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What is it about EVE that keeps people playing?

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  • AdamaiAdamai derbyPosts: 469Member

    Ive been playing eve since 2007. for me it has to be the endless possibilities in which you can choose and i mean litterally choose to play eve. there are no boundries or class restrictions. no level restricted items or areas. you can go and do anything you want right from the momment you start playing the game.

     

    you can be anything you want, anything you can imagine.

     

    pirate

    miner

    trader

    soldier

    fleet commander

    corporation leader

    alliance leader

    assasin

    explorer

    banker

    protector

    mercenary

    loan shark

    scoundrel

    theif

    scammer

    murderer

    researcher

    builder

    player structures specialist

    in charge of a small gang of elite pvpers

    tactical planner

    diplomat

    politician

    recruiter

    covert operations

    espionage

    spying

     

    or all of the above at the same time.

     

    all of the above are sort after play styles in eve.

    what ever you can think of you can apply it to eve.

    also. you can build empires. or you can climb the ranks of a player empire and make your self well known and even famous in eve.

     

    and you can also be a lone player doing your own things for your self. 

     

     

    it truely is an amazing game. forget wow,sto,lotro,swg,swtor and all those other fancy looking games. they have absolutely nothing to offer you compaired to eve. once you have speant a year in eve, you will find it very difficult to enjoy another game. well i do.. i used to love those simplton games like wow and guildwars. sto city of heroes.. then i tried eve. and i havnt put it down since. seriously guys the games just genius.

     

    i dont reccomend it to children, eve has a huge learning curve. and it takes time and patience to get into it. it also simulates real loss and violence. alot of anger in the game. alot of sickness too. so keep your kids away. unless you dont mind that kind of corruption.

  • daltaniousdaltanious waPosts: 2,144Member Uncommon
    Is real mistery to me what people find fun in EVE past first few hours of gameplay ... but I never wished doom to any game that was not to my liking. As said, ever game have somebody that love it, enjoy it a lot.
  • haplo602haplo602 Posts: 212Member Uncommon
    The endless options at your disposal. I am playing on and off since 2005. I have yet to do about half the content available.
  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Isn't what "keeps most people playing" any game 'a temporary use for excess leisure time'?

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • william0532william0532 portland, ORPosts: 251Member

    Different reasons for different people. The only reason I play it off and on is because there isn't a good sci fi option out there. (I'm scared of elves!)

    If EVE had dogfighting and not facerolling the number keys while you watch tv combat, I would write CCP a blank check. Other than that, it's the only real sandbox option out there.

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member

    I don't understand the appeal of the game, but I imagine it attracts people that are less interested in "gaming" and more interested in it as a hobby or competition.  What's really interesting about it is that it has an almost entirely adult playerbase, yet they all seem to have a 4chan-meets-CoD mentality.  A little funny and a little sad, but it seems to be the norm for PvP games.

    I really wanted to enjoy it, but the thrill of traveling through space quickly died off as I started having to pay attention to things like approach speeds and all the spreadsheets the game has.  It's very heavily data-driven, which is the last thing I want to come home to after 10 or 12 hours of coding or systems analytics.

    A good friend of mine plays it pretty heavily though, and it's really fun listening to him talk about the game.

    You make me like charity

  • MalcanisMalcanis LondonPosts: 3,191Member
    Originally posted by Quirhid
    Originally posted by RefMinor
    Originally posted by Quirhid
    Originally posted by Karahandras

    Ignore the niche etc comments as it has more subs than most themeparks combined.

    Oh wow. If someone didn't know any better they'd believe you.

    There is only a handful of themeparks with more subscribers than EvE.

    Yeah, and Eve is the only high profile sandbox in the market.

    So what? that doesn't change the plain, unvarnished fact that it has more subs than ~95% of the "themepark" MMOs. EVE really is a bit too big nowadays to write handwave away as "niche".

    There are so many different playstyles that can be accomodated within EVE that perhaps you could call it "multi-niche" if that makes you happy. Start now - it'll be indisputably true when Dust 514 launches anyway, so you'll be able to claim that you were ahead of the crowd.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • MalcanisMalcanis LondonPosts: 3,191Member
    Originally posted by johnjec

     

    Thanks for all of the replies. In reading these posts there are two things that become apparent. First, when it comes to MMO's and PVP, I always picture a guy with a sword jumping over me, bunny hopping around trying to kill me. I don't think that is what EVE is about. I get the impetion that decisions have to be well thought out and personality does matter. Secondly, I also get the impretion that you guys are not 12 and 14 years old. Instead of being barraged my meaningless antics, it seems there is a level of maturity in this community. I'm also thinking that if there are indeed particular people in the game that control vast areas of space and wealth, it may also stand to reason that these people are probably a cut above the rest in real life. Is this possible? Jut my .02

    Yes and no. A certain amount of competence is needed by the leadership of an alliance for that alliance to prevail in 0.0, but the game makes it easy to keep trying and failing badly. There are certainly plenty of idiots in EVE, but at least in EVE idiots are a valuable resource for the clever players, as well as an endless fount of entertainment.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • loulakiloulaki PatrasPosts: 918Member

    the only thing prevent me plays EVE, is the monthly sub ...

     

    i believe its the best MMO out there, i have played it for 4 months its awesome but i am lazy :P

     

    i would like to keep flying and scanning systems ...

    btw there is no other "space" MMO like EVE, SWtoR has no connection ..!

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  • MalcanisMalcanis LondonPosts: 3,191Member
    Originally posted by loulaki

    the only thing prevent me plays EVE, is the monthly sub ...

     

    i believe its the best MMO out there, i have played it for 4 months its awesome but i am lazy :P

     

    i would like to keep flying and scanning systems ...

    btw there is no other "space" MMO like EVE, SWtoR has no connection ..!

     

    Well, EVE does have a viable "free to play" option available to you. If you can scrape up 20 million ISK per day (about 30-40 minutes of level 4 missions), then you have it covered.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • mastersomratmastersomrat Saint Charles, MOPosts: 368Member
    I've tried EVE three times now and the three factors that keep me from play to long are: Training method, ship bound and travel.  While the time based training methos is interesting, it has and major flaws.  From its name, it takes time and I mean alot of it (years to train everything).  I'm sure there a many better methods for this.  After all it is a game, therefore intented to be fun and waiting foreevveeerrr is no fun.  Travel is another problem directly related to time.  While I enjoy the epicness of EVE's size, to go from one side of EVE's universe to the other with the most advance ship would still take daysssss.  Again, this is not a game buster but it does make time restrained folks out of the loop for many things.  And of course the stuck to ship ordeal.  Again not a game buster but many like myself like to feel my feet on the ground (yes I know you can no walk around your docking quarters.  imo  ;o)  
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,649Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Phaserlight
    Vendetta Online has a substantial population and has been growing, particularly with the advent of the mobile build.

    Played on both PC and Android. My hat's off to whoever can PVP while playing on the Andriod. Other than that, it's a great port.

     

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,649Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mastersomrat
    While I enjoy the epicness of EVE's size, to go from one side of EVE's universe to the other with the most advance ship would still take daysssss. 

    I'm not even going to ask why you have a need to travel the width of the universe with any amount of regularity (or even at all), but if you give me your start and end points and I'll show you how to get to your destination in under 45 minutes.

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • johnjecjohnjec Veradale, WAPosts: 18Member

    "EVE seems way too "Hardcore" to me. ;/"

     

    I'll be honest. that is what has kept me out. I did get the nerve to try it one day but just getting the game setup and figure out takes a huge commitment of time and energy. I picture myself as a rookie who has been given a small ship with the whole universe to contend with. It has kept me out thus far, BUT reading this thread is changing me. It is still a vast undertaking but this is not an MMO of pre teen geeks grounded for the weekend. These are real people who want a bigger challenge than killing 10 tigers and bringing the fur back to Eloise.

  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by johnjec

    I'll be honest. that is what has kept me out. I did get the nerve to try it one day but just getting the game setup and figure out takes a huge commitment of time and energy. I picture myself as a rookie who has been given a small ship with the whole universe to contend with. It has kept me out thus far,

    well you're not wrong. that's exactly how you start.

     

    coming from WoW I thought I'd hate it. i was sure I'd hate it. yet for months this happened?

     

    someone asks for a cool feature in an MMO. I think "this is awesome, let's see replies".

     

    each topic had a "doesnt really exist, maybe eve online is closest".

     

    so i did the trial. Still thinking I'd hate it. No shield, no sword, hell no character. 2 days into my 15 day trial I was subbed.

     

    They said "do the tutorial". Maybe i should have...but I didn't want to quest. I can quest in WoW. No, I wanted to mine. So I went on a mining spree for a week. 3 years later i'm still mining. It's not all I'm doing but its my #1 activity. I mine, build things, sell things, watch pvp'ers break them and come looking for more. It's awesome. meanwhile i sit back all cozy and safe making a fortune.

     

    thinknig about some ORE mining lasers...there just arent that many ways to pimp out a mining ship. I need a way to tell he who eventually kills my mining ship that "yes, I'm that rich".

     

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  • atticusbcatticusbc Posts: 1,067Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by johnjec

    I'll be honest. that is what has kept me out. I did get the nerve to try it one day but just getting the game setup and figure out takes a huge commitment of time and energy. I picture myself as a rookie who has been given a small ship with the whole universe to contend with. It has kept me out thus far, BUT reading this thread is changing me. It is still a vast undertaking but this is not an MMO of pre teen geeks grounded for the weekend. These are real people who want a bigger challenge than killing 10 tigers and bringing the fur back to Eloise.

    honestly the best way to stop eve from being so daunting is to take it slow. set yourself a goal or two, especially one involving skill training (mine was to be able to fly a hurricane). hang out in high sec. it's not really that scary once you get going.

  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon

    I have a story about EVE being overwhelming. :)

     

    I afk on a titan, mis the jump. long story short I'm alone and the 200+ players in my fleet are 8 jumps away. I decide to go by gate to regroup.

     

    I jump into one system and as I load in...150-some enemy players all on the gate. I'm in a drake. (fairly slow ship).

     

    Soooo...I have 30 secons of cloak. no way to warp out. no way to burn back. and certainly no way to fight them off.

     

    normally I' be afraid and panick in these situations. but not this time. I realise I'm so beyond dead that there's no point to try to escape. and in the calm that set as life flashed before my eyes I realise i only have one decision. Whatever I decide in the next few seconds is the only decision I'll get. So I decide to do...the unconventional. I start typing in local:

     

    "you gonna die, homie. Hide your children,  hide your wives. we're coming for you".

     

    They all jump through the gate. My cloak expires, i warp safely away.

     

    Yes, I bluffed them all. The fleet that I was rying to reach made it possible for me to pretend I'm the warpin and all of my fleetmaes are going to land on top of them any second.

     

    moral of the story: don't fear. Fear is the mind killer. Take it easy, odds are you're already dead. :D

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  • johnjecjohnjec Veradale, WAPosts: 18Member
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    Originally posted by johnjec

    I'll be honest. that is what has kept me out. I did get the nerve to try it one day but just getting the game setup and figure out takes a huge commitment of time and energy. I picture myself as a rookie who has been given a small ship with the whole universe to contend with. It has kept me out thus far,

    well you're not wrong. that's exactly how you start.

     

    coming from WoW I thought I'd hate it. i was sure I'd hate it. yet for months this happened?

     

    someone asks for a cool feature in an MMO. I think "this is awesome, let's see replies".

     

    each topic had a "doesnt really exist, maybe eve online is closest".

     

    so i did the trial. Still thinking I'd hate it. No shield, no sword, hell no character. 2 days into my 15 day trial I was subbed.

     

    They said "do the tutorial". Maybe i should have...but I didn't want to quest. I can quest in WoW. No, I wanted to mine. So I went on a mining spree for a week. 3 years later i'm still mining. It's not all I'm doing but its my #1 activity. I mine, build things, sell things, watch pvp'ers break them and come looking for more. It's awesome. meanwhile i sit back all cozy and safe making a fortune.

     

    thinknig about some ORE mining lasers...there just arent that many ways to pimp out a mining ship. I need a way to tell he who eventually kills my mining ship that "yes, I'm that rich".

     

    So you are not really into PVP but still enjoy the game? Very cool. I seem myself doing something similar. I love mining, gathering, etc.

    And even better if I can make money at it.

     

  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon

    yes I'm not a pvp'er. it'd be a lie to pretend otherwise.

    I pvp on occasion when big operations happen but it's nowhere near my focus in the game.

     

    I did save another industrial pilot today who got caught in an orca by a frigate. (super-huge ship but no defenses under attack by a tiny yet fairly strong enemy ship).

     

     

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  • johnjecjohnjec Veradale, WAPosts: 18Member
    Let me ask this. Where does a rookie start? Is there a site that offers all of the information I will ever need or does that not exist? When I start the game, am I turly aone? Like me against the world until I ally with someone? Just want to know if there is somewhere I can go to learn before actully embarking aimlessly. Thanks.
  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon

    well quite the contrary. you'll be in a fairly high-population system. At least i was as Amarr.

     

    you're dead-center in the middle of the safest highest-security system that your faction owns. Like the ...'emperor's throne homeworld'.

     

    exactly where you start...randomly in space in that system. due to how warping vs flying works, it can be just about anywhere.

     

    Eve's map is basically highest security in middle, surrounded by a strip of low-security systems, and the edges of the universe on all sides are the no-security zones.

     

    so you start very centrally, and often the starting systems are very close - if not themselves - big trading hubs.

     

    why is Jita a system with 2000 players in it at any time? at one point many years ago a bunch of players decied that's the system they want to conduct business in. Any other system worked fine, this one was jsut very close to their interests as well as to Caldari starting zone.

     

    you start by default in a NPC corp with other players who arent in a player corp. But I, and probably all of us here, reccomend finding a player corp early. the ammount of information that you can absorb just by listening to them chat is endless. Things you'd never think about searching on your own. There's various nebie-training corps in EVE, and high-end pvp alliances like to have their own newbie-training corps too. Everyone needs +1 pilots in his fleet. :D

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  • jackocompjackocomp SydneyPosts: 32Member Uncommon

    Having played EVE for more than 6 years I think EVE has become very stagnent & lacking in new content for players that have played for more than a few months.

    Why do I keep playing? Well I play now mainly for the social interaction & the great fights we still have once or twice a week. If not for these 2 things I would of already done what many have & are still doing. Leave the game for better cheaper pastures.

    Personally at this time I wouldn't recommend EVE to even my worst enemies, the gameplay has become boring & any new content that is being brought into the game is more often than not aimed at New Players rather than the older Vets etc.

    As for the skills, There was an article a few years back where one of the developers said it would take in excess of 25 years to train ALL the available skills to level 5 on a single character. Luckily there is no single character that would need or want to have all the available skills trained to level 5 on the one character. This is because some of the skills would be of no use at all to some players that are not using the aspects of the game that require those skills. (eg. Industry based gameplay character has little use for being able to fly & use all the ships in the game, where a PVP based character would)

    A new players character starting from scratch will take at least a few months before they can effectively fly a lot of the bigger ships as flying to the ship requires the use of weapons & other modules that are installed onto the ship to help it work & do the things you want it to do. When people I talk to ask I often tell them it wil take about 6 months before they will be able to use the better modules & ships etc. image

    Penalties for dying in EVE can be very harsh, as any ship that is destroyed is gone forever & anything that was in or installed on the ship also has a high chance of being destroyed or if not destroyed taken by other players from the ships wreck (Looting & salvaging). If a player has failed to keep their Medical Clone up to date for the amount of skillpoints the character has & the character is POD Killed also the character WILL lose a certain amount of SkillPoints from the highest level skill the player has trained. To get them back the player has to re-train the skill which can take more than a month to do depending on the skill. It's easy to avoid having this happen by just keeping a Med Clone up to date which can cost anything from just under 1 million ISK to over 120 million ISK. 

    There are a whole heap of other issues within the game as well that range from groups of players using illegal code to bypass other players security at things like POS's etc. (POS = Player Owned Structure, looks like a stick in space with a bubble around it) to the same groups of players doing other crap like DDOS attacks on TeamSpeak servers etc

    The multiple account part is because in EVE it can be very hard to move certain ships without 2nd characters, a lot of people also have their accounts setup where they have one account for their industrial stuff, another one or 5 for their PVP stuff & others for things like Planetary Interaction etc.

    As for being stuck in a space ship, well in a lot of MMO's where your not just a walking character your stuck inside something. eg. Need For Speed World = stuck in a car, World of Tanks = Stuck in Tank, World of WarPlanes = Stuck in Plane etc etc etc.

    If your thinking of trying the game make use of the FREE Trial, but understand that the system requirements for EVE are quite high when compared to most other MMO's, & although slower systems will run the game you will always be at a disadvantage if it takes too long to load solar system etc when your moving around in space.

    NEW PLAYERS please check your system requirements are right & remember that EVE is very resource intensive at times.

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,988Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by mastersomrat
    While I enjoy the epicness of EVE's size, to go from one side of EVE's universe to the other with the most advance ship would still take daysssss. 

    I'm not even going to ask why you have a need to travel the width of the universe with any amount of regularity (or even at all), but if you give me your start and end points and I'll show you how to get to your destination in under 45 minutes.

    Without moving through lowsec? image

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
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    Still currently "subscribed" to EVE, and only EVE!!!
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  • RobokappRobokapp Dublin, OHPosts: 5,205Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by mastersomrat
    While I enjoy the epicness of EVE's size, to go from one side of EVE's universe to the other with the most advance ship would still take daysssss. 

    I'm not even going to ask why you have a need to travel the width of the universe with any amount of regularity (or even at all), but if you give me your start and end points and I'll show you how to get to your destination in under 45 minutes.

    Without moving through lowsec? image

    it's possible, but systems that jump straight from high-sec to null-sec are the most violent systems imaginable.

    HED and EC- are two I know of.

     

    the 'stuck in ship' comment...my wow character is stuck in his armor. what's the difference? I can fly without a ship in my pod, I can run around without armor in my undies. /shrug.

     

    one more thing before I stop hugging this topic:

     

    here's a very oldl video of pvp...newbie pvp. less-than-one-week players basically. sounds and graphics may be very different now but the general idea is clear.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y8MBJ-aeEI

    he engaged 1 v 3, wasn't pointed, he could've ran out, chose to turn off his armor rep and ... that many bad decisions can only lead one way.

     

    more realistically a fight will look more like this - at semi-newbie level. except without the horrible UI all over the screen.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9aOhSBhgsw

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  • daltaniousdaltanious waPosts: 2,144Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by haplo602
    The endless options at your disposal. I am playing on and off since 2005. I have yet to do about half the content available.

    And what EXACTLY are - name at least few of them - this "endless" options.. Tried I think 3 times for few days each time (having nothing else to do or because of fans, just to try) but all was just boring mining and traveling. Actually leveling have been occuring when offline.

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