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“You can't cheat an honest man. He has to have larceny in his heart in the first place.” W. C. Fields
It isn't an ethical discussion as much as a common sense reminder, imo.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Information from elsewhere...
With the introduction of the new Halloween items inside Black Lion chests I wanted to create a thread dedicated to providing the playerbase with accurate data & determining the % chance of acquiring said skins. If you decide to contribute I must ask "Please only provide factual data & do not exaggerate/inflate numbers" Provided the vast majority of submitted data is correct we can begin to determine the actual % chance a player has of acquiring said skins per chest.As a additional study, please also report if you loot one of the other new items that have been added recently. Permanent Bank, Permanent Black Lion Trader etcUnfortunately at this time I cannot contribute personally as I am at work, but feel free to add your own. I will do my best to update daily provided the opportunity arises.Black Lion Chests Opened: 392Probability of a Halloween skin using current sample data: .01531 Halloween Greatsword1 Halloween Staff2 Halloween Dagger1 Halloween Scythe1 Halloween Medium Avian Shoulder1 Permanent Bank1 Permanent Trader
Originally posted by khameleon Originally posted by Loke666 Originally posted by bcbully Pretty crazy that people are supporting the system and flaming those who lost money.
They sell rather useless junk keys, why would the rest of us care?
It is a fun game and you really dont need this stuff. Or you could farm the keys just like anything else, or buy it for real money.
As I see it they pay the money I would pay for monthly fees for me, thankyou guys.
And they havnt actually lost money, they bought stuff for it. They knew what they were buying. No one feels sorry for me when I buy Guiness for my money. No one forced either of us.
And it is not like they actually got better characters for this, but they already knew that one they bought their keys.
So what is your problem? People dont whine when someone buy a new flying mounts in Wow or whatever.
This game is only played mostly for cosmetic looks. There is no other thing to do endgame than get cool looking sets. The PVP is optional and nothing else to play for really once you get to 80.
Also, no lions arch is not ever full, no town or city is FULL. You see more people there, but people are never standing around looking at your armor in cities.
So, you would want these armor sets to run around in and look cool for yourself while you are in dungeons and farming and etc.
Town clothes is garbage. They have sets in the store now that work in combat, why not make the halloween sets the same so us that want them in combat can use them>?
AHH - I get booted to LA overflow everytime I go there on Gandara. SO yes the town is full
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Originally posted by bcbully Didn't they think people would talk about this? I wonder how many lil jimmys are going nuts "Just 10 more dollars PLEASE!!!" They should have given people the option to sub and avoid this kind of thing.
Like in TSW where I can avoid the cash shop if I sub... oh wait. nvm.
Originally posted by colddog04 I hate their town clothes sytem. The entire town clothes system in general is full retard IMO.
I agree. Why the hell would I switch out of my armour? I guess it's for the hardcore RP crowd, but defnitely not for me. I like how it worked in GW1 where my costume overrides my armour, not negates it.
Originally posted by Vesavius Originally posted by Jyiiga Originally posted by colddog04 Originally posted by Vesavius Originally posted by colddog04 I completely agree. DO NOT BUY KEYS!!! THEY ARE A RIPOFF. THE GAME IS PERFECTLY PLAYABLE AND AWESOME WITHOUT BUYING ANYTHING FROM THE SHOP. SKINS TAKE TIME AND MONEY TO AQUIRE. Once again... DO NOT BUY KEYS!!! THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH WORTHLESS.
ahh, sorry, I misunderstood you.
Another thing is that I was gonna sell my stock of chests in this event and this super low rate has apparently killed the market
Really? I think you should hold out a tittle longer. I respected your thread and your prediction as well that prices were going to go up. I still think they will to be honest.
The BLCs didn't go up in price from 16 cp a piece?
No it appears they capped out value wise right before the event. Now they are back down to 8-9c and will likely drop. The early adopters should be thanked in this case. We spent our money and took our chances. We all know the drop rate is bawls now.
No one is buying those freaking keys now. I'm in a guild with like 250 members.. and everytime someone logs on to ask about the chests (first time logging on for the event).. They get spammed with DONT BUY ANY ITS A RIP OFF!
Correction.. dropped to 6c in the last hour.
This drop rate is actually causing quite a lot of bad feeling already... which is a shame because the event itself is awesome.
The falling price of the chests is a very good indicator as to how a lot of folks are seeing this situation I think. It's obvious most are choosing to simply not engage in something that they were previously excited about (gaining those skins I mean).
The price of chests has not dropped at all - it's UP. At 6 copper, the price of chests is 3X what it was before the announcement of the chests having event items. That's how speculation works. Anyone that invested in the chests a 2 copper has long since cleaned up and moved on.
Any volatile trading, especially trading based on news and perceived demand is over before most people even knew it started. This is true whether you're trading Gobs of Ectoplasm, Sticks of Butter, BLCs or even real-life stocks and currency.
When the news hits that something might be in demand, a lot of people buy it up. There are multiple reasons for it. The top ones are:
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Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by colddog04 I hate their town clothes sytem. The entire town clothes system in general is full retard IMO.
I will try to find where the comment was, but I remember reading something about how there are plans and content for town clothes but they were not able to get it in by the release date so they held off further development on it until later.
Originally posted by Loktofeit Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by colddog04 I hate their town clothes sytem. The entire town clothes system in general is full retard IMO.
That's good to hear because I am more inclined to buy an armour skin I can use in combat like GW1 than just one for town. I'm actually thinking about buying my GW1 characters a skin this year, but I usually wait until Christmas instead of Halloween.
Official forums thread is at 760 post and 26k views.
That drop rate is unfortunate. Cash shop items with rng attached is also unfortunate. Reading a lot of these replies, im a little baffled by the number of people defending this type of revenue model.
The people that are "smart enough" to not spend a dime seem to also be ridiculing the "suckers" that are throwing down cash. This is your game community? Thats not good. This cash shop will only breed animosity on a server.
Originally posted by Jyiiga Originally posted by Sigilaea Originally posted by Loke666 Originally posted by Hokie Well whatever it is, we better start our ramen diets now so we can save enough money to buy gems so we can then turn around and buy keys. My favorite is shrimp, whats yours?
It is just skins you know, and you can actually farm keys, you have 2 months. I have gotten 30 keys in 2 months without bothering to farm them, and it seems I been a bit unlucky even.
Or farm gold instead and buy the keys, each key will cost you about 75 silver so you can easily get 2 keys a day without any specific farming tricks not including drops. Then you get a key in every second chest or so as well.
Besides, this is useless crap. Skins matter little or not at all (my HoM sword skin give my swords fire damage which matters a little, it is the only skin I have with some use).
But sure, if you must have them, enjoy your ramen.
Where are you farming keys? I have played since opening day and I have 2 level 80 characters. I have a total of 11 keys and nearly 60 chests.
There is no realiable location to farm them. They drop at the rate of epic world drops in WoW (hardly ever). Beyond that zone completion will sometimes net you one.
That's what I thought. Ironically, I haven't had anything decent come out of one yet. Not anything I wanted anyway.
Originally posted by Bad.dog I'm not able to grasp these post ....Do I need a pumpkin head to pvp or level another toon to 80 ?
You don't even need good gear to do that, you can PvP with no gear at all.
I don't really care what people spend their money on. But it is always the same complaints with these kind of lottery things. A lot of ppl just don't seem to grasp the idea of what random actually means. It means there is no guarantee that you get what you want. Not if you open 5 chests and not if you open 500 chests. Besides the other items from the chests are intended rewards too. That you don't want them is just bad luck for you.
It sucks to have bad luck, but lashing out at Anet over this is just silly. Not that I am a fan of this method, but it is not as if those skins are only obtainable from chests that you have to open yourself. Ppl simply got kicked in the back by their own greed.
Originally posted by VirgoThree Originally posted by biggarfoot Originally posted by Loke666 Originally posted by Hokie Well whatever it is, we better start our ramen diets now so we can save enough money to buy gems so we can then turn around and buy keys. My favorite is shrimp, whats yours?
Loke I call BS on getting 30 keys drop, I have been playing the same length of time and with 2 lvl 80's and 3 other alts, I have never had a key drop, only as rewards from personal story or map completion.
There are also youngsters that have probably spent their pocket money (allowance) on buying keys to open these chests and being young and emotional on things like this are pretty well upset and damn right they should be.
The keys do drop. You just seem to be very unlucky. They aren't common by any stretch but they are there. My highest is around 60 and I've had about 9 key drops and then I've had the ones from personal story rewards like you mentioned.
Then i'd call you lucky, I have a level 80 elementalist with 390 hours played and i've never owned a black lion key.
Originally posted by Pivotelite Then i'd call you lucky, I have a level 80 elementalist with 390 hours played and i've never owned a black lion key.
You get one key, at the very beginning of every personal story. Not sure exactly what level. 8 or 12, something like that. Least that's been my experience, with seven alts. Other than that.. think maybe I got a key once or twice as a zone completion reward. Never as loot.
Never got anything from the chests I opened, though. Transformation tonics, single-use insta-bank access golem. Worthless crap like that. Never a permement item of any kind, or anything of that nature. Struck me as pretty odd that anyone would spend a dime on any of it.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Originally posted by Vhaln Originally posted by Pivotelite Then i'd call you lucky, I have a level 80 elementalist with 390 hours played and i've never owned a black lion key.
Linking to other thread that had the big important update in it, that deserved its own thread. Since it would help people to take notice and hang onto their items.
This is going to be the combination in the forge all those silly Black Lion Chest items.
“Our Halloween celebrations are in full swing, costume brawls are aplenty and the Shadow of the Mad King is falling across Tyria. Because we are as excited as you are, we will add another opportunity for you to get shiny Halloween goodies.
You will be glad to hear that we are adding recipes to the Mystic Forge that will allow you to throw stuff you get from the Black Lion Chests into it to get a special Halloween chest (no key needed for this one). These chests will include Halloween specific loot and give you a second chance to get one of the terrifying, rare Halloween skins. Here is the recipe we will add:
You need 1 Candy Corn, 6 Mystery Tonics, 1 Boost (any), 1 Boost (any) to get a Mad King Chest.
We hope you like this gruesome addition, we will let you know immediately when they will be in the game – enjoy the celebrations!”
Repeat (COMING SOON - NOT YET IN GAME)
Originally posted by Jyiiga This is going to be the combination in the forge all those silly Black Lion Chest items. “Our Halloween celebrations are in full swing, costume brawls are aplenty and the Shadow of the Mad King is falling across Tyria. Because we are as excited as you are, we will add another opportunity for you to get shiny Halloween goodies. You will be glad to hear that we are adding recipes to the Mystic Forge that will allow you to throw stuff you get from the Black Lion Chests into it to get a special Halloween chest (no key needed for this one). These chests will include Halloween specific loot and give you a second chance to get one of the terrifying, rare Halloween skins. Here is the recipe we will add: You need 1 Candy Corn, 6 Mystery Tonics, 1 Boost (any), 1 Boost (any) to get a Mad King Chest. We hope you like this gruesome addition, we will let you know immediately when they will be in the game – enjoy the celebrations!” Repeat (COMING SOON - NOT YET IN GAME)
well there you go what people wanted another way to get skins and one related to the event
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I'll certainly let people know how it goes after this is in effect.
Originally posted by Jyiiga I'll certainly let people know how it goes after this is in effect.
assuming the 141 is mystery tonic looks like 23 chances to get a skin.. good luck:)