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Smedley: "EverQuest Next will be the world's largest sandbox-style MMO ever made"
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I hope SOE are smart enough to go for a modern no levels/no classes system like TSW did.
That "i'm a level 27 warrior" BS is an outdated museum concept
If common sense and logic ruled, you might have a point.
But I'll explain how this works. Let me give you a fictional conversation between "High Mucky Muck" and "Dev Boss".
Once upon a time....
Since when did any AAA MMO company make a sandbox recently?
Oh come on, a dead thread, a dead poster (who was only here for a month, more than a year ago). and a USER DELETED poster? This is the THEY you spoke of?
Poisoning the well.
Look: If you want THEY to apply to any group at all, just search the internet for one random idjit saying something silly, and identify random idjit with some group of people you don't much like. We get it. It's easy, and anyone can do it.
Sandbox is a fairly murkily defined expression; you know it's never been hard to find dozens of games its been mis-attributed to, at some point...or dozens of people who will argue what is/is not a sandbox, endlessly.
But sometimes when you have to reach this far, you may as well just not bother.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
based on that quote I believe many of you sandbox fans are going to be greatly disapointed.
He seem to be using the term "SANDBOX" as a marketing term, like many online games are starting to use "MMO" term to sell more copies, even though it may not be a MMO.
same thing happening here. Calling a Game a "SANDBOX" to score more sells.
Notice in this post, they also called Everquest a Sandbox... that should show you already, they have come up with their own definition of what a Sandbox really is to them and their new EQ3.
Clever Marketing and use of words to hype people up. I expose this kind of thing, so it doesnt just slip right past me.
I know most of you dont want to hear it, or even face reality. Hype is what you live off of.
So take their word on this if you please. But just make sure you remember, that you were forewarned
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
Did you know "sandbox games" were originally just called "GTA Clones"?
Maybe that's what Smed wants to make...some cars, some guns...
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
John $medley said it....
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"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then weve got another one that is actually going to be so were going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what were targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you cant hold me to it. But what were targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo
What he said is substantially correct.
Smed bought the rights to Vanguard, a game that had spent at least $25 mil on development allegedly for $3 mil. (This was after McQuaid was absent for several months in the run up to launch, allegedly due to prescription drug abuse issues).
The game was 80%-85% or so complete when SOE bought it, after McQuaid's company went under and laid off 3/4 of the people working there, only retaining a small percentage to "get the game out the door". SOE paid for several more months of development.
Regretably for people that actually liked vanguard, the game still needed another 6-12 months of dev time to work well when it was released. Many, many things were not working well or broken at launch, or missing. Also, the code was so badly optimized that the game was almost unplayable for anyone not running a top end rig, and it was that way a long while.
The threads from launch time are still in the forums here, should you care to read up on that time.
But to answer the question: Smed bought Vanguard because: 1. He did not want a "new" game in direct competiton to EQ2 (which SOE had invested a ton of money in) and 2. Vanguard was cheap to buy.
It was very clear that SOE never really cared much about Vanguard, as over the years, it went down to one or zero full time devs, from time to time, and there are or were still bugs in there from launch.
Do you have proof to substantiate any of this or is this just "common knowledge"? It's one thing to play conspiracy theorist with motives which can result in a few outcomes. If you're going to put hard numbers up though show the goods and if you're going to bring up a rumor about someone's alleged substance abuse you damn sure better have something to back it up.
And the 2nd law of thermodynamics proves that SOE must specifically repeat all failures 100% of the time.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
THIS.
As i have said on numerous occassions since the new info, Smed said "sandbox type game" that does not mean we are going to get a total sandbox MMO. In the past he mentioned features from Vanguard and the original EQ with modern play style, that says hybrid to me.
This will be out in 2014 and will most likely have ArcheAge and Blizzards Titan as direct competition, we already know that ArcheAge is an hybrid mmo and has some great features.
Smed is not an idiot no matter what the butt hurt SOE mob say. EQ is SOE and Smed first child, he will go all out to make sure EQNext brings the vets and new players who never experianced Norrath into the fold.
That doesn't even make sense. Soe paid first spent money on the game as a publisher, then spnet money to buy the game, then spent money on a dev team and 2 years to try and repair the game. You don't spend that kind of money and spendan time trying to fix it just to run it into the ground.
Fact is Vanguard was never a threat to the EQ series. After Sigl released the game (Soe did not own it on release) the game crashed hard. At best after that it was doomed to NIche. SoE picked it up cheap and hoped to make some small amount of money off it and have a game they could add to their other small titles.
However there comes a time when it just doesn't make any more sense to throw money at a sinking project. Despite spending quite a bit of time and money on the game there was no increase in population
As someone else stated, "There comes a time when you've spent too much money and you are getting little to no return, you just have to stop spending more money into it. SOE not only bailed Sigil and just so it could even launch, it gave Vanguard more development time when Sigil ran out of money. Then they bought it and spent the 2 years after release staffing the game with developers, coders, programmers, graphic artists, animators, etc.. just to tweak, fix, and finish the game off.
To suggest SOE threw this game in the garbage is turning a blind eye on just how bad of a shape this game was in, and how little players it had from the very beginning and how many left the game during the first year. Again, if it was your money funding this game before and after launch, you would've dumped it a long time ago. Because nobody would be willing to operate at a loss for such a long time, only companies that can do it are like SOE with several games in their lineup that could pickup the tabs."
You asked for quotes, I gave you quotes, now you change your argument, it's normally best to back out gracefully at that point. Of course the threads are dead, we are talking about what people said in the past, none of the users post I linked to were deleted when I posted the quotes, I passed over a few choices ones from deleted users.
Why doesn't that "everyone knows" phrase set off the Credulous alarm {bzzzt! bzzzt!} automatically in the brains of every member of the internet generation by now?
Oh look, start typing "cell phone tower" in Google, and radiation, deaths, cancer all pop right up at the top of the list. I'm actuallty a little disappointed that "mind control" didn't show up higher.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Asheron's Call is my favourite MMO ever... but to call it a sandbox just because there wasn't a quest journal? No, it was/is a themepark.
It's difficult to make you understand, I guess. Your standard of evidence is (apparently) extremely low, which allows you to present to the public virtually anything (no matter how thin) that supports the assertion you've constructed.
You did indeed scrape up some...people..who actually said it. +1 internetz, I guess. I should know better than to underestimate the silliness of humans on forums by now.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Largest ever sandbox. Larger than eve? Really?
Sandbox vs the EQ fanbase. Can't see that working, EQ is a raiders game.
The fact that some people still believe Everquest 1 was a sandbox, even though it's the father of all theme park MMORPGs, makes me take such announcements with a HUGE grain of salt. Even more when it comes from SoE.
We'll know soon enough I guess.
Respect, walk
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- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I said gracefully
EQ was a hybrid, it's not what you would call the themeparks of today..ie GW2 and RIFT and WOW to name but a few. Anyway most of us know their is only one game that get's you all fluffy and that is GW2.
Shouldn't you be defending anything anti that game instead of gracing us in this forum with you huge grain of salt.
The "father of themepark MMO" if you want to use that, was WoW. I don't believe the word themepark even existed before WoW. When WoW came out EQ was in the GoD expansion, which wasn't a themepark nor really a sandbox at the time. GoD still had no quests outside of the long progression quests like Breakdown in Commication and a few more related to the sewers. GoD was nothing like Vanilla WoW.
Some of you are either trolls or have never played EQ, I don't care though, keep claiming things you know nothing about.