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Since 2005 till today, is there a mmorpg better than GW2?

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  • HefaistosHefaistos BucharestPosts: 186Member

    Here is how i define a good game: The ammount of time i spend playing the game, monthly or over a year. A gamer will spend time in game if the game is good. Otherwise dude is playing for other reasons. For me a game is better then other because i like/dislike things ive seen in Daoc and FFXI

    Dark Age of Camelot - 4 years

    Final Fantasy XI - 6 months

    Swtor - 5 months

    WoW, Aoc, Warhammer - 3 months

    Everything else, EQ 1-2, Lineage series, GW1-2, Darkfall, FFXIV, and any mmo that really, really, counts 1month - max 2 months. After playing DAOC for 3 years on Mordred on FFA server  i moved to merlin for some rvr. Then ive missed FFA games and played FFXI for pve...then never ever found a game that hyped me more then 1 month. 

     

    God, i hope in this life i find a game that will beat the hell out of Daoc. Maybe Daoc2 ? Other game ?

     

    I really liked talking about DaoC else i would not made my 3rd post since 2004 :)

     

    ps: i will give another chance to DarkFall, FFXIV and all mmos when they will be live. Im so hungry for another mmo. 

     

  • NaeviusNaevius Houston, TXPosts: 334Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Simphanatic   OP's question is only another in an endless chain of "what games do you return to" ... "what's your favorite MMO" questions that beg nothing but subjective responses, none of which are terribly valid. And here's why they're invalid responses ...

    Agreed, it would be more interesting to look at some objective measures that make sense to players, like concurent users, or average time spent per player.

    (Note that "amount of money made" is an objective measure, but not very relevant to players.))

  • Baramos79Baramos79 Indianapolis, INPosts: 73Member
    Originally posted by Tayah
    For me, sadly, there hasn't been a really good mmo since Ultima Online, Dark Age of Camelot, and the original Asheron's Call.

    This one speaks the truth!

  • DuluDulu Orange Park, FLPosts: 57Member

    You're really reaching to make GW2 seem good.

     

    Yeah, it's better than the majority of crap released over the past 7 years. Personally, I found Rift and GW1 more enjoyable.

     

    Still doesn't compare to EQ, DAoC, or WoW.

     

    Happy?

  • AcvivmAcvivm Austin, TXPosts: 321Member Uncommon
    GW2 is a decent game but I don't think it is the best, I personally had way more fun leveling in SWTOR, LOTR and DCUO. For me the game broke down when the illusion of dynamic events wore away and it just never felt immersive for me. Instead of feeling like I was in a breathing world I felt more like I was in a game with how scripted everything was more than I ever did with any other mmo. I can see how people would like that but its just not for me, the game had the opposite effect on me in that all this running around for dynamic events felt like more of a grind then regular questing did.

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  • DavisFlightDavisFlight Talahasee, FLPosts: 2,556Member
    Originally posted by Acvivm
    GW2 is a decent game but I don't think it is the best, I personally had way more fun leveling in SWTOR, LOTR and DCUO. For me the game broke down when the illusion of dynamic events wore away and it just never felt immersive for me.

    And killing the same reskinned 10 wolves 1000 times for stationary NPCs with glowing objects over their heads was... MORE immersive?

  • JudgeUKJudgeUK Posts: 846Member Uncommon

    For me - Aion, played from original launch and still dabble with the ftp option.

    This was one of those famous "if only" games.

    If only they had  -> three things:

     - made pve servers - (still with dredgion and fort battles for those who wanted to do them). Still retained pvp servers of course.

     - got rid of the rng - (manastone socketing was a famous ragequit feature).

    - lessed the original grind a little - (but not by much).

    then it would have been far more successful than it was. Maybe it would still be ptp.

    As I said....if only.

     

  • AcvivmAcvivm Austin, TXPosts: 321Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by DavisFlight
    Originally posted by Acvivm
    GW2 is a decent game but I don't think it is the best, I personally had way more fun leveling in SWTOR, LOTR and DCUO. For me the game broke down when the illusion of dynamic events wore away and it just never felt immersive for me.

    And killing the same reskinned 10 wolves 1000 times for stationary NPCs with glowing objects over their heads was... MORE immersive?

    It is for me, from what I remember with GW2 you kill the same amount of reskinned enemies as in other mmos except instead of doing it for NPCs or to further a story your doing it because its there. I personally like questing hubs and feel they are more immersive because there is usually a story that is involved with the town or area that is conveyed through the quests given. I never felt like I was doing anything story related in GW except following the pack and killing enemies of which I have no idea of who they even are or why I am killing them.

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  • Alber_gamerAlber_gamer RomePosts: 557Member Uncommon

    I think "best" is the game that has you addicted for a larger number of hours, and when you log off you're looking forward to next time you'll have time to play. Under that criteria, and considering that I've played GW2 for 86 hours, it isn't even in my top 10 off the top of my head. Without counting WoW's several expansions, I've played 100+ hours:

     

    SW:TOR

    Aion

    Vanguard

    APB

    Rift

    Atlantica Online

    Allods

    Warhammer Online

    Dungeons and Dragons Online

     

     

    And that's not even counting co-operative games like League of Legends, Diablo III, Torchlight 2, Borderlands 1 and 2... or single plyer games like Mass Effect trilogy, Dragon Age 1 and 2, Oblivion, Morrowind, Skyrim, Fallout 3, Dungeons of Dredmor... the list goes on.

     

    So in short no, Guild Wars 2 isn't even my top 10 best mmo of the post-WoW era. It's still worth the money though, at least for people who have a job and can afford to take some extra enjoyment out of their money. 

    My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.

  • aesperusaesperus Hamshire, NVPosts: 5,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Acvivm
    Originally posted by DavisFlight
    Originally posted by Acvivm
    GW2 is a decent game but I don't think it is the best, I personally had way more fun leveling in SWTOR, LOTR and DCUO. For me the game broke down when the illusion of dynamic events wore away and it just never felt immersive for me.

    And killing the same reskinned 10 wolves 1000 times for stationary NPCs with glowing objects over their heads was... MORE immersive?

    It is for me, from what I remember with GW2 you kill the same amount of reskinned enemies as in other mmos except instead of doing it for NPCs or to further a story your doing it because its there. I personally like questing hubs and feel they are more immersive because there is usually a story that is involved with the town or area that is conveyed through the quests given. I never felt like I was doing anything story related in GW except following the pack and killing enemies of which I have no idea of who they even are or why I am killing them.

    Actually, no.

    GW2 has barely any 'reskinned' enemies from what I've seen. It has a lot of different types of enemies, and you may re-encounter them, but that's not the same as a reskin. Furthermore, the events that you do in GW2 DO have their own story to them. Each and every one of them. Just because people don't bother to follow the story doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    Furthermore, if you went back and read the quest text of some of those games you mentioned, a lot of it is pretty awful. Most people don't bring that up, though, because most people don't even bother to read the text. They just grind quest - quest from NPCs with a ! over there head.

    I enjoyed all 3 of the games you mention, but your logic is a bit flawed on this one.

  • tixylixtixylix gfff, TNPosts: 1,207Member Uncommon

    GW isn't an MMO.

     

     

  • botrytisbotrytis In Flux, MIPosts: 2,567Member
    Originally posted by tixylix

    GW isn't an MMO.

     

     

    GW1 is not it is a CORPG - GW2 IS AN MMO.

     

    Just for the records.

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    "In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
    by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  • FoomerangFoomerang Portland, ORPosts: 5,564Member Uncommon

    Anet is charging 60 bucks to play a game that launched with an rng cash shop. The question should have been is there an mmorpg since 2005 that is worse than GW2.

  • Kingmob23Kingmob23 LondonPosts: 77Member

    I voted no. I enjoyed and put more time in, prior to quitting, the following post 2005 releases.

    Warhammer Online

    Age of Conan

    DC Online

    Rift

    SWTOR

    The Secret World

    DDO

    Aion

    Lord of the Rings

    plus all post 2005 WoW expansions.

    My first MMO's were EQ and Asheron's Call which I  also loved more.

  • SuperXero89SuperXero89 Amory, MSPosts: 2,544Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by bcbully

    Here is the list. Take a look.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_games

    lol, I thought you were answering your own question for a second.

  • SpeedhaakSpeedhaak CorkPosts: 294Member
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by TeknoBug

    This is very interesting, many posters in this thread says TSW is the most enjoyable yet TSW is one of the least selling MMORPGs to date, and alot of other posters says they enjoy SWTOR- almost everyone I know (in guild, friend or personally) are sick of SWTOR and has moved on, and you can't ignore the major exodus SWTOR suffered early on. Seems posters on MMORPG.com are exactly the opposite of what's really going on in the MMORPG world.

     Perhaps that huge exodus includes people who liked the game but essentially "finished it".

     

    This last comment struck me. I always believed, since I started with MMOs back in 2002/2003, that the whole idea of the Massievly Multiplayer Online space was to allow it's users to engineer and conjur their own stories and fables as they journied with other like-minded individuals? Surely the very notion of 'structured' narrative defeats the purpose of an MMO in essence? Personally, I don't play MMOs for story, if I want a compelling story I will play one of a few games in an offline environment that offer me something worth while. 

    MMOs for me have always been about the lore, history and conflict that manifests itself as a result of player interaction. I think one of the largest catalysts for such is PvP as it -- ultimately -- has the most prfound affect on community interaction. Some of my best memories are from Lineage 2 and WoW's open world PvP which were at the time, rewardless, and your only motivation for participation was pride and revenge. Obviously we can never revert to those days as once Pandora's Box has been opened...

    Anyway, sorry, kinda deviated from the OP topic there. 

  • nsignificnsignific ljPosts: 212Member
    Originally posted by Speedhaak

    MMOs for me have always been about the lore, history and conflict that manifests itself as a result of player interaction. I think one of the largest catalysts for such is PvP as it -- ultimately -- has the most prfound affect on community interaction. Some of my best memories are from Lineage 2 and WoW's open world PvP which were at the time, rewardless, and your only motivation for participation was pride and revenge. Obviously we can never revert to those days as once Pandora's Box has been opened...

    Anyway, sorry, kinda deviated from the OP topic there. 

    I agree, I was flabbergasted by the argument that SW TOR is far superior to you-know-what because it has such a deep story driven experience.

    My first reaction was "but what happens when you finish it?".

     

    It's just not what an MMO is. You can try and force it, like SWTOR, but it won't be a MMO if that's your only redeeming feature.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,259Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dulu

    You're really reaching to make GW2 seem good.

     

    Yeah, it's better than the majority of crap released over the past 7 years. Personally, I found Rift and GW1 more enjoyable.

     

    Still doesn't compare to EQ, DAoC, or WoW.

     

    Happy?

    I should put that in my sig.

  • waterwizardwaterwizard Hixson, TNPosts: 33Member
    WAR is better. The events are real and mean more than GW2's.
  • RydesonRydeson Canton, OHPosts: 3,858Member Uncommon

    For my desires.. NO

         I would honestly say that results on this survey will differ depending on what you like more..  End Game grind or Exploration leveling..  For me since 2005, GW2 has the best pre-max level experience.. I enjoy GW2's PvP more as well.. I do not like esport arena type PvP, so doing short quick bg's is not my thing.. If you like end game grind of repeating the same dungeons and raids over and over just to get to the next higher tier gear, then GW2 may not be for you.. 

         If I could make any changes to GW2 it would be to ADD twice as many zones, and make leveling twice as long to max... The journey is why I play, not the end game destination..

  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member

    It seems people have a serious issue letting things go, haven't seen this thread in a long time now.

    Funny thing is the small number of people posting to threads like this one daily to keep it alive are the ones who are usually floating around trying to find an enjoyable enough game to keep them from having to browse the net. (Just woke up and eating breakfast)

    Seen people post how it's funny that what people are claiming on mmorpg.com is a complete antithesis to what's actually happening in the real world. Have to completely agree. Does anyone remember SWTOR? How a tiny fraction of us warned people against buying that game because we knew the design and the model would not last? Or how about MoP not quite so bad but it had REALLY low sales oddly huh. Guess no one pays attention. Anyway my point is this. The games people are listing that they consider better then GW2 are pretty much all gone for the most part, they've had their very short life span because of how terrible they are, they were so bad they couldn't hold subscription numbers beyond a tiny minimum required to keep them barely profitable. (mops not included in this subscription number thing) I've even seen posts listing games that have such terrible games from SOE and we all know how those turned out, so bad that they are claiming to do a complete redo of how they even handle mmo's.

    So the people posting to this thread about how horrible GW2 is I have to ask, is it really the game? really? or is it you? I'm sure when you honestly examine the info available in an objective and logical view you'll see, it's not the game :)

    Have a good morning folks.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,259Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by SuperXero89
    Originally posted by bcbully

    Here is the list. Take a look.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_games

    lol, I thought you were answering your own question for a second.

    lol, don't let them fool you I ain't taht bad ;)

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,259Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by itgrowls

    It seems people have a serious issue letting things go, haven't seen this thread in a long time now.

    Funny thing is the small number of people posting to threads like this one daily to keep it alive are the ones who are usually floating around trying to find an enjoyable enough game to keep them from having to browse the net. (Just woke up and eating breakfast)

    Seen people post how it's funny that what people are claiming on mmorpg.com is a complete antithesis to what's actually happening in the real world. Have to completely agree. Does anyone remember SWTOR? How a tiny fraction of us warned people against buying that game because we knew the design and the model would not last? Or how about MoP not quite so bad but it had REALLY low sales oddly huh. Guess no one pays attention. Anyway my point is this. The games people are listing that they consider better then GW2 are pretty much all gone for the most part, they've had their very short life span because of how terrible they are, they were so bad they couldn't hold subscription numbers beyond a tiny minimum required to keep them barely profitable. (mops not included in this subscription number thing) I've even seen posts listing games that have such terrible games from SOE and we all know how those turned out, so bad that they are claiming to do a complete redo of how they even handle mmo's.

    So the people posting to this thread about how horrible GW2 is I have to ask, is it really the game? really? or is it you? I'm sure when you honestly examine the info available in an objective and logical view you'll see, it's not the game :)

    Have a good morning folks.

    Distortion of fact like the first highlight, and it can't be the game statements like the last helped build the hype train which lead to the dissappointment of a lot of gamers, imo.

  • RimmersmanRimmersman MonacoPosts: 885Member
    Originally posted by itgrowls

    I've even seen posts listing games that have such terrible games from SOE and we all know how those turned out, so bad that they are claiming to do a complete redo of how they even handle mmo's.

    Think you will find that most(i'm a SOE subcriber since 1999) who have played SOE games like EQ-EQ2-SWG had no problem with the games, some have problems with certain updates to those games but in their original forms they were very good mmos. You might want to look that up.

    SOE are not redoing MMOs because of their MMOs it more to do with the boring same old we have been given for years, GW2 being the latest.

     

    So the people posting to this thread about how horrible GW2 is I have to ask, is it really the game? really? or is it you? I'm sure when you honestly examine the info available in an objective and logical view you'll see, it's not the game :)

    You could say the same about the people posting in this thread saying how wonderful GW2 is.

    Have a good morning folks.

    Have a good day.

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  • Crunchy222Crunchy222 new york, ILPosts: 386Member

    IMO GW2 is the best mmorpg out there for people who dislike RPG's.  For me GW2 was the epitome of everything i find wrong with modern mmorpgs, however a great action game with little point other than just going through the motions.

     

    GW2 does however provide a good service of hopefully keeping player out of my game that will constantly whine about anything involving effort, cries to make it all easier and more accessable to a casual soloer, and remove any long term goals that may disatisfy these players due to them requiering more than a month of play to achieve.

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