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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by Arkain

    thanks,

    lol, yah, its gose on all over MMORPG.com, one would think it is the mmorpg.com's raison d'etre: "they argue, there for I am!"

    Except in this case, we won't be consulted over (whatever a corporate beancounter decides the best payment play is at any given time (x)),

    The only thing that changes a company's previous model is a massive change (addition, departure) in the player base, that alters the other variables and produces a new 'most profitable plan'.  And in any case, no company can go FTP until their cash shop strategy is ready, even if every single subscriber is bitching on their home site.

    Some random mook on mmorpg.com is bitching?  Accounting staff: "Oh, when are they not?" (change tv channel).

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,927Member Uncommon
    I love how you say combat is boring and then you mention GW2 and Eve. XD Anyways... um okay? Didn't really need to make a thread for this but sure if you like to thats fine. I guess we all have our own tastes. Never understood the whole 'I won't pay sub for a game' philosophy, since a cash shop based system tends to be MORE costly then a P2P system to get the same bang for your buck. 
  • CandombleCandomble Ponta DelgadaPosts: 164Member
    The most entertaining about OP is that to him the game is not good (combat, graphics, quests), but even so he would buy it and keep playing if it wasn't for the sub fee. Is it masochism?
  • saylorxisaylorxi Blairstown, NJPosts: 14Member

    In my experience the people who clamor over having to pay a monthly sub fee are normally the type of people that jump from game to game playing a couple weeks here or there just to experience new sytems and move on . Most of these people are not really contributining to the continued development of a game but then will go on forums complaining that the newest release that they want to try out has a sub so they are unable to do there trial with it.

    I understand where they are coming from, they do not want to put out the money on something that they will commit too. The options they are given then are f2p/b2p with cash shops, which for these people work great. They get to tour the game then move on to the next one. This does not work so well for the companies or playerbase. 

    To stay with a f2p game to me just doesn't make sense. I made that mistake in Runes of Magic. There were people out there saying that you could trade in game gold for diamonds, but this is all based on supply and demand, and I am sure that my time is more valueable to me than spending hours grinding out gold to trade for a few measly dollars a week. I would have to get al the gold I could possibly need in a short period of time if you compared it to what you actually make in a job. In other words., for me to play a frree to play game by griniding in game, I better not have to grind more than 30 minutes doing something I do not like or it does not make financial sense.

    Of course, I don't game hop every few weeks so perhaps this is the differnence.

  • Tonin109Tonin109 ??, CAPosts: 201Member
    Originally posted by alancode
    Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

    maybe because you have more fun with your friends in real life than just sitting behind a screen and bashing monsters?

    if the choice is :  spend 15 bucks monthly or 50 bucks with friends and having good time  ,you know my choice

    now i can understand people have more fun to kill some pixels with a keyboard

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  • zasdzasd williamsport, PAPosts: 40Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Arkain
    Originally posted by jdnewell
    Originally posted by JackFrosty
    Originally posted by Istavaan
    Originally posted by Rimmersman
    Originally posted by JackFrosty
    Then stop complaining and go back to GW2. Bye.

    Lol, the thing is all these players saying they can never pay for a sub again are going to come unstuck. If they think subs died with the release of GW2 then they are delusional.

    All they are doing is limiting the amount of MMOs they can play.

    we will see when the next round of mmo's are released..planetside is next and is free 2 play. can you name an mmorpg coming out soon that will have a sub? Subcriptions are dead.

    Sorry it took me a few minutes to stop laughing to reply.

    Subs are dead yet the most successful MMO in history still has 10 million subs 8 yrs later and counting.

    Add to that the fact that TITAN is going to be sub based and crush everything on the market when it arrives and you think sub-based is dead. lol.

    What I think is even more LOL worthy is that people playing " F2P " games usually spend way more than $15 a month, often much more, even into the $100s of dollars. Just look at some of the halloween event posts on GW2.

    Then these same people will rail and whine, bitch and moan if they had to pay $15 a month. I bet in 2 months if you asked those same people who just dropped $100s in GW2 cash shop to pay $15 a month they would act like the world was ending.

    And I bet a good many of them spend more than $15 a month of much lesser entertainment, like movies, or 8 hour length ps3/360 games, or their online porn sub, ect. Thats what I think is really funny.

    Wait,.... what?

    People sub to porn........on the internet.......???....do they know about google???? image

    sorry I was dazes and whent of topic

    This ^

  • CandombleCandomble Ponta DelgadaPosts: 164Member
    Originally posted by Tonin109
    Originally posted by alancode
    Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

    maybe because you have more fun with your friends in real life than just sitting behind a screen and bashing monsters?

    if the choice is :  spend 15 bucks monthly or 50 bucks with friends and having good time  ,you know my choice

    now i can understand people have more fun to kill some pixels with a keyboard

    But you know you can do both, don't you? Not mutually exclusive.

  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Woodstock, GAPosts: 1,379Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by alancode
    Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

    And I can't understand why so many people on these forums get hung up on the amount of the sub and discredit peoples opinions when they don't feel it's a value. Price and Value are not the same thing. I have no problem paying a sub for a game, but none have been worth the price nor has the cost varied or been justified by any developers. The only exception I have found was EVE and that's because you aren't charged for the expansions. When they say the sub pays for the further development guess what, it actually does and your monthly sub is returned in the form of the content you have been paying for every month.

    I refuse to pay a sub for a lot of titles I bought and it has ZERO to do with whether or not I can afford it. Never has and never will. When I don't play games I am much more inclined to blow money on dumb stuff so playing a MMO actually saves me money. OP, you pretty much didn't do what I am talking about because you came across as whining about the price so I can see why you get the flak, but to turn this into a statement about anyone not agreeing with a sub should stop playing because they are poor is pretty dumb. Other than how the issue was put out there, I agree that I also couldn't subscribe to Rift and there is no reason to be sorry. Move on OP.

    RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,603Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mWo4life

    I have Rift trial account. I just reached lvl 20 and to continue to play it  I need to buy the game and to subscribe. I can buy the game with expansion, no problem, what is stopping me is subscription. I just don't want to pay to play.

    I also play GW2 and EVE now, and I cannot see any justification why I should pay sub-fee in Rift. Combat is boring tap-targeting, graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes, all quests are like kill 10x of this, collect 10x of that, etc. GW2 provides better experience for me without sub-fee than Rift with sub-fees. Ppl say Rift has good end-game. Maybe, but it will take me months before I reach it. So why bother, if I don't know I will even like it? The only sub-fees that I tolerate atm are in EVE. And this is because, I have an option to pay the fees using in-game currency.

     

     

    So what are you looking for? Sounds like you made your choice.

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by mWo4life

    I have Rift trial account. I just reached lvl 20 and to continue to play it  I need to buy the game and to subscribe. I can buy the game with expansion, no problem, what is stopping me is subscription. I just don't want to pay to play.

    I also play GW2 and EVE now, and I cannot see any justification why I should pay sub-fee in Rift. Combat is boring tap-targeting, graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes, all quests are like kill 10x of this, collect 10x of that, etc. GW2 provides better experience for me without sub-fee than Rift with sub-fees. Ppl say Rift has good end-game. Maybe, but it will take me months before I reach it. So why bother, if I don't know I will even like it? The only sub-fees that I tolerate atm are in EVE. And this is because, I have an option to pay the fees using in-game currency.

     

     

    So what are you looking for? Sounds like you made your choice.

    same thing as any of these kinds of posts in any games forum.. to get attention, complain and sir things up... but i suppose without them the forums would be pretty silent... 

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • PsyMike3dPsyMike3d AthensPosts: 388Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mWo4life

     graphics is outdated

     

    Are you serious?!?!

    Rift has awsome graphics probably better in general than GW2.

    GW2 has better shaders/materials but Rift's artstyle/models/atmosphere are ways superior!

  • f0dell54f0dell54 Des Moines, IAPosts: 329Member Common
    Originally posted by FlawSGI
    Originally posted by alancode
    Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

    And I can't understand why so many people on these forums get hung up on the amount of the sub and discredit peoples opinions when they don't feel it's a value. Price and Value are not the same thing. I have no problem paying a sub for a game, but none have been worth the price nor has the cost varied or been justified by any developers. The only exception I have found was EVE and that's because you aren't charged for the expansions. When they say the sub pays for the further development guess what, it actually does and your monthly sub is returned in the form of the content you have been paying for every month.

    I refuse to pay a sub for a lot of titles I bought and it has ZERO to do with whether or not I can afford it. Never has and never will. When I don't play games I am much more inclined to blow money on dumb stuff so playing a MMO actually saves me money. OP, you pretty much didn't do what I am talking about because you came across as whining about the price so I can see why you get the flak, but to turn this into a statement about anyone not agreeing with a sub should stop playing because they are poor is pretty dumb. Other than how the issue was put out there, I agree that I also couldn't subscribe to Rift and there is no reason to be sorry. Move on OP.

     

    So let me get this straight you think that paying for a sub is only for content released and that sub money is returned in the form of content. Then in the next paragraph say that you couldn't subscribe to Rift, eventhough Trion release more content and updates then any other company; including CCP. That is with being charged for expansion or not. 

    You completely contradicted yourself. Atleast you could have said, "Hey I don't like Rift and neither do you we won't sub." But instead you just talked in circles.

     

    I'm confused

  • kitaradkitarad RomePosts: 1,747Member Uncommon

    Whether a game has a sub or not has never been a consideratin for me playing it. If the game is fun I will sub simple as that. 

     

    That comment about content is rubbish too as Trion has been releasing content like very very often in fact it has been hailed as a standard other games should follow by people on this very board.

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  • f0dell54f0dell54 Des Moines, IAPosts: 329Member Common
    Originally posted by mWo4life

    graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes

     

    Graphics do look bad if your running a crappy computer. If you can max out Rift it looks pretty decent and on par with GW2 in my opinion.

     

    Yes, we all know voice over cut scenes make the mmo. I mean look at SWTOR is doing wonderful.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,603Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by mWo4life

    I have Rift trial account. I just reached lvl 20 and to continue to play it  I need to buy the game and to subscribe. I can buy the game with expansion, no problem, what is stopping me is subscription. I just don't want to pay to play.

    I also play GW2 and EVE now, and I cannot see any justification why I should pay sub-fee in Rift. Combat is boring tap-targeting, graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes, all quests are like kill 10x of this, collect 10x of that, etc. GW2 provides better experience for me without sub-fee than Rift with sub-fees. Ppl say Rift has good end-game. Maybe, but it will take me months before I reach it. So why bother, if I don't know I will even like it? The only sub-fees that I tolerate atm are in EVE. And this is because, I have an option to pay the fees using in-game currency.

     

     

    So what are you looking for? Sounds like you made your choice.

    same thing as any of these kinds of posts in any games forum.. to get attention, complain and sir things up... but i suppose without them the forums would be pretty silent... 

    HAHA, yeah, true. But yeah, I admit it, I come here for the PVP.

  • AerowynAerowyn BUZZARDS BAY, MAPosts: 7,928Member
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by Aerowyn
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Originally posted by mWo4life

    I have Rift trial account. I just reached lvl 20 and to continue to play it  I need to buy the game and to subscribe. I can buy the game with expansion, no problem, what is stopping me is subscription. I just don't want to pay to play.

    I also play GW2 and EVE now, and I cannot see any justification why I should pay sub-fee in Rift. Combat is boring tap-targeting, graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes, all quests are like kill 10x of this, collect 10x of that, etc. GW2 provides better experience for me without sub-fee than Rift with sub-fees. Ppl say Rift has good end-game. Maybe, but it will take me months before I reach it. So why bother, if I don't know I will even like it? The only sub-fees that I tolerate atm are in EVE. And this is because, I have an option to pay the fees using in-game currency.

     

     

    So what are you looking for? Sounds like you made your choice.

    same thing as any of these kinds of posts in any games forum.. to get attention, complain and sir things up... but i suppose without them the forums would be pretty silent... 

    HAHA, yeah, true. But yeah, I admit it, I come here for the PVP.

    didn't start that way for me but guess it's become that heh:P

    I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  • halflife25halflife25 Toronto, ONPosts: 737Member
    Originally posted by Candomble
    The most entertaining about OP is that to him the game is not good (combat, graphics, quests), but even so he would buy it and keep playing if it wasn't for the sub fee. Is it masochism?

    It is a skewed mentality. 

    'Hey this game has bad graphics, combat..no voice acting. I am not paying a sub for this game, but if it was free i would play it'.

    If game is crap it is crap... if it has no sub fee all above mentioned stuff is not going to get automaticaly better. 

  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Woodstock, GAPosts: 1,379Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by f0dell54
    Originally posted by FlawSGI
    Originally posted by alancode
    Omg I don't see how people have a problem paying a TINY tiny 15 dollars a month....really? really. Going to the movie theater on friday night with your buds is more than 15 dollars...and that is for 2 hours...It is just 15 bucks

    And I can't understand why so many people on these forums get hung up on the amount of the sub and discredit peoples opinions when they don't feel it's a value. Price and Value are not the same thing. I have no problem paying a sub for a game, but none have been worth the price nor has the cost varied or been justified by any developers. The only exception I have found was EVE and that's because you aren't charged for the expansions. When they say the sub pays for the further development guess what, it actually does and your monthly sub is returned in the form of the content you have been paying for every month.

    I refuse to pay a sub for a lot of titles I bought and it has ZERO to do with whether or not I can afford it. Never has and never will. When I don't play games I am much more inclined to blow money on dumb stuff so playing a MMO actually saves me money. OP, you pretty much didn't do what I am talking about because you came across as whining about the price so I can see why you get the flak, but to turn this into a statement about anyone not agreeing with a sub should stop playing because they are poor is pretty dumb. Other than how the issue was put out there, I agree that I also couldn't subscribe to Rift and there is no reason to be sorry. Move on OP.

     

    So let me get this straight you think that paying for a sub is only for content released and that sub money is returned in the form of content. Then in the next paragraph say that you couldn't subscribe to Rift, eventhough Trion release more content and updates then any other company; including CCP. That is with being charged for expansion or not. 

    You completely contradicted yourself. Atleast you could have said, "Hey I don't like Rift and neither do you we won't sub." But instead you just talked in circles.

     

    I'm confused

    No, I was saying that I haven't played a game where I felt the cost was justified and an example I was giving was when devs say the cost is for further development of the product yet people still have to pay for the expansions. I have never played EVE, but I respect how they handle their content releases. I also don't understand why $15 is the amount that almost ever P2P game sets on but that's neither here nor there and ties into why I haven't felt that most games were not worth the monthly entitlements. 

    As for my Rift comment, I meant it simply as I agree that I also couldn't pay for a sub and I never stated it had anything to do with their amount of released content because they do release it faster than a lot of other games. I just didn't feel the need to go into my many reasons I don't enjoy the game because I have done so in the past and didn't really want to turn this into a response regarding my many dislikes for the game. I'll list them to clear it up for you though. 

    * 2 starter zones makes rolling an alt a very boring ordeal,

    * overly streamlined quest hub to quest hub experience lending little into exploration and choice,

    * obnoxiouse amount of skills that appear to do a lot of the same stuff cluddering up my UI,

    * the souls system for some classes were aweful,

    * gameplay felt too grindy although leveling was fast, it was a bore to me,

    * rifts quickly became repetative and sometimes when there was an absence of others they were impossible to clear so you can get your NPC back,

    * the world was shallow and small and the fact that you had pretty much one leveling path made it more so.

    I'll stop there. These are just my opinions on why I realy couldn't see myself playing the game. You are correct, I could have worded it differently I suppose but the point of the whole things was the fact that people like to bash others when they don't feel a game is worth it's sub fee and try to belittle them by stating how frugel they sound over the price when for some it has nothing to do with the price itself. I in no way contradicted myself, I just didn't feel the need to repeat my dislikes for the title other than I agree I could't pay the sub.

    RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  • hfztthfztt GlostrupPosts: 841Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jdnewell

    Rift is one of the better MMOs on the market IMO.

    All the free content, updates, events ( that dont require real money to enjoy ), ect make it well worth the sub fee. If your hung up on $15 a month then nothing anyone says will really persuade you anyways. F2P and B2P you usually get what you pay for.

    Yes even with GW2 ( and I am a fan who plays almost daily ). I guess I am old school and would rather pay a sub and not get nickle and dimed to death from the F2P / B2P models. I personally would be happier paying $15 month with GW2 and have no gem store than the current model. But I realize I am in the minority here.

    Good luck with whatever you choose =)

    Greates trick they pulled off with GW2 was to convince everybody it's B2P. Really its F2P, just without any actual free part... Nice trick.

  • cronius77cronius77 Fairfax, VAPosts: 1,355Member Uncommon
    forum pvp is fun here because so many people have the most insane stances on games ive ever seen. Its not about hey try this its fun , oh no i do not like that try this anymore. Instead especially with guild wars 2 fans here (not all of course) its my game is so superior im going to post threads in every other game forum i can to rile up as many people as i can. It seems to like majority of the posts come from a bunch of kids to especially this free to play crap argument about how they cant go back to pay to play games because the quality is so great with free to play games. Guild wars 2 is not great OP its shallow and has at least 6 months of patches before id even consider it a contender with games like rift and wow or even  everquest 2. I think most people here would much rather pay 15 bucks a month for quality then putting stupid gambling boxes in game to try milk the loyal fans of free to play games like guild wars 2. Seriously OP if you cant stomach 15 bucks a month or dont like it , get a job and stop living off your parents...
  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member
    Originally posted by mWo4life

    I have Rift trial account. I just reached lvl 20 and to continue to play it  I need to buy the game and to subscribe. I can buy the game with expansion, no problem, what is stopping me is subscription. I just don't want to pay to play.

    I also play GW2 and EVE now, and I cannot see any justification why I should pay sub-fee in Rift. Combat is boring tap-targeting, graphics is outdated, no voiced cut-scenes, all quests are like kill 10x of this, collect 10x of that, etc. GW2 provides better experience for me without sub-fee than Rift with sub-fees. Ppl say Rift has good end-game. Maybe, but it will take me months before I reach it. So why bother, if I don't know I will even like it? The only sub-fees that I tolerate atm are in EVE. And this is because, I have an option to pay the fees using in-game currency.

     

     

    You're absolutely right. There is no justification. Altho I like Trion's honesty with their players and the speed at which they churn out content and updates with actual fun things to do, there really isn't a justification at this point to pay a sub.

    GW2 you can buy things by exchanging gold for gems so it's the same concept as Eves using in game currency to pay for a sub. 

    Their model seems to be the only one that lasts.

    Love the argument that GW2 isn't great because it doesn't have a sub. Talk about poor delusional people. It's great because it has VO, a vibrant world, and secrets to find explore and overcome outside of dungeons. Even Trion has noticed it's success and has made changes to their game accordingly. Saying it isn't good or that it hasn't affected the entire industry is like saying everything in an ecosystem is completely separate so killing this animal to extinction isn't going to affect anything else living there.

     

  • BigAndShinyBigAndShiny LondonPosts: 176Member

    The thing is, Rift has tonnes of content.   It has a hardworking team of developers and a great patch schedule.  The graphics may not be incredible, but they're certainly satisfactory. 

     

    The problem is that I don't want to play another MMO with NO SPECIAL FEATURES.  Apart from the fact that there's lots of content, Rift has nothing different about it.   The combat is the same that we've always seen.  It has neither the animations of SW:TOR, the movement of GW2, or the action-combat feel of Tera.  Rift doesn't have the lore and cutscenes/story of SW:TOR, nor does it have the beautiful environments of GW2. 

    Who cares about a lot of content when it's just fighting more boring mobs with more standard combat without any story in a derivate cliched universe that makes no effort to draw the player into the lore or plot and provides them with no motivation to progress in any way except gear?   

    The main reason to play Rift is that it provides a frequent amount of endgame content and progression for serious players.  However, that motivation is exactly the same as WoW, a game that was released 7 years before it. 

  • halflife25halflife25 Toronto, ONPosts: 737Member
    Originally posted by BigAndShiny

    The thing is, Rift has tonnes of content.   It has a hardworking team of developers and a great patch schedule.  The graphics may not be incredible, but they're certainly satisfactory. 

     

    The problem is that I don't want to play another MMO with NO SPECIAL FEATURES.  Apart from the fact that there's lots of content, Rift has nothing different about it.   The combat is the same that we've always seen.  It has neither the animations of SW:TOR, the movement of GW2, or the action-combat feel of Tera.  Rift doesn't have the lore and cutscenes/story of SW:TOR, nor does it have the beautiful environments of GW2. 

    Who cares about a lot of content when it's just fighting more boring mobs with more standard combat without any story in a derivate cliched universe that makes no effort to draw the player into the lore or plot and provides them with no motivation to progress in any way except gear?   

    The main reason to play Rift is that it provides a frequent amount of endgame content and progression for serious players.  However, that motivation is exactly the same as WoW, a game that was released 7 years before it. 

    If you had played Rift recently you will realise that Rift isn't about end game raiding progression anymore. They have added a lot of alternative ways of progression.Something they are goign to expand upon with new expansion. Yes raiding is a big part of Rift but not the focus of entire game.

    As far as cliche universe.....nothign is more cliche than evil dragons and everyone is a hero ready  to save the world. Sounds familiar? yeah...and yet you enjoy that cliche universe in GW2. Matter of taste and all.

  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Woodstock, GAPosts: 1,379Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by cronius77
    forum pvp is fun here because so many people have the most insane stances on games ive ever seen. Its not about hey try this its fun , oh no i do not like that try this anymore. Instead especially with guild wars 2 fans here (not all of course) its my game is so superior im going to post threads in every other game forum i can to rile up as many people as i can. It seems to like majority of the posts come from a bunch of kids to especially this free to play crap argument about how they cant go back to pay to play games because the quality is so great with free to play games. Guild wars 2 is not great OP its shallow and has at least 6 months of patches before id even consider it a contender with games like rift and wow or even  everquest 2. I think most people here would much rather pay 15 bucks a month for quality then putting stupid gambling boxes in game to try milk the loyal fans of free to play games like guild wars 2. Seriously OP if you cant stomach 15 bucks a month or dont like it , get a job and stop living off your parents...

    Case and point :)     Sad really.....  

    To the green portion I can agree with you but it's your tone... it's all wrong....  I also don't see many arguments claiming F2P has superior quality over P2P. I think a lot of people understand what they sacrifice for a game to be free. There are some delusional ones though I'll give you that. I do however (me included) see people argue over the lack of quality in P2P games on the market. But that's not saying F2P has superior quality. 

    To the yellow  I see you claim others try to rile up people yet you make this asinine statement. Hypocrisy...

    RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    A friend of mine tried Rift out recently.  She was excited first, and was all like "This will get the GW2 disappointment out of my mouth".  Less than a week later, she was back to GW2, and I watched on Skype screenshare as she deleted Rift from her pc lol.  I found it fun for longer than a week..... two, in fact.
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