So basically what I'm getting out of all the nay-sayers is they are sad that they can't just sit around greifing people all day by killing all the NPCs and players in sight for no reason other than "because I can".
They are opposed to hotbars because more than 2 spells confuses them
And want first person aiming in MMOs that traditionally have pings around 100ish that can sky rocket in large populated areas for which they said they are trying to support 200 people on screen which would make First Person targetig a cluster fuck of nothing ever happening because it would be impossible to focus fire leading to extremely boring gameplay.
To me that sounds like a terrible game and I along with the majority of gamers are glad they didn't take that approach.
PvPers should consider TESO as training ground for new pvpers " pvp light virsion ".
As for hardcore pvpers, you have DF:UW coming, you have nothing to worry about, play your hardcore pvp game and support it.
Good job TESO, I love the feature you have.
What about hardcore PvPers who want to play in the world of TES?
Where's our game?
Oh is DF:UW using the TES IP now? If so yay! But they aren't, they're on Agon, which I could care less about.
Originally posted by MercArcher
So basically what I'm getting out of all the nay-sayers is they are sad that they can't just sit around greifing people all day by killing all the NPCs and players in sight for no reason other than "because I can".
They are opposed to hotbars because more than 2 spells confuses them
And want first person aiming in MMOs that traditionally have pings around 100ish that can sky rocket in large populated areas for which they said they are trying to support 200 people on screen which would make First Person targetig a cluster fuck of nothing ever happening because it would be impossible to focus fire leading to extremely boring gameplay.
To me that sounds like a terrible game and I along with the majority of gamers are glad they didn't take that approach.
EL OH EL
Merc you crack me up. How much are ZOS paying you, seriously? I could totally get in on this racket, where do I sign up? I'd also be a LOT better at it than you because you have some glaring logic issues in your arguments.
1) FFA PVP with just consequences, guards arresting you and kicking your ass, serious punishments for criminals, bounty systems, make it difficult for criminals and murderers to survive, yes. No other MMORPG has done this successfully.
2) Hotbars are fine. Both Darkfall and Mortal have hotbars. What we want to avoid is cool-downs and tab targetting.
3) Pings around 100? Are you still on a 56k moden there buddy? My ping to my GW2 server is 12, my ping to Darkfall US server is 31, my ping to the only Mortal Online server which is in Europe is 86, my ping to my PS2 server is 44. Who the hell has 100 ping in an MMO these days? Get with the times, man. Also, having actually played FPS MMORPGs with melee, which you clearly haven't, I can objectively tell you that it is far more exciting and engaging than the number-explosions of WoW or GW2 combat. Talk about a clusterfuck.
4) So if this has been the concensus you've gotten from your ill-conceived promotional thread paid for by our pals at Zenimax Online Studios, where exactly is this majority? Why is TESO the lowest on the hype-meter and DF:UW the highest? How weird that your "majority" is nowhere to be found.
Pro-tip for any kind of debate, never assume to talk for a majority unless you have evidence to back it up: you'll end up looking like Paul Ryan (ps: that means "liar").
PvPers should consider TESO as training ground for new pvpers " pvp light virsion ".
As for hardcore pvpers, you have DF:UW coming, you have nothing to worry about, play your hardcore pvp game and support it.
Good job TESO, I love the feature you have.
What about hardcore PvPers who want to play in the world of TES?
Where's our game?
Oh is DF:UW using the TES IP now? If so yay! But they aren't, they're on Agon, which I could care less about.
Originally posted by MercArcher
So basically what I'm getting out of all the nay-sayers is they are sad that they can't just sit around greifing people all day by killing all the NPCs and players in sight for no reason other than "because I can".
They are opposed to hotbars because more than 2 spells confuses them
And want first person aiming in MMOs that traditionally have pings around 100ish that can sky rocket in large populated areas for which they said they are trying to support 200 people on screen which would make First Person targetig a cluster fuck of nothing ever happening because it would be impossible to focus fire leading to extremely boring gameplay.
To me that sounds like a terrible game and I along with the majority of gamers are glad they didn't take that approach.
EL OH EL
Merc you crack me up. How much are ZOS paying you, seriously? I could totally get in on this racket, where do I sign up? I'd also be a LOT better at it than you because you have some glaring logic issues in your arguments.
1) FFA PVP with just consequences, guards arresting you and kicking your ass, serious punishments for criminals, bounty systems, make it difficult for criminals and murderers to survive, yes. No other MMORPG has done this successfully.
2) Hotbars are fine. Both Darkfall and Mortal have hotbars. What we want to avoid is cool-downs and tab targetting.
3) Pings around 100? Are you still on a 56k moden there buddy? My ping to my GW2 server is 12, my ping to Darkfall US server is 31, my ping to the only Mortal Online server which is in Europe is 86, my ping to my PS2 server is 44. Who the hell has 100 ping in an MMO these days? Get with the times, man. Also, having actually played FPS MMORPGs with melee, which you clearly haven't, I can objectively tell you that it is far more exciting and engaging than the number-explosions of WoW or GW2 combat. Talk about a clusterfuck.
4) So if this has been the concensus you've gotten from your ill-conceived promotional thread paid for by our pals at Zenimax Online Studios, where exactly is this majority? Why is TESO the lowest on the hype-meter and DF:UW the highest? How weird that your "majority" is nowhere to be found.
Pro-tip for any kind of debate, never assume to talk for a majority unless you have evidence to back it up: you'll end up looking like Paul Ryan (ps: that means "liar").
Also if your so worried about it not being a sandbox you have Archeage coming out around the same time, while TESO is going after a market that hasn't had a new game since 2002. That combined with the fact that its an elder scrolls game will make it HUGELY sucessful.
Finally someone is starting from scratch, making their own MMO game engine. Being able to fully controll everything about their own engine will be refreshing over the limitations of recent MMOs.
Three faction PvP is back! DAoC is the undesputed open world PvP game and it hasn't been sucessfully copied yet. With the lead developer of DAoC being the lead developer here I think we have a chance!
The stamina system is quite possibly the most interesting PvP mechanic i've seen in a LONG time. I'm really looking forward to it it adds a large amount of depth.
Fully voiced, dynamic content. SWTOR started the fully voiced, and add in GW2 dynamic system and you have a great questing system.
Ultimate Skills are another wonderful ideas. 0 mana, 0 CD skills that become castable from how you do in combat? I love it!
Back to the trinity. After GW2 we learned that the trinity exsists for a reason. They are trying to keep a similar action feel while going back to the method that works.
"BRD style Instances" Gone are the days of linear instances. Go where you want mazes with multiple paths!
Not a wow-clone. They aren't doing the mistake of so many MMOs recently of copying WoW. Granted WoW was a great game, but if people wanted to play wow they would play wow.
From the information released so far this sounds like it has the possibility to be one amazing game. I'm really looking forward to following the development and trying the betas.
hm... just for your info...
daoc had no open world pvp ^^ it was instanced. and no, i doubt ESO will save anything. if there is a saviour, it's WoW, you just dont like it :>
doesn't count tho.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
I am very curious on how this game will turn out but one thing that turns me off completely already.. WHY THE FLIPPIN **** DO THE ELVES LOOK LIKE HUMANS!?
Originally posted by MercArcher Also if your so worried about it not being a sandbox you have Archeage coming out around the same time, while TESO is going after a market that hasn't had a new game since 2002. That combined with the fact that its an elder scrolls game will make it HUGELY sucessful.
Oh, I wasn't aware that Archage took place in Tamriel! /sarcasm
I could care less about Archeage, especially with its horrendous UI and typical Korean art-style (blech) and isn't a TES game.
WoW is by far the most sucessful MMO ever and is somewhere around #50.
SWTOR, Rift, Aion, AoC, WAR, Ect. all had extremely high hypes before they launched and they all floped.
Hype on this site doesn't mean shit.
Um Neverwinter has #4 on the hype-meter. You are talking about reviews/rating. That's very different. If you can show me evidence that TSW had #4 before it was released, then by all mean show me.
We are talking about what people want, not the execution of an individual product. People on this site clearly WANT DF:UW and don't WANT ESO. ESO might be the best-made MMO of all tikme and DF:UW might be the buggiest, most broken piece of garbage ever relased, or vice versa. Point is, we don't know, but what we do know is how people are voting.
Also, recently, ESO's hype-meter recently shot up to about 7.5 and then went back down again to the mid-6es almost a few days later, without a major change to the number of votes. Was that part of your job description with ZOS too? Trying to inflate the hype-meter, or was that a different department? Too bad you got caught.
PvPers should consider TESO as training ground for new pvpers " pvp light virsion ".
As for hardcore pvpers, you have DF:UW coming, you have nothing to worry about, play your hardcore pvp game and support it.
Good job TESO, I love the feature you have.
What about hardcore PvPers who want to play in the world of TES?
Where's our game?
Oh is DF:UW using the TES IP now? If so yay! But they aren't, they're on Agon, which I could care less about.
Originally posted by MercArcher
So basically what I'm getting out of all the nay-sayers is they are sad that they can't just sit around greifing people all day by killing all the NPCs and players in sight for no reason other than "because I can".
They are opposed to hotbars because more than 2 spells confuses them
And want first person aiming in MMOs that traditionally have pings around 100ish that can sky rocket in large populated areas for which they said they are trying to support 200 people on screen which would make First Person targetig a cluster fuck of nothing ever happening because it would be impossible to focus fire leading to extremely boring gameplay.
To me that sounds like a terrible game and I along with the majority of gamers are glad they didn't take that approach.
EL OH EL
Merc you crack me up. How much are ZOS paying you, seriously? I could totally get in on this racket, where do I sign up? I'd also be a LOT better at it than you because you have some glaring logic issues in your arguments.
1) FFA PVP with just consequences, guards arresting you and kicking your ass, serious punishments for criminals, bounty systems, make it difficult for criminals and murderers to survive, yes. No other MMORPG has done this successfully.
2) Hotbars are fine. Both Darkfall and Mortal have hotbars. What we want to avoid is cool-downs and tab targetting.
3) Pings around 100? Are you still on a 56k moden there buddy? My ping to my GW2 server is 12, my ping to Darkfall US server is 31, my ping to the only Mortal Online server which is in Europe is 86, my ping to my PS2 server is 44. Who the hell has 100 ping in an MMO these days? Get with the times, man. Also, having actually played FPS MMORPGs with melee, which you clearly haven't, I can objectively tell you that it is far more exciting and engaging than the number-explosions of WoW or GW2 combat. Talk about a clusterfuck.
4) So if this has been the concensus you've gotten from your ill-conceived promotional thread paid for by our pals at Zenimax Online Studios, where exactly is this majority? Why is TESO the lowest on the hype-meter and DF:UW the highest? How weird that your "majority" is nowhere to be found.
Pro-tip for any kind of debate, never assume to talk for a majority unless you have evidence to back it up: you'll end up looking like Paul Ryan (ps: that means "liar").
WoW is by far the most sucessful MMO ever and is somewhere around #50.
SWTOR, Rift, Aion, AoC, WAR, Ect. all had extremely high hypes before they launched and they all floped.
Hype on this site doesn't mean shit.
I think youre either hallucinating, or misunderstand how the site works. Go look at the meter again. TESO is not even on the front page for HYPE (Top Voted) , which goes to #7. The current #7 is Origins of Malu with a hype of 8.0. TESO has a 7.3. Hell TESO is getting beat out by at least 4 indie games with little funding who are currently in that top 7.
You my have been looking at "activity" (Most Popular) not hype. All that shows is how many hits the forums for that game are getting, which in TESO's case is #6 today, and not even on the top 10 list for the past week, month, 6 months, or year. Granted they released info on it fairly recently, so 6 months and 1 year dont rrally apply. But its not even in the top 10 for this week or month for forum activity, which could be either good or bad activity (the system doesnt account for either side, just hits).
PvPers should consider TESO as training ground for new pvpers " pvp light virsion ".
As for hardcore pvpers, you have DF:UW coming, you have nothing to worry about, play your hardcore pvp game and support it.
Good job TESO, I love the feature you have.
What about hardcore PvPers who want to play in the world of TES?
Where's our game?
Oh is DF:UW using the TES IP now? If so yay! But they aren't, they're on Agon, which I could care less about.
Originally posted by MercArcher
So basically what I'm getting out of all the nay-sayers is they are sad that they can't just sit around greifing people all day by killing all the NPCs and players in sight for no reason other than "because I can".
They are opposed to hotbars because more than 2 spells confuses them
And want first person aiming in MMOs that traditionally have pings around 100ish that can sky rocket in large populated areas for which they said they are trying to support 200 people on screen which would make First Person targetig a cluster fuck of nothing ever happening because it would be impossible to focus fire leading to extremely boring gameplay.
To me that sounds like a terrible game and I along with the majority of gamers are glad they didn't take that approach.
EL OH EL
Merc you crack me up. How much are ZOS paying you, seriously? I could totally get in on this racket, where do I sign up? I'd also be a LOT better at it than you because you have some glaring logic issues in your arguments.
1) FFA PVP with just consequences, guards arresting you and kicking your ass, serious punishments for criminals, bounty systems, make it difficult for criminals and murderers to survive, yes. No other MMORPG has done this successfully.
2) Hotbars are fine. Both Darkfall and Mortal have hotbars. What we want to avoid is cool-downs and tab targetting.
3) Pings around 100? Are you still on a 56k moden there buddy? My ping to my GW2 server is 12, my ping to Darkfall US server is 31, my ping to the only Mortal Online server which is in Europe is 86, my ping to my PS2 server is 44. Who the hell has 100 ping in an MMO these days? Get with the times, man. Also, having actually played FPS MMORPGs with melee, which you clearly haven't, I can objectively tell you that it is far more exciting and engaging than the number-explosions of WoW or GW2 combat. Talk about a clusterfuck.
4) So if this has been the concensus you've gotten from your ill-conceived promotional thread paid for by our pals at Zenimax Online Studios, where exactly is this majority? Why is TESO the lowest on the hype-meter and DF:UW the highest? How weird that your "majority" is nowhere to be found.
Pro-tip for any kind of debate, never assume to talk for a majority unless you have evidence to back it up: you'll end up looking like Paul Ryan (ps: that means "liar").
WoW is by far the most sucessful MMO ever and is somewhere around #50.
SWTOR, Rift, Aion, AoC, WAR, Ect. all had extremely high hypes before they launched and they all floped.
Hype on this site doesn't mean shit.
I think youre either hallucinating, or misunderstand how the site works. Go look at the meter again. TESO is not even on the front page for HYPE (Top Voted) , which goes to #7. The current #7 is Origins of Malu with a hype of 8.0. TESO has a 7.3. Hell TESO is getting beat out by at least 4 indie games with little funding who are currently in that top 7.
You my have been looking at "activity" (Most Popular) not hype. All that shows is how many hits the forums for that game are getting, which in TESO's case is #6 today, and not even on the top 10 list for the past week, month, 6 months, or year. Granted they released info on it fairly recently, so 6 months and 1 year dont rrally apply. But its not even in the top 10 for this week or month for forum activity, which could be either good or bad activity (the system doesnt account for either side, just hits).
Nothing is instanced in daoc, dungeons are open world, the frontiers are pvp areas of the world, even the battlegrounds for leveling pvp are not instanced.
Granted there have been plenty of unsuccessful games that have had a lot of hype, but can anyone name a successful game that had such little hype as ESO?
Granted there have been plenty of unsuccessful games that have had a lot of hype, but can anyone name a successful game that had such little hype as ESO?
It will be close to 9 a year from now. I guarentee it.
What about hardcore PvPers who want to play in the world of TES?
Where's our game?
Oh is DF:UW using the TES IP now? If so yay! But they aren't, they're on Agon, which I could care less about.
TESO is a different game then DF:UW which is disined to aim for a large population, not like DF:UW with only pvp, and disined for small population, TESO has an option to pvp so you're welcome to pvp any time you want once TESO go live.
Granted there have been plenty of unsuccessful games that have had a lot of hype, but can anyone name a successful game that had such little hype as ESO?
It will be close to 9 a year from now. I guarentee it.
Let's see how far that guarantee goes:
I am willing to bet you 100$ (USD) that you are wrong.
That 365 days from now Elder Scrolls Online will have at least a 9.0 on the hype-meter (if unreleased) or rating meter (if released), as long as the hype meter isn't tampered with (although this site does a good job of preventing that)
I bet 100$ against this assertion, here in writing.
Also, when looking at hype, only the orange numbers count, blue is rating of a released game: very different. Just because people think a game is good doesn't mean it will be successful, just as a high or low hype does not preclude success or failure.
This game sounds to me like the biggest crash and burn in the industry since STWOR. They are making a theme-park MMO out of a sandbox sp rpg.
I hope I'm wrong.
Yeah, just like making a MMORPG game out of a RTS game, it would never work. (WoW, for those of you that think it was just a game that came out of thin air.)
This game sounds to me like the biggest crash and burn in the industry since STWOR. They are making a theme-park MMO out of a sandbox sp rpg.
I hope I'm wrong.
Yeah, just like making a MMORPG game out of a RTS game, it would never work. (WoW, for those of you that think it was just a game that came out of thin air.)
Argument is invalid, RTS and RPG are different genres. RPG and RPG are the same genre. MMO is just an added feature, not a genre.
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It's an SP game, where you can punch, kick, stab, shoot and fireball anyone or anything at any time for any reason (with just consequences).
If you were to translate that to an MMO setting, all you'd have to do is replace the "SP" in that sentence with "MMO" and you'd have your PvP setup.
Since TES is an SP game, the distinction between NPC and PC is irrelevant. Everything you fight could be player-controlled, it doesn't matter.
In which case your ffa server will play a little like df.
And the coop server will let pve types play all 3 pve "continents"
That is a BIG if.
Why try anything new? Most players just bitch about it and then go back to WoW in the end anyway.
Don't worry, with this guy in charge, they won't be trying anything new:
PvPers should consider TESO as training ground for new pvpers " pvp light virsion ".
As for hardcore pvpers, you have DF:UW coming, you have nothing to worry about, play your hardcore pvp game and support it.
Good job TESO, I love the feature you have.
So basically what I'm getting out of all the nay-sayers is they are sad that they can't just sit around greifing people all day by killing all the NPCs and players in sight for no reason other than "because I can".
They are opposed to hotbars because more than 2 spells confuses them
And want first person aiming in MMOs that traditionally have pings around 100ish that can sky rocket in large populated areas for which they said they are trying to support 200 people on screen which would make First Person targetig a cluster fuck of nothing ever happening because it would be impossible to focus fire leading to extremely boring gameplay.
To me that sounds like a terrible game and I along with the majority of gamers are glad they didn't take that approach.
What about hardcore PvPers who want to play in the world of TES?
Where's our game?
Oh is DF:UW using the TES IP now? If so yay! But they aren't, they're on Agon, which I could care less about.
EL OH EL
Merc you crack me up. How much are ZOS paying you, seriously? I could totally get in on this racket, where do I sign up? I'd also be a LOT better at it than you because you have some glaring logic issues in your arguments.
1) FFA PVP with just consequences, guards arresting you and kicking your ass, serious punishments for criminals, bounty systems, make it difficult for criminals and murderers to survive, yes. No other MMORPG has done this successfully.
2) Hotbars are fine. Both Darkfall and Mortal have hotbars. What we want to avoid is cool-downs and tab targetting.
3) Pings around 100? Are you still on a 56k moden there buddy? My ping to my GW2 server is 12, my ping to Darkfall US server is 31, my ping to the only Mortal Online server which is in Europe is 86, my ping to my PS2 server is 44. Who the hell has 100 ping in an MMO these days? Get with the times, man. Also, having actually played FPS MMORPGs with melee, which you clearly haven't, I can objectively tell you that it is far more exciting and engaging than the number-explosions of WoW or GW2 combat. Talk about a clusterfuck.
4) So if this has been the concensus you've gotten from your ill-conceived promotional thread paid for by our pals at Zenimax Online Studios, where exactly is this majority? Why is TESO the lowest on the hype-meter and DF:UW the highest? How weird that your "majority" is nowhere to be found.
Pro-tip for any kind of debate, never assume to talk for a majority unless you have evidence to back it up: you'll end up looking like Paul Ryan (ps: that means "liar").
TSW has #4 hype and is widly concidered a flop.
WoW is by far the most sucessful MMO ever and is somewhere around #50.
SWTOR, Rift, Aion, AoC, WAR, Ect. all had extremely high hypes before they launched and they all floped.
Hype on this site doesn't mean shit.
hm... just for your info...
daoc had no open world pvp ^^ it was instanced. and no, i doubt ESO will save anything. if there is a saviour, it's WoW, you just dont like it :>
doesn't count tho.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Oh, I wasn't aware that Archage took place in Tamriel! /sarcasm
I could care less about Archeage, especially with its horrendous UI and typical Korean art-style (blech) and isn't a TES game.
Um Neverwinter has #4 on the hype-meter. You are talking about reviews/rating. That's very different. If you can show me evidence that TSW had #4 before it was released, then by all mean show me.
We are talking about what people want, not the execution of an individual product. People on this site clearly WANT DF:UW and don't WANT ESO. ESO might be the best-made MMO of all tikme and DF:UW might be the buggiest, most broken piece of garbage ever relased, or vice versa. Point is, we don't know, but what we do know is how people are voting.
Also, recently, ESO's hype-meter recently shot up to about 7.5 and then went back down again to the mid-6es almost a few days later, without a major change to the number of votes. Was that part of your job description with ZOS too? Trying to inflate the hype-meter, or was that a different department? Too bad you got caught.
I think youre either hallucinating, or misunderstand how the site works. Go look at the meter again. TESO is not even on the front page for HYPE (Top Voted) , which goes to #7. The current #7 is Origins of Malu with a hype of 8.0. TESO has a 7.3. Hell TESO is getting beat out by at least 4 indie games with little funding who are currently in that top 7.
You my have been looking at "activity" (Most Popular) not hype. All that shows is how many hits the forums for that game are getting, which in TESO's case is #6 today, and not even on the top 10 list for the past week, month, 6 months, or year. Granted they released info on it fairly recently, so 6 months and 1 year dont rrally apply. But its not even in the top 10 for this week or month for forum activity, which could be either good or bad activity (the system doesnt account for either side, just hits).
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/show/all/sCol/rankHype/sOrder/desc
Nothing is instanced in daoc, dungeons are open world, the frontiers are pvp areas of the world, even the battlegrounds for leveling pvp are not instanced.
Let's ask this question regarding the hype:
Granted there have been plenty of unsuccessful games that have had a lot of hype, but can anyone name a successful game that had such little hype as ESO?
It will be close to 9 a year from now. I guarentee it.
TESO is a different game then DF:UW which is disined to aim for a large population, not like DF:UW with only pvp, and disined for small population, TESO has an option to pvp so you're welcome to pvp any time you want once TESO go live.
They are building TESO for you! RvRvR is hardcore PvPers dream! You can become emporer.
Let's see how far that guarantee goes:
I am willing to bet you 100$ (USD) that you are wrong.
That 365 days from now Elder Scrolls Online will have at least a 9.0 on the hype-meter (if unreleased) or rating meter (if released), as long as the hype meter isn't tampered with (although this site does a good job of preventing that)
I bet 100$ against this assertion, here in writing.
Also, when looking at hype, only the orange numbers count, blue is rating of a released game: very different. Just because people think a game is good doesn't mean it will be successful, just as a high or low hype does not preclude success or failure.
Yeah, just like making a MMORPG game out of a RTS game, it would never work. (WoW, for those of you that think it was just a game that came out of thin air.)
Argument is invalid, RTS and RPG are different genres. RPG and RPG are the same genre. MMO is just an added feature, not a genre.