    Were not burnt out of MMOs, were burnt out on content, because there's not much MMO content, themeparks continue to provide less and less MMO content and more FPS/Minigame solo non-social carrot-free casualized progressionless carebear nonsense.

    i'd really love for you to show me a single themepark at release that offered as much content as GW2 offers right now.. i have played them all and GW2 has more unique things to do at launch than any themepark I can think of..

    Rift possibly had even more.  and it was the one recent game to not instance the whole frikin world.  we need more seamless game worlds.

    i played Rift for almost a year you can lay out feature for feature of rift and GW2 at launch Rift wasn't even close...

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • Bad.dogBad.dog Belleville, ONPosts: 1,108Member
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Pivotelite
    Originally posted by Zylaxx

    I respect your opinions Spock but I dont agree with most of them.  I am of the opinion that there is a certain segment of people out there that are just "burnt" out of MMO's and I would say you elicit strong indicators of such.  Contrary to what the Trolls & Haters have said to the contrary.

     I can assure you none of my guildies are burnt out on MMOs, there's just nothing left to do in GW2 after a short period of time for any non-casual players, and coming from TERA, obviously none of us are casual.

     

    Were not burnt out of MMOs, were burnt out on content, because there's not much MMO content, themeparks continue to provide less and less MMO content and more FPS/Minigame solo non-social carrot-free casualized progressionless carebear nonsense.

    i'd really love for you to show me a single themepark at release that offered as much content as GW2 offers right now.. i have played them all and GW2 has more unique things to do at launch than any themepark I can think of..

    Rift possibly had even more.  and it was the one recent game to not instance the whole frikin world.  we need more seamless game worlds.

    i played Rift for almost a year you can lay out feature for feature of rift and GW2 at launch Rift wasn't even close...

    I thought the main complaint about Rift was how small it was and how little different content it had ?

  • CecropiaCecropia Posts: 3,472Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Thupli

    Well, I'm going to say that I do like GW2, but that I feel bad for Badspock.  I hear your pain...

    I wouldn't feel too bad for him, this aint his first rodeo. For some on these forums it's the same bloody song and dance with every big release. It is predictable but also mildly entertaining. It just takes a little longer for some folks to see what others have already realized.

    No hard feelings Mr. Spock, but this does get a wee bit repetitive after awhile. Best of luck in your next adventure.

    "Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  • FoomerangFoomerang Portland, ORPosts: 5,565Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by muffins89 Originally posted by Aerowyn Originally posted by Pivotelite Originally posted by Zylaxx I respect your opinions Spock but I dont agree with most of them.  I am of the opinion that there is a certain segment of people out there that are just "burnt" out of MMO's and I would say you elicit strong indicators of such.  Contrary to what the Trolls & Haters have said to the contrary.
     I can assure you none of my guildies are burnt out on MMOs, there's just nothing left to do in GW2 after a short period of time for any non-casual players, and coming from TERA, obviously none of us are casual.   Were not burnt out of MMOs, were burnt out on content, because there's not much MMO content, themeparks continue to provide less and less MMO content and more FPS/Minigame solo non-social carrot-free casualized progressionless carebear nonsense.
    i'd really love for you to show me a single themepark at release that offered as much content as GW2 offers right now.. i have played them all and GW2 has more unique things to do at launch than any themepark I can think of..
    Rift possibly had even more.  and it was the one recent game to not instance the whole frikin world.  we need more seamless game worlds.
    i played Rift for almost a year you can lay out feature for feature of rift and GW2 at launch Rift wasn't even close...

    In all fairness, SWTOR launched with more content than any mmo by far.
  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Pivotelite
    Originally posted by Zylaxx

    I respect your opinions Spock but I dont agree with most of them.  I am of the opinion that there is a certain segment of people out there that are just "burnt" out of MMO's and I would say you elicit strong indicators of such.  Contrary to what the Trolls & Haters have said to the contrary.

     I can assure you none of my guildies are burnt out on MMOs, there's just nothing left to do in GW2 after a short period of time for any non-casual players, and coming from TERA, obviously none of us are casual.

     

    Were not burnt out of MMOs, were burnt out on content, because there's not much MMO content, themeparks continue to provide less and less MMO content and more FPS/Minigame solo non-social carrot-free casualized progressionless carebear nonsense.

    i'd really love for you to show me a single themepark at release that offered as much content as GW2 offers right now.. i have played them all and GW2 has more unique things to do at launch than any themepark I can think of..

    Rift possibly had even more.  and it was the one recent game to not instance the whole frikin world.  we need more seamless game worlds.

    i played Rift for almost a year you can lay out feature for feature of rift and GW2 at launch Rift wasn't even close...

    Lists! We needs to see the list comparing the 2 theampark games of there theampark features! 6 Flags vs Disney! Hershey Park vs Dorny Park!

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  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Pivotelite
    Originally posted by Zylaxx

    I respect your opinions Spock but I dont agree with most of them.  I am of the opinion that there is a certain segment of people out there that are just "burnt" out of MMO's and I would say you elicit strong indicators of such.  Contrary to what the Trolls & Haters have said to the contrary.

     I can assure you none of my guildies are burnt out on MMOs, there's just nothing left to do in GW2 after a short period of time for any non-casual players, and coming from TERA, obviously none of us are casual.

     

    Were not burnt out of MMOs, were burnt out on content, because there's not much MMO content, themeparks continue to provide less and less MMO content and more FPS/Minigame solo non-social carrot-free casualized progressionless carebear nonsense.

    i'd really love for you to show me a single themepark at release that offered as much content as GW2 offers right now.. i have played them all and GW2 has more unique things to do at launch than any themepark I can think of..

    Rift possibly had even more.  and it was the one recent game to not instance the whole frikin world.  we need more seamless game worlds.

    i played Rift for almost a year you can lay out feature for feature of rift and GW2 at launch Rift wasn't even close...

    Lists! We needs to see the list comparing the 2 theampark games of there theampark features! 6 Flags vs Disney! Hershey Park vs Dorny Park!

    lol well just the PVE feature list on GW2 trumps Rifts at launch with GW2s multiple branching stories the HUGE cities GW2 offers and the much larger zone size and variety.. anyone who played both games can easily see this.. again doesn't really matter if you hate all the content in one game or the other I just find it funny people who dislike said content in any type of game dismiss the content completely just because they don't find it personally interesting ot them

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,306Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Pivotelite
    Originally posted by Zylaxx

    I respect your opinions Spock but I dont agree with most of them.  I am of the opinion that there is a certain segment of people out there that are just "burnt" out of MMO's and I would say you elicit strong indicators of such.  Contrary to what the Trolls & Haters have said to the contrary.

     I can assure you none of my guildies are burnt out on MMOs, there's just nothing left to do in GW2 after a short period of time for any non-casual players, and coming from TERA, obviously none of us are casual.

     

    Were not burnt out of MMOs, were burnt out on content, because there's not much MMO content, themeparks continue to provide less and less MMO content and more FPS/Minigame solo non-social carrot-free casualized progressionless carebear nonsense.

    i'd really love for you to show me a single themepark at release that offered as much content as GW2 offers right now.. i have played them all and GW2 has more unique things to do at launch than any themepark I can think of..

    Rift possibly had even more.  and it was the one recent game to not instance the whole frikin world.  we need more seamless game worlds.

    i played Rift for almost a year you can lay out feature for feature of rift and GW2 at launch Rift wasn't even close...

    Lists! We needs to see the list comparing the 2 theampark games of there theampark features! 6 Flags vs Disney! Hershey Park vs Dorny Park!

    just the PVE feature list on GW2 trumps Rifts at launch with GW2s multiple branching stories the HUGE cities GW2 offers and the much larger zone size and variety.. anyone who played both games can easily see this.. again doesn't really matter if you hate all the content in one game or the other I just find it funny people who dislike said content in any type of game dismiss the content completely just because they don't find it personally interesting ot them

    gw2's content is just fine.  dont say i hate something when you have no idea.  i think Rift had more  things to do than you realize.

    I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by muffins89

    just the PVE feature list on GW2 trumps Rifts at launch with GW2s multiple branching stories the HUGE cities GW2 offers and the much larger zone size and variety.. anyone who played both games can easily see this.. again doesn't really matter if you hate all the content in one game or the other I just find it funny people who dislike said content in any type of game dismiss the content completely just because they don't find it personally interesting ot them

    gw2's content is just fine.  dont say i hate something when you have no idea.  i think Rift had more  things to do than you realize.

    the hate comment wasn't directed at you.. and again if you could list all those things to do in Rift at launch i'd love to know as I played from launch till almost a year in. Gw2 at launch compared to Rift has more PVP options, more dungeon modes, larger world, much larger cities, way more story options, way more gear.. again not trying to say one game is better than another but just features side by side GW2 trumps most other themeparks when they launched in this regard 

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • halflife25halflife25 Toronto, ONPosts: 737Member
    Originally posted by darkhalf357x
    Originally posted by halflife25
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by Kuro1n
    I find it funny that when I said this game would not be as awesome as people thought and then posted that the game was lacking certain things people reported me and flamed me while my posts got removed by moderators but now its okay to go around saying those things. Gotta love the hype train. So guys whats the next thing I cant talk about? :)

    An over the top fan who slated anyone who actually had issue with the same things he is having issue with about the game. When many were saying these things they were trolls or told we were playing it wrong. IMO the OP is just looking for a dignified  exit out after now realizing he went completely over board with hype.

    He says it's still a great game, if that's the case why is he not playing the great game.

     

    If i though a game was great i would keep playing that game. The fact is he knows it's not a great game but wants to save face, that's understandable though.

    Well to be very honest i got flamed by OP several times just to bring out short comings about the game. I remember him telling people that 'negativity is bad' and how these people should simply go away. i pleaded him to differentiate between negativity just for the sake of it and negativity backed by constructive criticism and  real concerns. But i was quite a wasted effort because he just refused to listen.

    Irony here is that all the people OP labeled as haters and trolls back then had sentimients which mirrored exactly his own post. Only difference is that it took him two months to realise this while others said same thing after few weeks of release.

    Kind of makes the terms hater and hype idiotic doesn't it?  Everybody has opinions and they tend to change.  Just because you like a game when you first get it doesn't mean you HAVE to love the game after you play it.  To BadSpock's point he isn't looking for a dignified way out.  Thats something you made up in your head.   He was simply stating (very well) why he feels GW2 is no LONGER for him.  He enjoyed what he played but its not providing anything to keep him.

    Why is that so hard to understand or accept?

    Stop with the labels.  We are all gamers.  We have different opinions.  Some more logical than others.  For every game that comes out you will have people who will absolutely love it and those who will absolutely loathe it.  Therefore everything will always be hyped and hated and interchanged between the two.

    I simply enjoy hearing other people's opinions on the games I play.  Hate it or love it.  Its all the same to me.

    Excuse me but  are you  referring to me or spock with this reply? i think my post was self explanatory.  And you completely missed the point if you think if my post was trying to imply that he can not dislike the game he once used to like.

    Ofcourse he can, don't be silly. But there is difference between enjoying something you like and openly flaming and mocking people who had similar feelings after first couple of weeks. 

    How would OP feel he was flamed simply for expressing his opinion? that is exactly what others were trying to do and did not deserve  the flames and insults.

    This is why i never go overboard with my love for any MMO and i never ever flame people for simply expressing their dislike for it. However, if they try to twist facts i do try to correct them. because i know that later down the line if i change my mind and get bored and decide to make a topic about it, people will just call me a hypocrite. I don't want a egg on my face.

  • muffins89muffins89 Yakima, WAPosts: 1,306Member Uncommon

    Rift

    -quests

    -rifts

    -artifacts

    -story quest from 1-50

    -raid

    -zone events

    -dungeons (reg and hard mode)

    -monthy world events

    -crafting

    -battlegrounds

    -owpvp

    -puzzles

    -achievements

    -incentives to explore

     

     

    I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by muffins89

    Rift

    -quests

    -rifts

    -artifacts

    -story quest from 1-50

    -raid

    -zone events

    -dungeons (reg and hard mode)

    -monthy world events

    -crafting

    -battlegrounds

    -owpvp

    -puzzles

    -achievements

    -incentives to explore

     

     

    monthly world events, raid and owpvp are only things GW2 doesn't offer but everything else GW2 offers and has a lot more of..   doesn't really matter a game could have a million times more content than another game if you don't like the content the game with more has doesn't mean it has less just less you find fun and interesting.. that's the issue I see a lot for example GW2 has a TON of branching and differn't stories for each race but since some people don't like the story or VO they discount this whole part of the game like it doesn't exist.

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • ZeroxinZeroxin LondonPosts: 2,521Member Uncommon
    I'm having too much fun in pvp so no qualms with that but when it comes to PvE, particularly the personal story, I really wish they'd stuck close to GW1. The dungeons need a more of that sense of danger when it comes to bosses where if anyone dies, it gets harder from there because you are down one man. Without that, it just feels like zerging.

    This is not a game.

  • cdesteycdestey Bethlehem, GAPosts: 70Member

    Wait. Google is cheating?

    I'm so embarassed...

  • CecropiaCecropia Posts: 3,472Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by halflife25

    Excuse me but  are you  referring to me or spock with this reply? i think my post was self explanatory.  And you completely missed the point if you think if my post was trying to imply that he can not dislike the game he once used to like.

    Ofcourse he can, don't be silly. But there is difference between enjoying something you like and openly flaming and mocking people who had similar feelings after first couple of weeks. 

    How would OP feel he was flamed simply for expressing his opinion? that is exactly what others were trying to do and did not deserve  the flames and insults.

    This is why i never go overboard with my love for any MMO and i never ever flame people for simply expressing their dislike for it. However, if they try to twist facts i do try to correct them. because i know that later down the line if i change my mind and get bored and decide to make a topic about it, people will just call me a hypocrite. I don't want a egg on my face.

    You might be too logical for this thread let alone these forums.

    After observing the kind of behaviour you describe (in red) time and time again (it's often the same members that are guilty), I've just accepted that that's the way they are; they do not seem to learn from past experience for whatever reason. It's like ramming your head into a wall every day and then asking why do I always have this headache. 

    Odd as it is, I doubt much will change throughout the next round of big releases. It can get rather tedious though.

    "Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by muffins89

    Rift

    -quests

    -rifts

    -artifacts

    -story quest from 1-50

    -raid

    -zone events

    -dungeons (reg and hard mode)

    -monthy world events

    -crafting

    -battlegrounds

    -owpvp

    -puzzles

    -achievements

    -incentives to explore

     

     

    monthly world events, raid and owpvp are only things GW2 doesn't offer but everything else GW2 offers and has a lot more of..   doesn't really matter a game could have a million times more content than another game if you don't like the content the game with more has doesn't mean it has less just less you find fun and interesting.. that's the issue I see a lot for example GW2 has a TON of branching and differn't stories for each race but since some people don't like the story or VO they discount this whole part of the game like it doesn't exist.

    In the end it doesnt matter. Arguing over what theampark has the best featuer is like comparing what theampark has the best corndog. They both have corndogs but ones cornier then the other.

     

    Quests - corndog

    Crafting- soda

    Achiements- Prizes

    Raids/Dungeons - Rides

    etc.

    etc.

    etc.

     

    Now all that matters is what theampark you want to visit today.

     

     

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  • ZylaxxZylaxx Erlanger, KYPosts: 2,574Member
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by Dim_sum

    You're not burnt out old bean, it's just not a very good game. 

    Looks pretty, plays well, essentially soulless.

    I want a carrot too, don't be ashamed. Loot is awesome. Getting cool shit is fun.

    Cosmetics are not fun.

     

    Dynamic events have been lauded as some kind of great evolution in gameplay.

    They are not. Because their inevitable cycling is contradictory.

     

    Rejection of trinity heralded as a revolution in player dynamics.

    It is not, because homogeneity is not preferential to diversification.

     

    It does some stuff well obviously. And they sold it well enough. But it's all a bit tedious.  Also personal stories suck balls.

    i agree totally. Its not a great game at all. Many people were  overhyped about it like Warhammer and Darkfall was. The OP was a major fanboy defender on this forum. the critics tried to warn those like you. but cant really blame a fan for being blind to reality of issues. thats what fans do.

     

    I  can only imagine what all those banned people from Guildwars2guru who were banned for saying anything bad about the game, have to say now.

    reality is sinking in hard.

     

    I wasnt disapointed in GW2, because I wasnt hyped, I could see past the  Developer's marketing tactics and clever use of words to hype up people. So i saw it for what it really was. nothing but an alt MMO. I knew  people would get bored of Events, because its the same concept from Rift, which also had people excited about them at first, but  got  boring after awhile.

    what gets at me is that people, even the same people, will get hyped up like this for the next big hyped up MMO that comes to public eye and be  disapointed once again once the clever marketing tactics fade off.

    And yet these same people will continue to bad mouth the critics and call them Trolls, and try to get them banned from the forum, for trying to set reality back into the public's eyes.

    Might be bad for you but the game is amazing for alot.  Just because it doesnt "float your boat" doesnt give you any right to say the game is bad.  The game is still continuing to grow, it still remains in the top 10 in PC sales and its 2 months old.  Dont let your precious narrative fool you or it makes you look bad.

    Everything you need to know about Elder Scrolls Online

    Playing: GW2
    Waiting on: TESO
    Next Flop: Planetside 2
    Best MMO of all time: Asheron's Call - The first company to recreate AC will be the next greatest MMO.

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  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
     

    In the end it doesnt matter. Arguing over what theampark has the best featuer is like comparing what theampark has the best corndog. They both have corndogs but ones cornier then the other.

     

    Quests - corndog

    Crafting- soda

    Achiements- Prizes

    Raids/Dungeons - Rides

    etc.

    etc.

    etc.

     

    Now all that matters is what theampark you want to visit today.

     

     

    this is true:)

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by Zylaxx
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by Dim_sum

    You're not burnt out old bean, it's just not a very good game. 

    Looks pretty, plays well, essentially soulless.

    I want a carrot too, don't be ashamed. Loot is awesome. Getting cool shit is fun.

    Cosmetics are not fun.

     

    Dynamic events have been lauded as some kind of great evolution in gameplay.

    They are not. Because their inevitable cycling is contradictory.

     

    Rejection of trinity heralded as a revolution in player dynamics.

    It is not, because homogeneity is not preferential to diversification.

     

    It does some stuff well obviously. And they sold it well enough. But it's all a bit tedious.  Also personal stories suck balls.

    i agree totally. Its not a great game at all. Many people were  overhyped about it like Warhammer and Darkfall was. The OP was a major fanboy defender on this forum. the critics tried to warn those like you. but cant really blame a fan for being blind to reality of issues. thats what fans do.

     

    I  can only imagine what all those banned people from Guildwars2guru who were banned for saying anything bad about the game, have to say now.

    reality is sinking in hard.

     

    I wasnt disapointed in GW2, because I wasnt hyped, I could see past the  Developer's marketing tactics and clever use of words to hype up people. So i saw it for what it really was. nothing but an alt MMO. I knew  people would get bored of Events, because its the same concept from Rift, which also had people excited about them at first, but  got  boring after awhile.

    what gets at me is that people, even the same people, will get hyped up like this for the next big hyped up MMO that comes to public eye and be  disapointed once again once the clever marketing tactics fade off.

    And yet these same people will continue to bad mouth the critics and call them Trolls, and try to get them banned from the forum, for trying to set reality back into the public's eyes.

    Might be bad for you but the game is amazing for alot.  Just because it doesnt "float your boat" doesnt give you any right to say the game is bad.  The game is still continuing to grow, it still remains in the top 10 in PC sales and its 2 months old.  Dont let your precious narrative fool you or it makes you look bad.

    Most certinly does give him the right. Its his opinion.

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  • rungardrungard st. john''s, NFPosts: 1,035Member
    Originally posted by BadSpock

    First off - want to say that I still think GW2 is a great game for what it is - the quality is high, the fun is worth the price of admission, and I still stand by my original review/op-ed that GW2 is an amazing game.

    But I'm just not sure it's for me.

    Longevity was always my biggest concern with GW2 - and I've hit that slump.

    I know I'll be back, probably often as the business model is perfect for me - the "modern" MMO gamer who hops from game to game and can't stay interested in one thing for too long.

    But i've just hit a wall.

    -My main is level 77 or 78, and I've been seriously let down.

    -Finally did a big dragon fight, Taquatl the Sunless - complete and total failure. Extremely disappointing. Right now it’s pretty much attack dragon -> get feared out of place -> run back and continue spamming.

    -Finally got into Orr, 70-75 zone anyways. Extremely disappointing. What I thought/hoped would be a PvE battleground type experience (PvE WvW) is actually in fact just Zerg Merry-Go-Round.

    Hop on the train, ride along the zerg from point A to B to C back to A again.

    -Halloween event has thus far been extremely disappointing. Candy corn? Who cares, sell it all in TP. Costumes? Don't care. Costume brawl? Not even fun - randomly kicking around LA by Mystic Forge.

    Couldn't figure out how to make the damn scanner work / figure it out - not going to cheat and google it. Pointless.

    -WvW I have very little interest in. So many complaints of zergs, bugs/broken, lack of any real reason to care, and long wait times.

    -sPvP I have very little interest in. Rewards / prestige don't match input. I get a lot of fun out of progression in PvP like in CoD or BF3 or Halo games, haven't found any reason to care about winning/losing in sPvP yet.

    -Lost pretty much all interest in crafting, lost all interest in zone completion and grinding Hearts.

    -I've run a handful of story mode and explorable mode dungeons. Where are the rewards? Where is the loot? Couple of shitty blues? 10-15 minute corpse hopping bosses? There is no skill/strategy there. And what's it all for, some cool looking cosmetic rewards (and the 10% stat bonus of Exotics?)

    -Personal story is a bit of a miss. These "epic" events in the Vigil line are anything but. Apparently a "massive undead siege of Orrians" is 10-15 mobs. The scale and sense of epicness is just pathetic. Limitation of the MMO genre I suppose.

    I still get some fun out of toying around with other classes (like right now a Mesmer) but I know if I play for too long I'm going to hit that wall and get bored again in like an hour.

    Where's the "dynamic" in the dynamic events?

    Where's the point of sPvP / WvW? I get a much better sense of achievement playing Halo or back in UO Factions where taking control of a city/town actually felt like it mattered.

    Where is the feeling of accomplishment for doing a great job in a run? It's made me realize I really do miss the Trinity - I hate to say it, but I do. I've always been a Tank/Healer - and I've always strived to be a damn good one too. That was my main feeling of accomplishment beyond just the gear rewards and stat progression - knowing I was good at my job.

    Now don't get me wrong - GW2 does some things absolutely great.

    1. The combat is fun and exciting, for a while, but the limited skills per Weapon contibutes to getting bored fast. Cooldowns are too long, spend too much time auto-attacking and waiting for cooldowns or being forced to switch to your second set.

    I've also grown frustrated for how weak I feel. The pace of combat was so much better at earlier levels. I had this problem MAJOR bad with TOR - fights just take too long for no reason. It doesn't make me feel like a "hero" when I can't cut through swaths of baddies with ease.

    Sure, I like having elite/champion/veteran mobs that take a bit of effort to kill. That's fun. But I don't like feeling like I'm hitting with a wet noodle against normal mobs. TOR made this mistake BIG time, and the only MMO where I never felt this way - is WoW.

    And yes, I've tried about 6 different trait combinations, weapon combos, etc. On my Guardian at level 77/78 using level 75 Rare weapons, even with the supposed "OP" Greatsword and then Sword/Torch combo. Yes I'm fully Runed 6/6 set w/ Weapon runes, all gear is 75+ blue/green/rare.

    The utility skills feel weak. Great for situational help, but I have yet to press ANY button in any class at any level in GW2 where I felt like "Wow, I love this ability it is so freaking cool and awesome."

    2. Quality of life features like "Send to Collections" is great. Trading Post from anywhere is superb. No competition for harvesting nodes is splendid. Overflow servers is freak'n brilliant. Dye system and "dye anything anywhere" is amazing. Not quite as great as it'd be with an appearance tab, but the Dye system is awesome.

    3. No kill stealing, everyone gets loot, never a bad idea to help another player, cross-profession combos with anyone outside of grouping etc. is awesome and a huge, huge step forward in PvE.

     

    I guess, as sad as it is at the end of the day... I need the carrot. The gameplay is just not sufficiently fun enough to keep me interested without the carrot to chase.

    I need the Trinity, I need to have a role I am good at.

    I think I'm about done with the MMORPG genre to be honest. I have a feeling I am never going to find a single game I am going to play for months and years on end without breaks.

    Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm just like the rest. I will probably end up like the rest bouncing from game to game, new release to new release like an addict chasing the next fix.

    The dream of "the game to stick with" is gone for me.

    I've hit MMORPG rock bottom.

    This is BadSpock, signing off...

     No spock. There is another. 

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  • ZylaxxZylaxx Erlanger, KYPosts: 2,574Member
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Zylaxx
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Pivotelite
    Originally posted by Zylaxx

    I respect your opinions Spock but I dont agree with most of them.  I am of the opinion that there is a certain segment of people out there that are just "burnt" out of MMO's and I would say you elicit strong indicators of such.  Contrary to what the Trolls & Haters have said to the contrary.

     I can assure you none of my guildies are burnt out on MMOs, there's just nothing left to do in GW2 after a short period of time for any non-casual players, and coming from TERA, obviously none of us are casual.

     

    Were not burnt out of MMOs, were burnt out on content, because there's not much MMO content, themeparks continue to provide less and less MMO content and more FPS/Minigame solo non-social carrot-free casualized progressionless carebear nonsense.

    i'd really love for you to show me a single themepark at release that offered as much content as GW2 offers right now.. i have played them all and GW2 has more unique things to do at launch than any themepark I can think of..

    Exactly 100% correct.

     

     

    The thing is the majority of these negative comments are about the lack of item progression.  Which of course GW2 doesnt have, but that was known 2 years ago.

     

     

    This doesnt deny the fact that GW2 caters to a much larger segment of the gaming community then one would imagine and it is branded as proof as the game is still continuing to grow.  The real only negativity comes from people who think purplez and organized raids is the only form of endgame worth mentioning.

    Not for nothing but i would like to know how you can state this as a fact. You would have to have evidence to support player retention and you just cant do that with a b2p game.

     

    Others have sited sources to the contrary that the population is in decline. Box sales dont tell the whole story. And cant use the " The lowbie zones are packed!" argument. thats proves nothing.

     

    Would have to take into consideration alts and the low lvl zones on other servers ( that others say are ghost towns). Now you could site the addition of new severs as groth but thats just an observation, not factual evidence.

     

    Rift was in decline 2 months after release but added new severs to handle the load of que times (launch severs were inadequate). Once those new severs were added it thined out severs and as time passed you saw the amount of mid and low pop severs grew fast.

     

    You would have to point to something concrete to prove your fact that the game is growing.

     

    NOTE: Im not saying the game is in a decline. would just like to see evidence to show fact.

    If I cant give box sales as proof then you start from a position that automatically dismisses your wanting proof.  Since box sales, Queue times, and server load are the only things to show it is growing but every one of those get shot down as a untrue source.  Totally unfair and agenda driven.

     

    In fact I could care less if anyone hates the game and posts "their" feelings. but when people like spock who has a great rep here starts spouting off biased and personal preferences as fact then I have a problem.  Doubly more so that it brings every single hater and troll out to try and prove how they were correct all along.

     

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    There, 3 forms of proof, whether you like it or not.  Every single server is high, Kaineng which has long been one of the only few med populated servers turned high as of a few days ago.  GW2 is still #6 on Amazon and the only MMO still in the top 10.  And I think its safe to assume the majority of sales do not come from Amazon, and it is very easy to extrapolate out to other venues.  Also my guild of 87 people have yet to lose one single player.  I could go on and on but your narrative would still be the game is dieing and is in decline, or the game is horrible.

     

    WHAT MORE PROOF YOU NEED.

     

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  • DAOWAceDAOWAce Flanders, NJPosts: 139Member Uncommon

    The extremely rough start of GW2 ruined the game for me.  Mismatched server opening times cost me the alias I've been using in games for the last 5 years and had been preparing months for (I had it in all the betas).  GW1 didn't allow this because it was a first/last name system, was stoked to hear we could use single word names.

    I pre-purchased for $60 day 1 of it being available. A month or two later, the ends up going on many sales on many sites for $45 while the digital deluxe edition fell to the standard edition price.  NCSoft refused to credit me $15 or give me a free deluxe upgrade; didn't want my account disabled due to a full refund. (They never explained the account disabling details with clarity either despite my 10+ support messages requesting a better explanation.)

    As for the game, by the time I got to 40 I just felt like things weren't enjoyable anymore.  I wanted to play a Norn, but the VOs were awful for most of the characters (and the Norn men looked extremely obese; even the slimmest model had unncessary body mass, especially when wearing armor).  Wanted to play a Sylvari but had no name for her due to the server opening issue, and the main name I've used for my female character in games was blocked in GW2 for some reason.

     

    Basically, the loss of things and wanting of things coupled with the horrible server issuess (severe lag, disconnections, TP broken for weeks) caused me to stop enjoying the game and eventually quit.  I have no motivation to even do the halloween events.

     

    The game was rushed out the door for profits at the expense of enjoyment.  It needed a few more months of work prior to release, not fixing after release.  I and many of the people waiting for the game expected it in November at the earliest.

    I am very disappointed with ArenaNet, or NCSoft; whoever made the decision to release.

     

    FWIW, I've played Guild Wars on and off for 7 years; I can still find enjoyment when I logon today, yet GW2 is already essentially dead to me.  Maybe I will return with the next expansion, but usually when I stop playing MMORPGs, I don't start them up again.  Good thing there's no monthly fee, right?  *sigh*

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,221Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by darkhalf357x

    Kind of makes the terms hater and hype idiotic doesn't it?  Everybody has opinions and they tend to change.  Just because you like a game when you first get it doesn't mean you HAVE to love the game after you play it.  To BadSpock's point he isn't looking for a dignified way out.  Thats something you made up in your head.   He was simply stating (very well) why he feels GW2 is no LONGER for him.  He enjoyed what he played but its not providing anything to keep him.

    Why is that so hard to understand or accept?

    Stop with the labels.  We are all gamers.  We have different opinions.  Some more logical than others.  For every game that comes out you will have people who will absolutely love it and those who will absolutely loathe it.  Therefore everything will always be hyped and hated and interchanged between the two.

    I simply enjoy hearing other people's opinions on the games I play.  Hate it or love it.  Its all the same to me.

    good post and very much agreed.. only thing I have hard time wraping my head around is people who don't like a game don't play it, don't want to discuss it but just come to bash it at every chance they get.. any thread with a tiny bit of negativity they pounce on it .. it happens with every single MMO.. there are splenty of just want to discuss issues they dislike but when someone claims this game blows or is the worst game MMO they ever played then continue to visit these forums all the time.. i dunno

    I do agree with Dark's statement on this. Something can be good or even great. But it doesn't mean you keep experienceing it. I've read my favorite book (Ender's Game) twice I will always think back on that book as one of the best storeies ever. But I don't need to read it again.

    Aerowyn, people feel mislead. You can pull the "do you homework" card all day. I can think of several threads by Badspock in the past where he polled, questioned, posted up a storm to get info on GW2. Maybe it wasn't entirely objective, but he did his homework. But for some, thye felt mislead and are upset about it. It's called backlash. The bigger the hype train, the harder the backlash. You just  have to accept that. And yes, I do feel GW2 was mismarketed to a much larger demographic than it should have been.

    That's not being mislead though.  Being mislead is being told one thing and delivered another.  That didn't happen here.  What happened here is call being foolish and creating unrealistic expectations (they hype train) and then expressing deflation once you come to the realization that the self-invented expecations weren't real.  In this case it's a problem with the OP and those like him.  Remember TOR?

    EQN and TESO are on the horizon with the new buzzwords of the moment: "sandbox" and "3 faction rvr".  They will also use clever and amorphous adjectives like "meaningful pvp" to describe the game.  We're even seeing that with Storm Legion despite the fact that Trion has nearly pulled an NGE with class and combat mechanics - SL and RIFT is being hailed as metaphorically huge.  There is a loud portion of our community that are junky gamers looking for a fix.  Unfortunately a lot of the site writing and articles promotes this self-defeating thinking.

    edit: You only need to look in this very thread for people with their EQN sigs and vague allusions to the "next great thing".  Until this is nipped. We'll continue to see this cycle repeated ad naseum.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,596Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by darkhalf357x

    Kind of makes the terms hater and hype idiotic doesn't it?  Everybody has opinions and they tend to change.  Just because you like a game when you first get it doesn't mean you HAVE to love the game after you play it.  To BadSpock's point he isn't looking for a dignified way out.  Thats something you made up in your head.   He was simply stating (very well) why he feels GW2 is no LONGER for him.  He enjoyed what he played but its not providing anything to keep him.

    Why is that so hard to understand or accept?

    Stop with the labels.  We are all gamers.  We have different opinions.  Some more logical than others.  For every game that comes out you will have people who will absolutely love it and those who will absolutely loathe it.  Therefore everything will always be hyped and hated and interchanged between the two.

    I simply enjoy hearing other people's opinions on the games I play.  Hate it or love it.  Its all the same to me.

    good post and very much agreed.. only thing I have hard time wraping my head around is people who don't like a game don't play it, don't want to discuss it but just come to bash it at every chance they get.. any thread with a tiny bit of negativity they pounce on it .. it happens with every single MMO.. there are splenty of just want to discuss issues they dislike but when someone claims this game blows or is the worst game MMO they ever played then continue to visit these forums all the time.. i dunno

    I do agree with Dark's statement on this. Something can be good or even great. But it doesn't mean you keep experienceing it. I've read my favorite book (Ender's Game) twice I will always think back on that book as one of the best storeies ever. But I don't need to read it again.

    Aerowyn, people feel mislead. You can pull the "do you homework" card all day. I can think of several threads by Badspock in the past where he polled, questioned, posted up a storm to get info on GW2. Maybe it wasn't entirely objective, but he did his homework. But for some, thye felt mislead and are upset about it. It's called backlash. The bigger the hype train, the harder the backlash. You just  have to accept that. And yes, I do feel GW2 was mismarketed to a much larger demographic than it should have been.

    That's not being mislead though.  Being mislead is being told one thing and delivered another.  That didn't happen here.  What happened here is call being foolish and creating unrealistic expectations (they hype train) and then expressing deflation once you come to the realization that the self-invented expecations weren't real.  In this case it's a problem with the OP and those like him.  Remember TOR?

    EQN and TESO are on the horizon with the new buzzwords of the moment: "sandbox" and "3 faction rvr".  They will also use clever and amorphous adjectives like "meaningful pvp" to describe the game.  We're even seeing that with Storm Legion despite the fact that Trion has nearly pulled an NGE with class and combat mechanics - SL and RIFT is being hailed as metaphorically huge.  There is a loud portion of our community that are junky gamers looking for a fix.  Unfortunately a lot of the site writing and articles promotes this self-defeating thinking.

    edit: You only need to look in this very thread for people with their EQN sigs and vague allusions to the "next great thing".  Until this is nipped. We'll continue to see this cycle repeated ad naseum.

    Oh? 

    “We’re in it to win it this time,” said O’Brien. “We were number two to World of Warcraft with Guild Wars, now we want to beat them. We’ll be satisfied when the Guild Wars 2 is the most successful MMO. I think we have something unique here and players are going to see it and understand why dynamic events are a way better content model than people have experienced before in online worlds. Word-of-mouth will get people to understand that we really are doing something new and different. The sky’s the limit once this game is out. Online worlds have a networking effect. People will bring friends to Guild Wars 2. We hope all the people who play the beta weekend will tell their friends about it.”

    GW2 went after the WoW market with a game that was not designed to appeal to the WoW player.

    Mislead!

     

  • xAPOCxxAPOCx Vineland, NJPosts: 869Member
    Originally posted by Zylaxx

    If I cant give box sales as proof then you start from a position that automatically dismisses your wanting proof.  Since box sales, Queue times, and server load are the only things to show it is growing but every one of those get shot down as a untrue source.  Totally unfair and agenda driven.

     

    In fact I could care less if anyone hates the game and posts "their" feelings. but when people like spock who has a great rep here starts spouting off biased and personal preferences as fact then I have a problem.  Doubly more so that it brings every single hater and troll out to try and prove how they were correct all along.

     

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    There, 3 forms of proof, whether you like it or not.  Every single server is high, Kaineng which has long been one of the only few med populated servers turned high as of a few days ago.  GW2 is still #6 on Amazon and the only MMO still in the top 10.  And I think its safe to assume the majority of sales do not come from Amazon, and it is very easy to extrapolate out to other venues.  Also my guild of 87 people have yet to lose one single player.  I could go on and on but your narrative would still be the game is dieing and is in decline, or the game is horrible.

     

    WHAT MORE PROOF YOU NEED.

     

    If your goin on box sales then WOW is still growing. We all know its not. My point is you made a factual statement without showing facts. Just opinion and observations. How can you guage player retention from box sales?

     

    You assume to much and come off very catty. No where did i say that the game was dieing and in decline.

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