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Do you feel that GW2 deserves the critical acclaim it's gotten from the press and gaming sites?

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  • aphydorkaphydork Boring, ORPosts: 133Member

    What they do with the feedback is what matters. We can't really tell how well they'll handle changes until the first major patch.

    From what I've seen, they tend to overdo things or do nothing at all. Fine-tuning is an art that they're a bit clumsy in at the moment.

  • The_KorriganThe_Korrigan EastPosts: 2,630Member
    Originally posted by aphydork

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    Oh yes, I remember the "you are not in Azeroth anymore" advertisement campain. That was very humble indeed.

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  • The_KorriganThe_Korrigan EastPosts: 2,630Member
    Originally posted by Aerowyn 

    i see your point.. although see theirs as well.. mostly people view carrot/stick games as synonymous with gear treadmills it's sort of the defining feature of that type of game and always has been imho. Not sure on the block though.. i just read several of your posts and don't really see any reason why someone would need to block you

    I tried to explain several times that the "eternal grind", in GW2, was only optional. He ignored what I was saying to repeat the same stuff again. There's no third time, I won't waste more of my time arguing with someone who doesn't listen.

    Fact is there's no mandatory grind at 80 in GW2 to be/remain competitive, neither PvE nor PvP wise. Anyone pretending otherwise is not telling the truth, and I don't see why I would waste time arguing with someone who uses flawed argumentation and wrong facts as basis and doesn't even read what I'm saying.

    If you wonder why I don't answer your posts, it's most likely because you are on my block list - so don't waste your time.

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  • korent1991korent1991 CakovecPosts: 1,390Member
    Originally posted by Zorgo
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Zorgo
     

    I like GW2.

    It does not contain the elements I look for to consider it a true 'mmorpg'. Although technically it is,it is far from my conception of what one should be.

     

    See, now I'm thinking that concept is becoming a defining hurdle that is holding the genre back.  I've been playing since way back when and what I think made the early games great and hold such esteem in our memories is that people playing didn't really think about the "mmorpg" concept.

    People played games because they were fun, they were online, and it was so different from single player gaming.  People weren't trying to see if a game fit some preconceved notion that has so many diverse interpretations.

    I think we should stop worrying about that stuff and start encouraging game design that is fun.  With bandwidth becoming so cheap and easy more and more stuff is becoming massively multi-player and online.  How about that Star Citizen?  Roberts said it's not going to be just an MMO, but a much more encompassing gameplay experience.  Why limit ourselves to concepts that were narrowly defined by techonological limitations.

    As to the carrot/stick.  I can see that as dangling an incentive, but in the context of the genre it is typically understood to be a reference to the gear treadmill.  So in the respect that they dangle incentives out in front of us to pursue, then yeah, GW2 has that in spade.  Lost of interesting things I want to accomplish in this game.  On the other hand if it's meant to imply the same sort of continually out of reach satisfaction that gear progression creates then I would disagree.

    Y'know, I really agree. 

    It is really difficult to not come off as elitist when talking about the 'concept' of what makes an 'mmorpg'.

    I understand that often when people say, 'It's not an mmorpg" they mean that as a slight, as derogatory. 

    And if it seems like it is a slight to gw2, it isn't;  it's a disappointment, because I thought that it might. It is a great game for what it is, but it simply isn't what i hoped it would be. 

    I should be careful to qualify, that, even though a game doesn't fit my conception of a mmorpg, itdoesn't mean I dislike the game. In fact, I may like a game that doesn't fit my conception more than some games that do, believe it or not. 

    Then what is your conecption of an mmorpg?

    To me it's exactly what the name stands for; massivly multiplayer online role playing game.

    It's played by thousands of people (at least) in the same time so it's massivly multiplayer (since you always see people walking around and you can do group events with those people).

    RPG - because I'm a charr ranger, something I can't be in RL so I'm role playing and adventuring trought the world which can't be seen anywhere else..

    Everything that fits into those frames is MMORPG to me. It doesn't have to be seamless world, it doesn't have to be superbly inovative or all those garbage reasons people are finding for not calling a game an mmorpg.

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  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan
    Originally posted by Aerowyn 

    i see your point.. although see theirs as well.. mostly people view carrot/stick games as synonymous with gear treadmills it's sort of the defining feature of that type of game and always has been imho. Not sure on the block though.. i just read several of your posts and don't really see any reason why someone would need to block you

    I tried to explain several times that the "eternal grind", in GW2, was only optional. He ignored what I was saying to repeat the same stuff again. There's no third time, I won't waste more of my time arguing with someone who doesn't listen.

    Fact is there's no mandatory grind at 80 in GW2 to be/remain competitive, neither PvE nor PvP wise. Anyone pretending otherwise is not telling the truth, and I don't see why I would waste time arguing with someone who uses flawed argumentation and wrong facts as basis and doesn't even read what I'm saying.

    He actually asked me to give an example of carrot/stick in GW2 and said he wasn't satisfied. So he requested that 3rd response.

     

  • halflife25halflife25 Toronto, ONPosts: 737Member

    There is no strict way to define 'carrot on the stick'  It is open to interpretation. Even mere cosmetic gear or weapons can very well be carrot on the stick.

    If someone is blocking you for giving your opinion.....trust me that person isn't worth talking to in first place.

  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member
    Originally posted by Zorgo
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan
    Originally posted by Aerowyn 

    i see your point.. although see theirs as well.. mostly people view carrot/stick games as synonymous with gear treadmills it's sort of the defining feature of that type of game and always has been imho. Not sure on the block though.. i just read several of your posts and don't really see any reason why someone would need to block you

    I tried to explain several times that the "eternal grind", in GW2, was only optional. He ignored what I was saying to repeat the same stuff again. There's no third time, I won't waste more of my time arguing with someone who doesn't listen.

    Fact is there's no mandatory grind at 80 in GW2 to be/remain competitive, neither PvE nor PvP wise. Anyone pretending otherwise is not telling the truth, and I don't see why I would waste time arguing with someone who uses flawed argumentation and wrong facts as basis and doesn't even read what I'm saying.

    He actually asked me to give an example of carrot/stick in GW2 and said he wasn't satisfied. So he requested that 3rd response.

    Carrot/stick may be a common description used to describe WoW and similar games gear treadmill.

    I still think the larger since of the colloquialism could be applied to all games.

    There are rewards, but you have to work for them. To me, that always has and always will be carrot/stick.  I don't think it is a bad description.

    I agreed with him about the gear treadmill, but he was so offended at my use of 'carrot/stick'; he blocked me. Even though he asked for my response.

    I don't feel like a bad person for saying that GW2 has rewards with incentives.

    This isn't my problem.

     

    oops, quoted instead of editing.

  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member
    Originally posted by halflife25

    There is no strict way to define 'carrot on the stick'  It is open to interpretation. Even mere cosmetic gear or weapons can very well be carrot on the stick.

    If someone is blocking you for giving your opinion.....trust me that person isn't worth talking to in first place.

    Agreed. That was my last word; thx for support.

  • loulakiloulaki PatrasPosts: 918Member

    well i dunno if this is the best game of all times, or the game which will change our lifes BUT nobody can disagree thats the best MMO this year and considered to other releases its far far away better, than vanilla WoW, or whatever.

    yes there are problems i see them too, but compared with the rest MMOs out there you cant disagree, even if they dont pay you ...

     

    you can continue your whinnies ; )

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  • LoLifeLoLife LA, CAPosts: 174Member
    Yes, GW2 deserves all the positive press & crictical acclaim it recieves hands down one of the best theme-parkers MMO's to be released in a long time, GW2 isn't a lazy copy and paste WoW clone #20 its comes load with innovations & high production values wrapped in the B2P model which allows me to play other games, what more do I want.
  • Whiskey_SamWhiskey_Sam Lynchburg, VAPosts: 294Member Uncommon
    It's a good game, but with the number of broken skill points all over the place, and the exploits and broken WvW systems, it's rated higher than it should be.  It also continues a trend that I find worrying in emphasizing solo or small group play to the exclusion of large group play.  With party sizes limited to five, if you have 6-9 people who like play together, there is no instanced end-game PvE content they can all do together.

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  • grimgryphongrimgryphon Pacific Northwest, WAPosts: 682Member
    Originally posted by loulaki

    well i dunno if this is the best game of all times, or the game which will change our lifes BUT nobody can disagree thats the best MMO this year and considered to other releases its far far away better, than vanilla WoW, or whatever.

    yes there are problems i see them too, but compared with the rest MMOs out there you cant disagree, even if they dont pay you ...

     

    you can continue your whinnies ; )

    I think here a lot of people who disagree, but by all means, continue living in your bubble.

    Optional PvP = No PvP
  • DeathspankDeathspank Memphis, TNPosts: 137Member Common

    Yes I definitely think it deserves all the hype and praise it got, considering that predecessors like SWOTOR and FF14 got way more and were, IMHO, absolute shit when it came to delivering on that hype(especially FF 14). 

     

    A huge infestation of bugs, both technical (crash to desktop) and gameplay (skills, traits,etc) related keep it from being the prefect commodity however.

     

    It is a good game and well worth the money I spent on it. 

  • The_KorriganThe_Korrigan EastPosts: 2,630Member
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by loulaki

    well i dunno if this is the best game of all times, or the game which will change our lifes BUT nobody can disagree thats the best MMO this year and considered to other releases its far far away better, than vanilla WoW, or whatever.

    yes there are problems i see them too, but compared with the rest MMOs out there you cant disagree, even if they dont pay you ...

     

    you can continue your whinnies ; )

    I think here a lot of people who disagree, but by all means, continue living in your bubble.

    Why aren't you playing what you think is the "best MMO this year" then, and post on its forums to improve its community, instead of posting here? Good question, heh?

    (I expect the usual nonsensical answer "because I can", or something similar)

    If you wonder why I don't answer your posts, it's most likely because you are on my block list - so don't waste your time.

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  • loulakiloulaki PatrasPosts: 918Member
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by loulaki

    well i dunno if this is the best game of all times, or the game which will change our lifes BUT nobody can disagree thats the best MMO this year and considered to other releases its far far away better, than vanilla WoW, or whatever.

    yes there are problems i see them too, but compared with the rest MMOs out there you cant disagree, even if they dont pay you ...

     

    you can continue your whinnies ; )

    I think here a lot of people who disagree, but by all means, continue living in your bubble.

    please help me to get out of my bubble and show me the best MMO released this year, i challenge you to add and the previous year!

    ; )

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  • grimgryphongrimgryphon Pacific Northwest, WAPosts: 682Member
    Originally posted by loulaki
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by loulaki

    well i dunno if this is the best game of all times, or the game which will change our lifes BUT nobody can disagree thats the best MMO this year and considered to other releases its far far away better, than vanilla WoW, or whatever.

    yes there are problems i see them too, but compared with the rest MMOs out there you cant disagree, even if they dont pay you ...

     

    you can continue your whinnies ; )

    I think here a lot of people who disagree, but by all means, continue living in your bubble.

    please help me to get out of my bubble and show me the best MMO released this year, i challenge you to add and the previous year!

    ; )

    You have to determine what the best MMO is for you, but double negatives aside, making blanket statements like "nobody can disagree that it's the best MMO this year" will prove you wrong 100% of the time.

    Optional PvP = No PvP
  • ZorgoZorgo Deepintheheartof, TXPosts: 2,226Member
    Originally posted by The_Korrigan
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by loulaki

    well i dunno if this is the best game of all times, or the game which will change our lifes BUT nobody can disagree thats the best MMO this year and considered to other releases its far far away better, than vanilla WoW, or whatever.

    yes there are problems i see them too, but compared with the rest MMOs out there you cant disagree, even if they dont pay you ...

     

    you can continue your whinnies ; )

    I think here a lot of people who disagree, but by all means, continue living in your bubble.

    Why aren't you playing what you think is the "best MMO this year" then, and post on its forums to improve its community, instead of posting here? Good question, heh?

    (I expect the usual nonsensical answer "because I can", or something similar)

    No. For a thread titled 'do you feel GW2 deserves the critical acclaim.."? 

    I expect to see opinions on both sides.

    So, I think a better question is, why did you expect a pro/con topic to only include the pros?

    p.s. This guy is blocking me so that he doesn't have to see negative opinions of GW2; so really I'm just talking to myself...

    p.p.s I also can't deny that I think GW2 is the best new online game to come out this year. No question really. Doesn't mean I think it deserves the level of acclaim it has received - so careful fans before you put me on your shoulders.

  • nero0102nero0102 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 74Member

    My specific personal experience is just that ArenaNet is committing credit card fraud.  I haven't been able to play the game since I bought it over a week ago.

    I'm stuck with trying to get my credit card company to get my money back from them right now.  So everything would pretty much be a 0 rating.  For me the game doesn't exist, their support is terrible, and the whole episode will taint all future games from NCSoft/ArenaNet.

     

     

  • wordizwordiz Eugene, ORPosts: 464Member
    People miss the gear grind. Simple as that. If they add that in with later content the game is near perfect. More side stuff would be a plus too. Guild castles and player housing, with decorations to earn, guild versus guild matches in the future? I hope so. I think the game is a solid platform, but I'm not gonna lie, you do run out of things to do atm.
  • loulakiloulaki PatrasPosts: 918Member
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
     

    You have to determine what the best MMO is for you, but double negatives aside, making blanket statements like "nobody can disagree that it's the best MMO this year" will prove you wrong 100% of the time.

    well best is something compared to others its doing its job much better.

     

    so between these years (lets say 2010-12), inform me for an MMORPG with 1) better gameplay (only TERA could reach the dynamic combat, but again its static skills burn it to the ground) 2) better graphics - art - enviroment 3) better PvP features (even if i would like open world PvP, the huge but instanced, WvW is awesome compared to the battlegrounds.. and the sPvP has all the potentials for TRUE competitive gameplay) 4) the ammount of innovetions like the break of holy trinity, the dynamiic events at the scale and the polish, the crafting, etc ... 5) and all these in B2P format ...

     

    all these compared to other games place that one far ahead, and yes there are problems and big ones ,as the dungeon rewards, the lack of a proper beta(which leads to the bugs), the broken economy, etc but again compared to others again its far ahead ...

     

    i still wait from your part to show me a game whicch have done better than GW2 in these 2-3 months ...

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  • SiugSiug TallinnPosts: 1,236Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by loulaki
    Originally posted by grimgryphon
    Originally posted by loulaki

    well i dunno if this is the best game of all times, or the game which will change our lifes BUT nobody can disagree thats the best MMO this year and considered to other releases its far far away better, than vanilla WoW, or whatever.

    yes there are problems i see them too, but compared with the rest MMOs out there you cant disagree, even if they dont pay you ...

     

    you can continue your whinnies ; )

    I think here a lot of people who disagree, but by all means, continue living in your bubble.

    please help me to get out of my bubble and show me the best MMO released this year, i challenge you to add and the previous year!

    ; )

    Kind a bad year if a game like GW2 is the best... 

  • red_cruiserred_cruiser Milwaukee, WIPosts: 472Member Uncommon
    GW 2 is no doubt a well made game; it's just a little on the dull side.
  • evilpreyevilprey CalafatPosts: 67Member Uncommon
    gw2 is best mmo experience i've ever had
  • MosesZDMosesZD Kirkwood, MOPosts: 1,383Member
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk
    Originally posted by grimal

    It deserves accolades for being a great game (I firmly believe that).

    But being a long-time MMORPG player, this game is  not an MMORPG.  So to give it any praise as that is simply underserving.

    It's like saying "Pulp Fiction" is a brilliant comedy.  Brilliant film, yes.  Comedy?  May have some elements but that hardly makes it one.

    It's much more of a mmo than, say, SWTOR. I wonder what exactly defines a mmo in some people's minds, monthly subscription, lol? It's at least as much a mmo as a WoW is, and if you don't consider WoW a mmo, then...

    I do consider WoW an MMORPG. GW2 I do not.  For me it lacks too many RPG elements to be considered one.  Hence, I would call it an MMO but not an MMORPG.

     

    That's just silly to the point of laughable.  By definition, it's a role-playing game as it has structured character development, advancement, story, etc.  which are the elements that define 'role-playing' game.

     

    Unless, of course, you decide to make up your own definitions so you can bash a game...  

  • MosesZDMosesZD Kirkwood, MOPosts: 1,383Member
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by grimal
    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk
    Originally posted by grimal

    It deserves accolades for being a great game (I firmly believe that).

    But being a long-time MMORPG player, this game is  not an MMORPG.  So to give it any praise as that is simply underserving.

    It's like saying "Pulp Fiction" is a brilliant comedy.  Brilliant film, yes.  Comedy?  May have some elements but that hardly makes it one.

    It's much more of a mmo than, say, SWTOR. I wonder what exactly defines a mmo in some people's minds, monthly subscription, lol? It's at least as much a mmo as a WoW is, and if you don't consider WoW a mmo, then...

    I do consider WoW an MMORPG. GW2 I do not.  For me it lacks too many RPG elements to be considered one.  Hence, I would call it an MMO but not an MMORPG.

    It is an MMORPG, no matter what your opinion is. That is fact.

     

    No, it is not a Sandbox and if yo only call those MMORPG's, then you are missing a huge amount of games.

     

    WoW and GW2 have many traits that are similar, so calling one an MMORPG and the other not, is just your bias and not reality.

    It's not a fact that it's an MMORPG.  If it is, what scientific law has declared it as such?  Just because ANET wants to call it that doesn't mean it's true.

    I do not consider it an MMORPG.  If I did, I'd probably have to consider Diablo 3 an MMORPG as well since they both share a great deal of similarities.

     

    IT.  IS.  A.  FACT.

     

    A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making or character development

     

    YOU do not get to define the genre or ignore the game elements and then declare 'fact' and 'win.'      You made a claim.  You not only provided no proof, but you also are clearly using a tortured defintion of 'role-playing game' when you include WoW as a role-playing MMO and GW2 is not...

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4

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