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I look at it like this. If Square was able to make FFXI, why would you doubt that they would be able to re-build FFXIV and make it a much better game? I played the beta of FFXIV and was REALLY DISSAPOINTED...the game was TERRIBLE...worst MMO I ever played.
WIth that, Im very much so anticipating FFXIV. I think Square is a bit "butt-hurt" from being /facepalm'd for making such a bad game and are now determined to bring a much better product to the table. Im really hoping that this is a turning point for the Final Fantasy franchise as well, since that also has taken a nose dive recently.
Can't wait to see the product I hoped I was getting in the first place and have full confidence Square can give it.
Originally posted by MadnessRealm .... lots o details ... Beyond that I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for when you're talking about Gameplay. Most has been covered already through Live Letters and whatnot.
Yeah, I was aware of all the stuff you noted. I've watched those videos and read interviews many times over. The thing is, those are specific details they're explaining.
They haven't really shown much beyond running around as DRG (and always as DRG), riding a chocobo, jumping around an awful lot (an obvious reassuring nod to those who've been requesting it), and then riding up to the entrance to one of the dungeons. Along the way he one-shots a number of low-level mobs, which doesn't really demonstrate much of the combat at all.
So that's kind of my point.. they've explained an awful lot, but haven't shown very much beyond what we saw in those live vids and the brief glimpses from the trailers they've put out.
I've also seen a lot of very Tanaka-esque responses of "we can't go into detail about "x" yet, but please look forward to it later". Also, as someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, when he's been asked very direct questions about certain topics, he's given sorta round-about answers that gave some kind of tangential info, but didn't address the actual question. This concerns me because I would figure by now they'd have some more concrete information for systems that really should be well implemented into the game by now, with Alpha coming in the next month or so.
You mention the changes to how classes play. That's a great example. He's described only one class/job so far - Pugilist/MNK and even then, only in so far as explaining that it'll be all about chaining non-stop combos. What of THM/BLM, GLD/WAR, LNC/DRG, and so on? We know nothing about them.
They've given very limited and very specific details so far, and that's what concerns me, along with the lack of actual footage/demonstrations of more of these changes/additions. We've seen a lot of concept art which is great, except that it only shows a concept for something, not the actual implementation of it.
Believe me, I'm not bashing the game. I want it to succeed and I want it to do great. But, at the same time, I have to be cautious and not let myself get caught up in the hype (and my own "vision" of how the game would be) like I did last time. I made every excuse in the book for many of the complaints people had about Alpha and Beta for 1.0. Yes, I was one of those trying to reassure people that Tanaka said we're only seeing a small portion of the game for testing (he'd said Beta covered only 10% of the whole game), and that surely there would be much, much more upon launch. Only there wasn't.
I'm excited and hopeful about the game's future - but I'm tempering that optimism with caution and that hope with reality and still rather clear memories of what ultimately brought us to the game being rebuilt from the ground-up to begin with. As we get closer to "lights out" for 1.0, and still are getting such limited information, red flags are beginning to go up for me.
Originally posted by MadnessRealm Originally posted by dimmit77 I stopped reading at : "A Realm Reborn will feature a PC version and a PS3 version ... "
FFXI supported PC, Playstation 2 and Xbox 360 ... I don't see what the big deal is.
I despised the controls for the PC version, as it was nothing more than a bastardized version of the console game. I'm sick to death of companies who are too damn lazy to make seperate interfaces and control paradigms for the multiple platforms they claim to support.
Originally posted by Vorthanion Originally posted by MadnessRealm Originally posted by dimmit77 I stopped reading at : "A Realm Reborn will feature a PC version and a PS3 version ... "
It's been explained (again, not demonstrated yet) that there will be multiple control configurations. One specific to the PC which is in line with what a PC MMO gamer would be used to. There will be 2 (I believe) setups for console - one using the gamepad, another (presumably) using mouse and keyboard peripherals.
So, playing on a PC will feel more appropriate for PC. Playing on a Console will feel more appropriate for a console.
Originally posted by Vorthanion Originally posted by MadnessRealmI despised the controls for the PC version, as it was nothing more than a bastardized version of the console game. I'm sick to death of companies who are too damn lazy to make seperate interfaces and control paradigms for the multiple platforms they claim to support.
Remember to at least check to see if your complaints have been remedied before letting out your warcry.
Originally posted by adam_nox These are bold claims, but developing an engine and a client for PC only takes years, and add on top of that they would have also had to start from scratch on converting the PS3 version, it makes me very skeptical. Definitely going to hold them accountable to such claims.
They already have done this and have shown countless videos of it.... the PS3 UI is a world apart from the PC UI yet all operate Amazingly... its really incredible
Originally posted by TangentPoint We've gotten to see it grow from a tiny red speck in the sky, to its current form as a massive red, spiked sphere breaking through the world's atmosphere. Here's a great collage showing it in each stage..
That is awesome
You sure did gush a lot for a non biased column.
How much does one of these columns cost a company?
As someone else already mentioned, the game demos have provided virtually no information on the game. A dragoon runs around killing helpless creatures......woopee. How is that different than TSW, LOR, WoW, and so many other MMOs. The director has mentioned several times that WoW is what he is trying to make.
Lots of people will buy and play ARR when it is released. People will give it decent reviews and say it is an improvement over 1.0. Three months later no one will play the game or talk about it.
The games problems never stemmed from the game engine. Using a new one sounds crazy, that is a huge amount of time wasted getting the game to run on the new engine. A huge amount of work was needed but the had the core working, no wonder it has taken them ages to get to this stage.
The fatigue system was not a bad idea. Unfortunately any new ideas associated with a game that failed this badly are going to go to the wall. I hope someone try’s a new way of working such a system again.
Stab in the dark but it looks like they have dumbed down crafting.
The good news is they are still working on it, one day this will be a MMO to play, not sure we are there yet though.
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Originally posted by Blessings You sure did gush a lot for a non biased column. How much does one of these columns cost a company?
Just so you know, this isn't the Devil's Advocate for this week, and as far as I can remember when I wrote it, I did not mention that I was unbiased.
I like the Final Fantasy brand. At the same time, I will admit that I was disappointed by FFXIII and FFXIV. The information given so far for the game gives me hope, and the potential of a game like this to be a defining moment in MMO history makes me pause, because it can cost tons of jobs and change lives if it fails.
I am enthusiastic for the game based on its potential, but at the same time, I've played enough games to know that the potential for something to be good does not make it good unless I try it and make that distinction for myself, based on my personal opinion and my understanding of the situation.
The idea that I am some sort of paid shill is a hurtful insinutation on your part, and while I would defend your ability to say it on this forum if push came to shove, I will not stand by and accept your accusation. Frankly, as a fellow person on this planet, I am hurt by your words, and I honestly hope that you would actually consider the gravity of what you're saying to me or to anyone else in the future.
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Originally posted by victorbjr Originally posted by Blessings You sure did gush a lot for a non biased column. How much does one of these columns cost a company?
Well said. The rudeness of some of the posts on this website sometimes startles me. I should be used to it by now, but I don't think I ever will be. There is never any need for being rude, nor for bandying unsubstantiated claims about.
I particularly support your wish that the poster would actually consider the gravity of what they say in the future and its potential impact. Of course constructive criticism should always be welcome, but most posters seem to have no inkling of what that means.
In terms of your article itself: it was wellI written and informative, and I was interested enough to read it thoroughly and most of the responses which followed. I played FFIV for a time, and whilst loving the graphics and general look of the game, and the the fact that it was final fantasy (my first rpg was FFVII), the UI was clunky and non-intuitive, and somehow I just didn't take to the combat system. Your article makes me think again, and I may well take a look once the Reborn version is available.
Originally posted by Vesavius Originally posted by Giddian This Game is Past for Me. I don't want to rehash the past. you don't see people going back to VHS or 8-Tracks. It had its run. it's like them bringing back Myspace.... Not going anywhere. I had Fond memories of FFXI, Bad Memories of FFXIV, aqnd thats the way they should Stay. Memories. Move forward, not back. Enjoy Playing what makes you happy. Games Rarely make a Comeback. Now if they made it F2P, I MIGHT think about it.
What a confusing post lol...
All that effort to set up your manifesto of 'move forward always', and then you cap it all off by saying, 'well, unless they give me the client maybe'.
Which suggests to me that it isn't the fact that it is relaunching stopping you, despite what other noise you make, but rather the fact that you might have to shell out a little money to play.
You do realise that if you have the client already (which you seem to suggest you do) then it basically is free to look again?
Who knows, you might be even able to fix those 'bad memories' with new good ones! Cheaper then therapy anyhow
Free Client would make me Goof with it, Not Stay with it. I check out all Games that go from sub to F2P, Never worth staying with them though. but you are right, that makes my statement a Bit Confusing.
I'm not sure if this was mentioned in previous posts didn't read all 10 pages honestly. My initial reactions to the re-release of ffxiv was one of scepticism but now I'm not sure. The main reason I'm not sure is because of the recent nerfs to ffxi. They haven't taken effect yet but are planned for the near future. Some of them are very damaging to current gameplay strategies and almost make certain content near impossible or so incredibly difficult not many will want to participate or simply won't be able to.
So I can see many people deciding to move on towards anothergame. Most of them will look at ffxiv and if it is welcomed with a more positive outlook this go around I could see a lot of the players still holding onto ffxi making the jump to ffxiv.
When ffxiv first came out it wasn't well received by the ffxi community to say the least. Which honestly is filled with some of the most die-hard final fantasy fans around. So if they can get some of that market share people can begin transitioning to the new game and the more that make the jump will cause even more to follow suit.
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Originally posted by TangentPoint Originally posted by Vorthanion Originally posted by MadnessRealm Originally posted by dimmit77 I stopped reading at : "A Realm Reborn will feature a PC version and a PS3 version ... "
This was in regards to your FFXI comment, a game mind you that had a horrible PC interface and control mechanic. I know they "say" they will have an appropriate PC control scheme for the updated FFXIV, but I'll wait and see before I believe.
Off the thread topic but a question about the client. Someone gave me a collectors edition of the game. It is still sitting on the shelf in its original plastic wrapper. If they make the necessary improvements as they state they are, will I be able to use it to load up the game and get that first month it comes with to play?
Are they not wiping old characters?
I see the part about money being denominated, which leads me to believe they wont.
This is crucial to me returning. There were multiple exploits in game that not only leveled your classes stupid fast, but also your wallet.
If they are not wiping, im not coming back. Sorry! Doesn't matter if they take a zero off, going from a billion to a hundred million changes little
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