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[Preview] Wizardry Online: Hardcore? You Bet It Is!

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,595MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

During SOE Live last weekend, the Wizardry Online team was on hand to talk more about the game that Sony Online calls "thirty years in the making". It's a game with lots of history and big shoes to fill. See what we learned about WO and then weigh in on the conversation when finished!

We had the opportunity to chat with Senior Producer Todd Carson and other members of his team about Wizardry Online and, honestly, I have to start with my favorite line of the day:

"With permadeath, sometimes you're just dead."

Read more of Suzie Ford's Wizardry Online: Hardcore? You Bet It Is!

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  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member
    So it has cute Pokemon characters but also mature rating? That is odd. Other than that it sounds great. I am personally not for perma death, I think it leads to people avoiding combat rather than embracing it, but the rest sounds nice.
  • bluezone5bluezone5 katy, TXPosts: 13Member
    I think its going to be great for hardcore PVP fans, but with the stress of permadeath, I believe it might die in a short time period.
  • YakamomotoYakamomoto Osaka, ARPosts: 363Member
    sounds awesome! so sick of carebear MMOs, mostly feel pointless because of missing consequences
  • bbbb42bbbb42 none, FLPosts: 297Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Yamota
    So it has cute Pokemon characters but also mature rating? That is odd. Other than that it sounds great. I am personally not for perma death, I think it leads to people avoiding combat rather than embracing it, but the rest sounds nice.

    goggle: When They Cry,  you can't spell slaughter without laughter.

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  • bbbb42bbbb42 none, FLPosts: 297Member Uncommon

    this game better have stable servers otherwise it will die quicker swtor

    i think this game will end up being more about pve then pve since being an annoying douche will garentee you dieing

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  • notusernotuser madridPosts: 12Member
    Originally posted by Yakamomoto
    sounds awesome! so sick of carebear MMOs, mostly feel pointless because of missing consequences

    total agree

    50% of mmorpg has been ruined by carebear

    crying in forums..

  • bunnyhopperbunnyhopper LondonPosts: 2,751Member
    Colour me interested.

    "Come and have a look at what you could have won."

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,988Member Uncommon

    Strangely enough, though totally a carebear this game is of interest to me (heck, I signed up for the beta) because it's one of the few fresh new things out there in terms of design.

    And it sounds very group focused (shall we call it "forced?")  Sounds good to me.

     

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
    "I don't have one life, I have many lives" - Grunty
    Still currently "subscribed" to EVE, and only EVE!!!
    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon

  • SaintPhilipSaintPhilip Bree, MIPosts: 713Member
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Strangely enough, though totally a carebear this game is of interest to me (heck, I signed up for the beta) because it's one of the few fresh new things out there in terms of design.

    And it sounds very group focused (shall we call it "forced?")  Sounds good to me.

     

    -Yes... Yes...Yes...

    Just waiting to see how the Ca$h $hop evolves. I like everything but the fact that I have heard (do not remember where I heard this or if even true) that there will be cash Shop items to avoid permadeath (or increase resurection chance?) idk- Something like that-

    Other than that I am really liking the ideal for this game- Then again the Wiz series is one of my favorites until the Japenese butchered it (compare the Ps3 Wiz to Wiz 8) with "cute" monsters and lolicon. Gameplay-wise though- I very much like.

  • YakamomotoYakamomoto Osaka, ARPosts: 363Member
    I really hope it will be free of random people zerging a la gw2...
  • bunnyhopperbunnyhopper LondonPosts: 2,751Member
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Strangely enough, though totally a carebear this game is of interest to me (heck, I signed up for the beta) because it's one of the few fresh new things out there in terms of design.

    And it sounds very group focused (shall we call it "forced?")  Sounds good to me.

     

    This and Unholy Wars eh? Stop the carebear pretence and come join the sociopaths club, we have such good fun :p

    "Come and have a look at what you could have won."

  • Po_ggPo_gg Twigwarren, WestfarthingPosts: 2,715Member Uncommon

    I guess there's always a first for everyone :) I usually try out any online game which seems interesting (so a big no to DotA clones :) ), regardless of the reviews or pre-launch test infos. And Wizardry was one of my favourite series back in the days.

    But constant gank-fest with permadeath, and if you bored of it, there's no exploration or crafting or anything, only dungeon crawling (I loathed diablo and it's clones), and even that dungeon crawl is with " emphasis is on combat, not 'adventure'. "

    So,

    "Does the style of gaming that Wizardry Online is bringing to the MMO-space appeal to you or not?"

    no thanks, I'll pass, based on those infos :)

    (and before someone adds, yep I know Wizardy and Dungeon Master and the Beholders were 'technically' dungeon crawlers too, but what was great 20+ years ago on a 286 pc is not necessarily enough today :) )

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,200Member Uncommon

    This game is definitely not for me, but I'm glad it's there for those who like that sort of thing.

    Personally, I think it will crash and burn.  All those who say they love the hardcore will find some excuse why it doesn't work for them (they always do) and then will bitch about all the other care bear games and how it's ruining the genre blah blah blah, like they always do.  People say they want hardcore until they're on the losing end then it's rage quit time.  If I'm wrong about this game, and it's successful a year after its release, then I'll eat crow and admit I was way out of line.

  • AdamTMAdamTM Frankfurt Am MainPosts: 1,376Member
    Originally posted by Yakamomoto
    I really hope it will be free of random people zerging a la gw2...

    I would purposefully wait the first 2-3 days till the player(ganker)-population figures out that permadeath goes both ways....

    There is no aggro-reset.

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  • 3-4thElf3-4thElf Elftown, MEPosts: 489Member
    Yes please!

    a yo ho ho

  • 3-4thElf3-4thElf Elftown, MEPosts: 489Member
    Originally posted by Yakamomoto
    I really hope it will be free of random people zerging a la gw2...

    Nope.

    That's how I'm going to play the game. My blood thirsty horde of 93 will be there. Together, zerging the CRAP out of anywhere we can.

    Why? Cuz it's fun.

    a yo ho ho

  • MardukkMardukk Posts: 1,556Member Uncommon
    So sick of no consequence to my actions. I will play this game if for no other reason than the devs have balls to treat adults like adults.
  • protodoxaprotodoxa Seattle, WAPosts: 14Member
    Another carebear strangely excited for this game. I really like some of the Wizardry titles (played 6 on my cell phone with a dosbox emulator for a good minute and it was very neat). There's something really rewarding about surviving a floor of a dungeon in Wizardry and other games from that period (Might and Magic, Ultima Underworld, etc.). Wizardry was just much more intense than the rest , and thus often a bit more rewarding.
  • chase17tnchase17tn whitwell, TNPosts: 93Member
    if you dont like dark souls dont play this game if your like me and wished darksouls was a mmo play this game!

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    thanks both u guys

  • OzmodanOzmodan Hilliard, OHPosts: 7,183Member Uncommon
    Atrocious to sully the Wizardry name with this POS!  Basically nothing from any of the prior Wizardry games is in this one.
  • SaintPhilipSaintPhilip Bree, MIPosts: 713Member
    Originally posted by Ozmodan
    Atrocious to sully the Wizardry name with this POS!  Basically nothing from any of the prior Wizardry games is in this one.

    -Oh but you are mistaken.

    After Wiz 8 the IP was sold to the japenese (Chinese?) and they have literally kicked out TONS of "official" Wizardry games (more than 8 I believe).

    To me, Wiz 7 and 8 were phenominal... What happened after that is "official" but not the Wizardry we have come to know and love.

    Actually there were a couple Wiz games from Asiai which looked really good but getting a translation was impossible- The ones that DID get translated (including for the PS3) were very "cute". =/

    EDIT: Essentially I see your point- My point is that the name has been soiled for a LONG TIME.

  • AdamTMAdamTM Frankfurt Am MainPosts: 1,376Member
    Originally posted by Ozmodan
    Atrocious to sully the Wizardry name with this POS!  Basically nothing from any of the prior Wizardry games is in this one.

    You're like 10 years and ~25 games late to the party to complain about this.

    Want something Wizardry?

    Support: http://www.indiegogo.com/grimoireforever

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  • SaintPhilipSaintPhilip Bree, MIPosts: 713Member
    Originally posted by AdamTM
    Originally posted by Ozmodan
    Atrocious to sully the Wizardry name with this POS!  Basically nothing from any of the prior Wizardry games is in this one.

    You're like 10 years and ~25 games late to the party to complain about this.

    Want something Wizardry?

    Support: http://www.indiegogo.com/grimoireforever

    Long live CLEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And yes...You are SOOOOOOOOO correct.

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by Ozmodan
    Atrocious to sully the Wizardry name with this POS!  Basically nothing from any of the prior Wizardry games is in this one.

    Kind of what I'm thinking as well.  Sir-Tech (original founding company) created the Wizardry world.  A new company stepping in is about as useful to gaming as EA creating a new Ultima game (Original for Ultima was Richard Garriott, Origin Systems, Inc.).  Everything EA makes turns to garbage because the "suits" are not even gamers.

     

    The founders for any original game had passion for games and roleplaying.  The "license owning" companies these days are more concerned with how much money they can make, instead of making a superior game.

    Geez, how long before a craptastic company comes along and tries to monetize Might and Magic as an MMORPG.  Ugh.

     

    While we're at it, lets also sodomize Bard's Tale.  The SP remake wasn't bad enough?

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  • SaintPhilipSaintPhilip Bree, MIPosts: 713Member
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Ozmodan
    Atrocious to sully the Wizardry name with this POS!  Basically nothing from any of the prior Wizardry games is in this one.

    Kind of what I'm thinking as well.  Sir-Tech (original founding company) created the Wizardry world.  A new company stepping in is about as useful to gaming as EA creating a new Ultima game (Original for Ultima was Richard Garriott, Origin Systems, Inc.).

     

    The founders for any original game had passion for games and roleplaying.  The new companies these days are more concerned with how much money they can make, instead of making a superior game.

    Geez, how long before a craptastic company comes along and tries to monetize Might and Magic as an MMORPG.  Ugh.

    ...Please do not give them any ideals. Imagine "mandate of heaven" or "World of Xeen" F2P with Cash Shop... You log in and the flashing ad says "Click here to buy Dragon Class" or "$2.99 chest key- Today ONLY"

    EDIT: I see you now have given them bards tale as well... Yes the remake was bad... But not 2012 bad...yet...

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