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BadSpock's Hitting Bottom: A Re-Review

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  • doodphacedoodphace Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,815Member
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal

    Finding GW2 boring after 1.5 months !=  MMO burnout.

     

    of course not but seeing the same people play every single themepark and getting bored after a month to me is themepark burnout.. i too crave a good sandbox hybrid but still find GW2 the best themepark out there

    this is true. have to keep in mide that were talking about theamparks. and the best one out is gw2. followed by rift. just my opinion mind you =)

    which shares mine:) find Rift the best p2p themepark out their but find GW2 a better game for me:)

    I just hate cash shops. I hate them. And, yes, I'm watching Rifts for anything even remotely suspiscious. When that happens, I will quit Rift too. Hopefully, it will stay the way it is. Nothing useable, consumable or wearable in game. It's bad enough they sell that dam mount skin. PFFT!  But for now, Rift is the best MMO for me that is available.

    so if Deeps’ Depot offers full blown cosmetic shop you would leave just for that? i dunno to me that concept just makes no sense to me.. how does it hurt your gaming experience in any way if others feel it worth it to spend some extra money on cosmetic items.. if the company is a good company like I feel Trion is and you can see them bringing out lots of new content I really don't see the issue.. now say they only released 2 patches a year and had this then i'd see a reason to get angry... i personally don't like CS in P2P games but won't leave a game because of it as long as it's not p2w

    GW2 has the most respectable cash shop I have seen yet. But only in terms of what's relative from one player to the next. I have said this before. I applaud ANET for being one of the only companies to not bullshit it's players and did not introduce some hidden P2W mechanics and some slippery wording to cover it up. (**CoughfuncomCough**) But I don not consider GW2's Cash Shop to be totally benign. The game's economy is all but nonexistant.

    Being able to buy boxing gloves and sunglasses undermines the whole concept of progression. It doesn't matter than there are no stats to it. It's in the game, you should have to do something to get it. And, yeah, I get that it's possible to make all items in the game also. But it's still a form of progression. It is something....anything, that get's players out there doing something in the game, then it's one more thing to keep you playing and or do with someone else. If I buy it in the shop, what's the point of playing the game?

    Umm...just want to point out, the biggest sub based MMO out there, WoW, has nothing close to resembling a P2W item in its "cash shop"...ANet isnt doing anything special or unique in that regard.

  • aphydorkaphydork Boring, ORPosts: 133Member

    They have a good foundation to build upon.

    Things just need to be tightened up here and there, balanced very carefully for both PvE and PvP, and more things to do released in the form of dungeons, activities, and world boss fights. I am hoping that they spent so much time on everything else that there are some areas that they had to neglect partially, such as dungeons and boss encounters.

    There's not a lot coming up, so they have time to deal with issues many have.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,586Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal

    Finding GW2 boring after 1.5 months !=  MMO burnout.

     

    of course not but seeing the same people play every single themepark and getting bored after a month to me is themepark burnout.. i too crave a good sandbox hybrid but still find GW2 the best themepark out there

    this is true. have to keep in mide that were talking about theamparks. and the best one out is gw2. followed by rift. just my opinion mind you =)

    which shares mine:) find Rift the best p2p themepark out their but find GW2 a better game for me:)

    I just hate cash shops. I hate them. And, yes, I'm watching Rifts for anything even remotely suspiscious. When that happens, I will quit Rift too. Hopefully, it will stay the way it is. Nothing useable, consumable or wearable in game. It's bad enough they sell that dam mount skin. PFFT!  But for now, Rift is the best MMO for me that is available.

    so if Deeps’ Depot offers full blown cosmetic shop you would leave just for that? i dunno to me that concept just makes no sense to me.. how does it hurt your gaming experience in any way if others feel it worth it to spend some extra money on cosmetic items.. if the company is a good company like I feel Trion is and you can see them bringing out lots of new content I really don't see the issue.. now say they only released 2 patches a year and had this then i'd see a reason to get angry... i personally don't like CS in P2P games but won't leave a game because of it as long as it's not p2w

    GW2 has the most respectable cash shop I have seen yet. But only in terms of what's relative from one player to the next. I have said this before. I applaud ANET for being one of the only companies to not bullshit it's players and did not introduce some hidden P2W mechanics and some slippery wording to cover it up. (**CoughfuncomCough**) But I don not consider GW2's Cash Shop to be totally benign. The game's economy is all but nonexistant.

    Being able to buy boxing gloves and sunglasses undermines the whole concept of progression. It doesn't matter than there are no stats to it. It's in the game, you should have to do something to get it. And, yeah, I get that it's possible to make all items in the game also. But it's still a form of progression. It is something....anything, that get's players out there doing something in the game, then it's one more thing to keep you playing and or do with someone else. If I buy it in the shop, what's the point of playing the game?

    Umm...just want to point out, the biggest sub based MMO out there, WoW, has nothing close to resembling a P2W item in its "cash shop"...ANet isnt doing anything special or unique in that regard.

    Forgot about WoW's, TBH.

     

  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by xAPOCx
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by grimal

    Finding GW2 boring after 1.5 months !=  MMO burnout.

     

    [snip]

    GW2 has the most respectable cash shop I have seen yet. But only in terms of what's relative from one player to the next. I have said this before. I applaud ANET for being one of the only companies to not bullshit it's players and did not introduce some hidden P2W mechanics and some slippery wording to cover it up. (**CoughfuncomCough**) But I don not consider GW2's Cash Shop to be totally benign. The game's economy is all but nonexistant.

    Being able to buy boxing gloves and sunglasses undermines the whole concept of progression. It doesn't matter than there are no stats to it. It's in the game, you should have to do something to get it. And, yeah, I get that it's possible to make all items in the game also. But it's still a form of progression. It is something....anything, that get's players out there doing something in the game, then it's one more thing to keep you playing and or do with someone else. If I buy it in the shop, what's the point of playing the game?

    Umm...just want to point out, the biggest sub based MMO out there, WoW, has nothing close to resembling a P2W item in its "cash shop"...ANet isnt doing anything special or unique in that regard.

    No they just employ the biggest rip off of them all, requiring a monthly sub. I think that was more his point. taking money from the players irresponsibly.

  • SkymourneSkymourne Ruston, LAPosts: 366Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dim_sum

    You're not burnt out old bean, it's just not a very good game. 

    Looks pretty, plays well, essentially soulless.

    I want a carrot too, don't be ashamed. Loot is awesome. Getting cool shit is fun.

    Cosmetics are not fun.

     

    Dynamic events have been lauded as some kind of great evolution in gameplay.

    They are not. Because their inevitable cycling is contradictory.

     

    Rejection of trinity heralded as a revolution in player dynamics.

    It is not, because homogeneity is not preferential to diversification.

     

    It does some stuff well obviously. And they sold it well enough. But it's all a bit tedious.  Also personal stories suck balls.

    Wow i have to completely agree with this and I was in the same position as BadSpock.  I was surprised at first to read his re-review, then I wasn't because I've been feeling the same way myself for a couple of weeks.  My main problem with this game now is that I was sorely disappointed with the skill system as i was anticipating the skill system from the original.  i didn't get it.  Mix that in with the fact that I MISS BEING A HEALER on top of just getting great shit for hard work and I am a sad monkey.  

    Oh well.  I'll still visit it from time to time, but overall, it's predecesor was superior and I never expected to say that.  It's beautiful and expansive, but you are right...it has no soul.

     

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,926Member Uncommon

    I didn't read the whole thing.  but what I read sounds familiar to me.

     

    I got to 85 pretty quickly.  Orr was indeed VERY disappointing as was WvW.

     

    This game has crappy progression and a poor motivation/reward system.  As of yet they haven't mentioned anything that makes it sound like they will/want to fix it.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,926Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Grimula

    My favourite part of GW 2 was the underwater combat exploration

     

    Underwater is just amazing in GW2...they need to add a whole bunch more to underwater hahah

     

    I thought underwater exploration was much better in WOW:CATA, but people complained about it and so they abandoned an underwater based raid.

  • SaintPhilipSaintPhilip Bree, MIPosts: 713Member
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    I didn't read the whole thing.  but what I read sounds familiar to me.

     

    I got to 85 pretty quickly.  Orr was indeed VERY disappointing as was WvW.

     

    This game has crappy progression and a poor motivation/reward system.  As of yet they haven't mentioned anything that makes it sound like they will/want to fix it.

    -Pretty much this.

    good enough game to kill a few hours with here and there- beyond that? Not so much. I have not logged in in a couple weeks and probably will not for another few at least.

    hat said- It being B2P means I always have SOMETHING to log into whenI need to "scratch that itch"- So its all good I guess.

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    I didn't read the whole thing.  but what I read sounds familiar to me.

     

    I got to 85 pretty quickly.  Orr was indeed VERY disappointing as was WvW.

     

    This game has crappy progression and a poor motivation/reward system.  As of yet they haven't mentioned anything that makes it sound like they will/want to fix it.

    A very impressive feat; this must put you as GM status.  Perhaps you are confusing this game with WoW Cataclysm, which you have played before.

     

    But yeah, many complaints like yours are whiney.  The game was pretty much advertised as end game gear being easy to get, with everyone having the same stuff (different looks though).  The game is ultra casual and caters to the solo player essentially.  If it didn't it would likely have a sub fee.

     

    End game progression would be nice, but it wasn't promised.  Don't like it, don't play it!

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  • tank017tank017 Glendale, CAPosts: 2,192Member
    Originally posted by grimal

    Finding GW2 boring after 1.5 months !=  MMO burnout.

     

    lol,its a theme park..

     

    so not really

     

  • pierthpierth San Antonio, TXPosts: 1,503Member

    Read the entire thread, and I can agree with most points in the OP. GW2 just comes off as lackluster.


    But for me this has nothing to do with the lack of a carrot- my carrot has always been whether or not I feel like playing. If I feel like playing MMOs I go to that; if I feel like a FPS or console game I have ones of those I enjoy as well.


    The biggest loss I've felt has only to do with community- as the friends I've made in MMOs since I started in EQ1 choose RL more and more over MMOs I find it increasingly difficult to find like-minded individuals in these games and without people that I desire to log in to interact with why not just play single player RPGs or other genres that do combat, story, and graphics far better than MMOs do?

  • drakaenadrakaena Posts: 488Member Uncommon

    Not too late to hop in the ArcheAge line and wait patiently with the rest of us.

     

    You seriously cannot let GW2 ruin your MMO addiction. Don't go out like that, lol.

  • RandaynRandayn Sellersville, PAPosts: 883Member Uncommon
    This just in....(and im not bs'ing)..my 8 year old son (who had been playing GW2, not me) just told me that he is bored of playing GW2 about 2 hours ago.  He refused to log in....that's how I felt after 3 days.

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  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by Randayn
    This just in....(and im not bs'ing)..my 8 year old son (who had been playing GW2, not me) just told me that he is bored of playing GW2 about 2 hours ago.  He refused to log in....that's how I felt after 3 days.

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • VaultarVaultar adelaidePosts: 339Member

    Still going strong here too and thats when I have TL2 and Bordelands 2 on my hdd which I still hardly played. Just recently I completed explorable mode of Twilight Arbor (a very difficult dungeon) and got so much satisfaction out of it for making through it till the end especially it being my first time. Unlike others here, I LOVE cosmetic coz it means that I am not trying to catch up with others in terms of best gear and I just aim too look badass. I just neeeed those nightmare legguards and breastplate! They just look too awesome. Then there is this other dungeon that has gear with perfect stats for my char that I just have to do tooo once I am done with TA.

    Then there is 100% world completion to aim for, story to finish, do dragon runs with guildies, runs in orr and wvwvw (which I get addicted to whenever I visit it). So basically, I like everything about the game that u don't like. 

    It all comes down to personal preferences, outlook and expectations. 

    Looking forward to EQL and EQN.

  • XzenXzen Los Alamos, NMPosts: 2,607Member Common
    Originally posted by drakaena

    Not too late to hop in the ArcheAge line and wait patiently with the rest of us.

     

    You seriously cannot let GW2 ruin your MMO addiction. Don't go out like that, lol.

    I'm waiting on ArcheAge myself. I had this called from the beggining and it's not just a problem with GW2. It's all themepark games. Once you consume all the content there's nothing really left to do. The part GW2 got right was their B2P model. When they release new content and event you can jump in consume it and forget about it until more content comes out.

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins
    Originally posted by Grimula

    My favourite part of GW 2 was the underwater combat exploration

     

    Underwater is just amazing in GW2...they need to add a whole bunch more to underwater hahah

     

    I thought underwater exploration was much better in WOW:CATA, but people complained about it and so they abandoned an underwater based raid.

    Vash'Jir (WoW Cataclysm) was definitely a treasure.  I had friends and family watch me play, and they commented that what I'm playing looks really good.  They never played WoW.

     

    The underwater in WoW was good, but you are being a tad naive here.  It was expensive for Blizzard to keep doing detailed underwater zones.  Every nook and cranny could be explored and swam to.  It's far cheaper for Blizzard to do boring 2D landscapes in a 3D world.

    The people complaining against underwater worlds were shills, promoting a cheaper way for Activision-Blizzard to do business.  You fell for it, although it didn't change your gut feeling.

     

    You see when enough people seem to complain about awesome stuff, then the mindset changes, and suddenly underwater worlds were out.  You think underwater worlds were better, but you didn't voice loud enough.

     

    I think Vash'Jir (WoW) was one of the best things to be added to Cataclysm.

     

    But then again, this might be a whiney post, right?

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,132Member Uncommon

    I don't see myself quitting this game for a long time, but I use a different perception than many. I base my enjoyment from how much I contribute to a game, not by how much the game contributes to me.

     

    Good luck with your future endeavors.

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

  • stevebmbsqdstevebmbsqd Orlando, FLPosts: 448Member
    Originally posted by eyelolled

    I don't see myself quitting this game for a long time, but I use a different perception than many. I base my enjoyment from how much I contribute to a game, not by how much the game contributes to me.

     

    Good luck with your future endeavors.

    I don't mean to offend you, but didn't you buy the game for your entertainment? The game should be contributing to your entertainment. What you wrote makes no sense.....at least not to me. Anyway, whatever makes you happy I suppose.....

  • eye_meye_m Notta Chance, ABPosts: 3,132Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
    Originally posted by eyelolled

    I don't see myself quitting this game for a long time, but I use a different perception than many. I base my enjoyment from how much I contribute to a game, not by how much the game contributes to me.

     

    Good luck with your future endeavors.

    I don't mean to offend you, but didn't you buy the game for your entertainment? The game should be contributing to your entertainment. What you wrote makes no sense.....at least not to me. Anyway, whatever makes you happy I suppose.....

    Sorry for not being more clear, I like to roleplay in games. Creating a backstory for my character, acting in accordance to the personality of the character I create. These are all investments of effort, not financial. The effort that I put in to my character, and the game, makes me want to keep it going.

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

  • PivotelitePivotelite Hamilton, ONPosts: 2,167Member

    It's weird isn't it? All my TERA guildies like GW2 more than TERA but they are already finding themselves bored and un-inspired in GW2 within 2 months...whereas we played TERA for 5 months...probably longer if GW2 didn't come out. I actually have one guildie that plays TERA and complains about it being shit while saying GW2 is amazing..but he doesn't play it...because he's accomplishing nothing, there's no progression.

     

    GW2 makes you realize you need social features, the trinity and "the carrot", no matter how "fun" the game is. They are the fundamentals of MMOs and GW2 lacks all three.

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  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by Pivotelite

    It's weird isn't it? All my TERA guildies like GW2 more than TERA but they are already finding themselves bored and un-inspired in GW2 within 2 months...whereas we played TERA for 5 months...probably longer if GW2 didn't come out. I actually have one guildie that plays TERA and complains about it being shit while saying GW2 is amazing..but he doesn't play it...because he's accomplishing nothing, there's no progression.

     

    GW2 makes you realize you need social features, the trinity and "the carrot", no matter how "fun" the game is. They are the fundamentals of MMOs and GW2 lacks all three.

    it has many many forms of progression and things to strive for.. people just can't get out of the mindset that stat progression is all there is in this regard

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • PivotelitePivotelite Hamilton, ONPosts: 2,167Member
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by Pivotelite

    It's weird isn't it? All my TERA guildies like GW2 more than TERA but they are already finding themselves bored and un-inspired in GW2 within 2 months...whereas we played TERA for 5 months...probably longer if GW2 didn't come out. I actually have one guildie that plays TERA and complains about it being shit while saying GW2 is amazing..but he doesn't play it...because he's accomplishing nothing, there's no progression.

     

    GW2 makes you realize you need social features, the trinity and "the carrot", no matter how "fun" the game is. They are the fundamentals of MMOs and GW2 lacks all three.

    it has many many forms of progression and things to strive for.. people just can't get out of the mindset that stat progression is all there is in this regard

    Really? I'm rank 13 in sPvP got my gear and got bored of Spvp, went to WvW, enjoyed it for a few days, played it non-stop and spent all my gold on siege, then got bored. I already have my full exotic set from running CoF for 2 hours per day for 4 days...

     

    what other progression should i go for? The stats of my character in PvP and PvE are set and so are my looks... there's not much more to do, same goes for all my guildmates(some with two 80s in full exotics already).

     

    Am i going to continue to do WvW and plummit into bankrupcy for no purpose other than fun? Continue Spvp to get some unobtainable and ridiculously high ranks that mean nothing? Am I going to run average dungeons with people who suck for no gear or anything of value?

     

    There's hardly any ways to make money in this game and even with money the only thing you can spend it on is WvW or cosmetics, there's no progression.

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  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148 1, NJPosts: 6,690Member
    The game is good for the casuals, those who don't spend a lot of time gaming but for those who need to get down to the nuts and bolts of any rpg this game doesn't provide them the satisfaction they require from an online  rpg.  Still a decent game if you have nothing better to do.
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  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,117Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by bigsmiff

    Good write-up.

    I have been playing since right after launch and I have talked to maybe five people total. I do not get the mmo feel at all in GW2. Crafting in mmo's has always been 80% of my gameplay, and I find the crafting in GW2 to be very very lackluster. It is not a bad game, but it isn't for me at all.

    i still don't see how you guys play MMOs like this.. i don't care if the game mechanics force talking or not.. without a guild or a good list of friends any MMO would get boring to me after awhile. 

    When I started playing EQ back in 1999, I didn't have to join a guild to enjoy immense amounts of socializing and chatter in that game.  Instancing and phasing and action combat all add to these games feeling like they're dead.  Game mechanics try to force people apart and guilds encourage people not to socialize and chatter outside of said guilds and action combat means people are generally too busy to socialize even in their groups.  I miss the slower combat of EQ as it allowed people to chatter and switch up tactics on the fly without punishing players for the smallest mistakes.

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