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Corrupt panel of judges award SWTOR the overall winner of the Game Developers Choice Online Awards

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  • karmathkarmath Posts: 829Member Uncommon

    It's utter lies, deceit, shilling and crap like this will push that one forum troll over the edge one day and he's going to go on a spree murdering every single last one of these 'people'.

     

     

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,215Member Uncommon
    If the award meant anything I might care, but I couldn't really give two damns one way or the other.
  • dave6660dave6660 New York, NYPosts: 2,543Member Uncommon

    Who cares, it's a meaningless award.  Let Nero fiddle while Romes burns.

    “There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.”
    -- Herman Melville

  • AdamantineAdamantine NowherePosts: 3,514Member Common

    Absurd.

     

    Originally posted by Karteli

    A significant number of people on the board are either affiliated with EA or once were. 

    OMG really ? Who would have guessed !

     

    Originally posted by DavisFlight

    This very site fired one of their writers because he gave SWTOR a 6 and refused to change it. 

    THIS site ? Uh-hu.

     

    Originally posted by smh_alot
    [...] The others that came out this year and made the list were even less impressive, so no wonder. [...]

    Okay, that one might sadly be true. Its only best of the year. I hasnt to be good in absolute terms. Just better than everybody else.

    .

    Originally posted by GamerUntouch
    How the hell did SWTOR win best visual arts (besides the obvious, they bought the award), runescape ha better graphics.

    Runescape is an old game.

     

  • ArglebargleArglebargle Austin, TXPosts: 1,417Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nadia

    http://www.gdconlineawards.com/rules/

    eligible titles are persistent online video games which were initially released in Beta or full version June 1, 2011 – May 31, 2012 in North America

     

    there wasnt much to pick from

    what does timespan leave?   SWTOR and TERA ?

    You are paying too much attention to the facts of the matter!   What's wrong with you??   :)

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • TuchakaTuchaka san diego, CAPosts: 468Member
    okay who 'dosed' the pannel someone here simply must know :)
  • grimgryphongrimgryphon Pacific Northwest, WAPosts: 682Member
    Originally posted by Banquetto
    Did you look at the other nominations? They were even worse, believe it or not.

    Reminds me of that one girl in high school -- you know the one -- insecure and makes sure all of her friends are less attractive so she has no competition. ;-)

    Optional PvP = No PvP
  • HarttzHarttz Jacksonville, FLPosts: 91Member
    Originally posted by Banquetto
    Did you look at the other nominations? They were even worse, believe it or not.

    That is what makes the game's failure even more unbelievable. They had no real competition! It is understandable to see TSW or even TERA struggle when there was GW2 on the horizon or a lot of people playing D3. But when SWTOR released there was nothing else to play other than some people dragging out Skyrim. It was like some sad 4 year old whiffing in T-ball. How on Earth did they miss?

  • BrenelaelBrenelael Warren, MEPosts: 3,996Member
    Originally posted by DavisFlight
    Originally posted by smh_alot
    Originally posted by DavisFlight
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by DavisFlight
    Originally posted by stayontarget
    Well what did you expect,  Its not like these developers have a great track record on giving us what we want over the last few years.  The voting by these boobs don't surprise me one bit.

    Stuff like this is very widespread. EA's pockets are deep and that money trickles to sites like this. "Want review copies or advertisements? Give us a good review." 

     

    This very site fired one of their writers because he gave SWTOR a 6 and refused to change it. 

     

    /facepalm. That is not why the writer was fired. You should get your facts straight before spewing nonsense. Back on topic, agreed the deck was stacked in the voting, but from my viewpoint the clear winner once again would be none of the above. Hasn't been a good MMORPG been made in years from what I am looking for i'm the genre.

    That is the reason, actually. They tried to get him to not post his review and instead do a "pros and cons" debate article with another staff member. Except, all the questions and answers were more or less written so that the more common complaints could be stated by the writer, and then torn apart by the other writer. Instead, he just posted his review anyway. 

    But the safe story that MMORPG.com went with is "We didn't like how he came into the game so predisposed to give it a bad score, and we didn't like that he bragged about giving it a bad score." 

     

    ? That was way, WAY before last month, the time that you created this account of yours, many months ago and iirc among a flood of posts and threads in that time. You're saying that you were keeping that close watch on all the forums of this site for that long and only recently decided to create an account and post this abundantly? Wow.

    You should take your own Occam's Razor advice here bud. 

    It was kind of big news and spread to several other sites. 

    He was posting what he was going to post here over at the Darkfall Forums before it was published here. You obviously don't know much about jouralism if you think that is even remotely OK. This is why he was fired. When someone is paying you a staff writer's salary to write for them you don't pre-post what your going to write on another site. It had absolutely nothing to do with his score for SWTOR. I think you need to get your facts straight as it was abundently obvious why he was fired at the time. He very flagrantly breeched his Staff Writer's contract with MMORPG.com. Oh and I agreed with his review on SWTOR but I can still admit that he was fired for being incredibly stupid.

     

    Bren

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  • DraronDraron A town in, KYPosts: 993Member
    I wouldn't call it a corrupt panel as much as the other options just weren't that good.
  • Whiskey_SamWhiskey_Sam Lynchburg, VAPosts: 294Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Brenelael
    He was posting what he was going to post here over at the Darkfall Forums before it was published here. You obviously don't know much about jouralism if you think that is even remotely OK. This is why he was fired. When someone is paying you a staff writer's salary to write for them you don't pre-post what your going to write on another site. It had absolutely nothing to do with his score for SWTOR. I think you need to get your facts straight as it was abundently obvious why he was fired at the time. He very flagrantly breeched his Staff Writer's contract with MMORPG.com. Oh and I agreed with his review on SWTOR but I can still admit that he was fired for being incredibly stupid.

     

    Bren

    Is it breaching a contract if you post a piece that they refuse to publish?

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  • Ghost12Ghost12 Boston, MAPosts: 684Member

    Shameful. Just shameful.

     

    The ironic thing is that no game deserves the award, there hasnt been a good MMORPG in years. Shows what a sad state the MMO industry is in.

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,279Member Uncommon
    Investigative journalism at it's best.
  • BrenelaelBrenelael Warren, MEPosts: 3,996Member
    Originally posted by Whiskey_Sam
    Originally posted by Brenelael
    He was posting what he was going to post here over at the Darkfall Forums before it was published here. You obviously don't know much about jouralism if you think that is even remotely OK. This is why he was fired. When someone is paying you a staff writer's salary to write for them you don't pre-post what your going to write on another site. It had absolutely nothing to do with his score for SWTOR. I think you need to get your facts straight as it was abundently obvious why he was fired at the time. He very flagrantly breeched his Staff Writer's contract with MMORPG.com. Oh and I agreed with his review on SWTOR but I can still admit that he was fired for being incredibly stupid.

     

    Bren

    Is it breaching a contract if you post a piece that they refuse to publish?

    Yes, but he also posted some things that were going to get published they just hadn't made it through the process yet. He seriously f**ked up.

     

    Don't get me wrong... I personally liked his reviews and the articles he wrote while he was here but I don't kid myself over why he was let go. This was over much more than one score for a game.

     

    Bren

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  • PivotelitePivotelite Hamilton, ONPosts: 2,167Member
    Originally posted by Nadia

    http://www.gdconlineawards.com/rules/

    eligible titles are persistent online video games which were initially released in Beta or full version June 1, 2011 – May 31, 2012 in North America

     

    there wasnt much to pick from

    what does timespan leave?   SWTOR and TERA ?

     But if it's SWTOR and TERA ... why did SWTOR win this...

     

    "Best Online Visual Arts: Star Wars: The Old Republic (BioWare Austin)"

     

    A cartoony butchered Star Wars themed game with awful animations somehow won that over TERA?

     

    They also won best Tech, i'm pretty sure hitboxes, collision detection, self aimed reticle combat is harder and more complicated than tab targetting, also TERA is a persistent world.

     

    Both games are full of flaws, but SWTOR does not deserve those two rewards for any reason at all, I would have given the reward to the Sims in artstyle before SWTOR because SWTOR already had art to go off and they still managed to do horribly.

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  • sleepr27sleepr27 LisbonPosts: 103Member
    Originally posted by Jenosyde
    Another reason why people think its OK to make terrible games. Still get rewarded for failures..

    SWTOR a terrible game? thanks for the laugh. Why can't people just say "It's a good game, just not my thing". I also don't like GW2, for me it's one of the most boring MMO's i've played. Yet i don't come here saying "this game is garbage".

    You want to know what's terrible?! I'll tell you, it's the MMO community. A bunch of spoiled brats who can't see anything improving or growing with time. 

  • PivotelitePivotelite Hamilton, ONPosts: 2,167Member

    You want to know what's terrible?! I'll tell you, it's the MMO community. A bunch of spoiled brats who can't see anything improving or growing with time. 

     We can't see it because nothing is improving, besides graphics, but graphics don't make a game.

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  • DraronDraron A town in, KYPosts: 993Member
    Originally posted by sleepr27
    Originally posted by Jenosyde
    Another reason why people think its OK to make terrible games. Still get rewarded for failures..

    SWTOR a terrible game? thanks for the laugh. Why can't people just say "It's a good game, just not my thing". I also don't like GW2, for me it's one of the most boring MMO's i've played. Yet i don't come here saying "this game is garbage".

    You want to know what's terrible?! I'll tell you, it's the MMO community. A bunch of spoiled brats who can't see anything improving or growing with time. 

    Although overly harsh, I pretty much agree. 

  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Karteli

    ref:

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/179174/Live_from_the_Game_Developers_Choice_Online_Awards.php

    Special thanks to Sevenstar61 in thread
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/367031/page/1

    for revealing the award link.

    Among the most puzzling:

    Best New Online Game: Star Wars: The Old Republic (BioWare Austin)

    "It was a long journey to get there, and a lot of people. It's a huge game, the biggest thing I can imagine to do, this project. A lot of effort went into it." - Former executive producer Rich Vogel, who was, touchingly, brought on stage by the current team members in attendance to accept the award with them.

     

    The advisory board:

    http://www.gdconline.com/aboutgdc/advisoryboard.html

     

    A significant number of people on the board are either affiliated with EA or once were.  Rich Vogel was recently laid off from EA and dusting off his resume (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/174300/SWTORs_executive_producer_leaves_BioWare_amid_layoff_reports.php), and Gordon Walton is responsible for the alpha version of SWTOR's Hero Engine, which he said EA would finish it themselves (http://www.heroengine.com/2011/11/heroengine-meets-starwars/).  Mr. Walton left EA's subdivision BioWare in early 2011 (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33051/BioWare_Austins_Walton_Leaves_To_Join_Playdom_Austin.php).

     

    Among the other questionable "voting" board members:


    Robert Zubek, former EA employee (http://arnetminer.org/person/robert-zubek-319979.html)

    Euguene Evans, VP & Studio GM of Mythic (EA) http://www.developconference.com/page.cfm/Action=Visitor/VisitorID=482)

    Chris Mayar, former Technical Director at EA  http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,217471/

    Min Kim, former Localization Direction at EA http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Kyung+min/Kim

    [I'll check others if I have time, gave up because 85% of them had an EA affiliation that was publicized]

     

    Others are still affiliated with EA, or were at one time.  It hardly seems fair, even though SWTOR wasn't up to par with expectations, that developers get to vote for themselves to advance their carrers, on a panel that has a significant proportion of EA influence.  Just to give themselves awards.  Journalists ran with this story, but none of which actually looked at the makeup of who was capable of the votes.

     

    What s sham to gamers.

     

    Yes the fix was in, and they got awards that they don't deserve.  All this in hopes of bolstering the stock price. Somebody forom the SEc needs to look at them for stock malipulation as this is what it is.

  • SlampigSlampig Chantilly, VAPosts: 2,376Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Karteli

    ref:

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/179174/Live_from_the_Game_Developers_Choice_Online_Awards.php

    Special thanks to Sevenstar61 in thread
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/367031/page/1

    for revealing the award link.

    Among the most puzzling:

    Best New Online Game: Star Wars: The Old Republic (BioWare Austin)

    "It was a long journey to get there, and a lot of people. It's a huge game, the biggest thing I can imagine to do, this project. A lot of effort went into it." - Former executive producer Rich Vogel, who was, touchingly, brought on stage by the current team members in attendance to accept the award with them.

     

    The advisory board:

    http://www.gdconline.com/aboutgdc/advisoryboard.html

     

    A significant number of people on the board are either affiliated with EA or once were.  Rich Vogel was recently laid off from EA and dusting off his resume (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/174300/SWTORs_executive_producer_leaves_BioWare_amid_layoff_reports.php), and Gordon Walton is responsible for the alpha version of SWTOR's Hero Engine, which he said EA would finish it themselves (http://www.heroengine.com/2011/11/heroengine-meets-starwars/).  Mr. Walton left EA's subdivision BioWare in early 2011 (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33051/BioWare_Austins_Walton_Leaves_To_Join_Playdom_Austin.php).

     

    Among the other questionable "voting" board members:


    Robert Zubek, former EA employee (http://arnetminer.org/person/robert-zubek-319979.html)

    Euguene Evans, VP & Studio GM of Mythic (EA) http://www.developconference.com/page.cfm/Action=Visitor/VisitorID=482)

    Chris Mayar, former Technical Director at EA  http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,217471/

    Min Kim, former Localization Direction at EA http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Kyung+min/Kim

    [I'll check others if I have time, gave up because 85% of them had an EA affiliation that was publicized]

     

    Others are still affiliated with EA, or were at one time.  It hardly seems fair, even though SWTOR wasn't up to par with expectations, that developers get to vote for themselves to advance their carrers, on a panel that has a significant proportion of EA influence.  Just to give themselves awards.  Journalists ran with this story, but none of which actually looked at the makeup of who was capable of the votes.

     

    What s sham to gamers.

     

    Would you like to borrow some tin foil?

    That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  • Paragus1Paragus1 Philadelphia, PAPosts: 1,739Member Uncommon
  • DraronDraron A town in, KYPosts: 993Member
    Originally posted by Paragus1

    Reminds me of this....

     

    http://i.imgur.com/BEZOe.png

    Almost as bad as this.

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common
    Originally posted by Pivotelite
    Originally posted by Nadia

    http://www.gdconlineawards.com/rules/

    eligible titles are persistent online video games which were initially released in Beta or full version June 1, 2011 – May 31, 2012 in North America

    there wasnt much to pick from

    what does timespan leave?   SWTOR and TERA ?

     But if it's SWTOR and TERA ... why did SWTOR win this...

    "Best Online Visual Arts: Star Wars: The Old Republic (BioWare Austin)"

    A cartoony butchered Star Wars themed game with awful animations somehow won that over TERA?

    They also won best Tech, i'm pretty sure hitboxes, collision detection, self aimed reticle combat is harder and more complicated than tab targetting, also TERA is a persistent world.

    Both games are full of flaws, but SWTOR does not deserve those two rewards for any reason at all, I would have given the reward to the Sims in artstyle before SWTOR because SWTOR already had art to go off and they still managed to do horribly.

    agree i would have voted for TERA for visual effects

     

     the nominee listings

    http://gdconlineawards.com/nominee/index.html

    Best Online Visual Arts

    The Best Online Visual Arts Award recognizes the overall excellence of visual art in online games including, but not limited to, character and animation design, interface design, and 2D or 3D art creation and direction of all kinds

        WINNER: Star Wars: The Old Republic (BioWare Austin)
        Tera (Bluehole Studio/En Masse)
        Empires & Allies (Zynga LA)
        Age of Empires Online (Robot Entertainment & Gas Powered Games)
        Glitch (Tiny Speck)

    Best Online Technology

    The Best Online Technology Award recognizes the overall excellence of technology in an online game. This includes excellence in complexity of network infrastructure, persistent world coding, graphics technology, artificial intelligence, or any other elements.

        WINNER: Star Wars: The Old Republic (BioWare Austin)
        Diablo III (Blizzard Entertainment)
        Indiana Jones Adventure World (Zynga Boston)
        Tera (Bluehole Studio/En Masse)
        The Sims Social (Playfish)

  • RavingRabbidRavingRabbid Virginia beach, VAPosts: 1,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Karteli

    ref:

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/179174/Live_from_the_Game_Developers_Choice_Online_Awards.php

    Special thanks to Sevenstar61 in thread
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/367031/page/1

    for revealing the award link.

    Among the most puzzling:

    Best New Online Game: Star Wars: The Old Republic (BioWare Austin)

    "It was a long journey to get there, and a lot of people. It's a huge game, the biggest thing I can imagine to do, this project. A lot of effort went into it." - Former executive producer Rich Vogel, who was, touchingly, brought on stage by the current team members in attendance to accept the award with them.

     

    The advisory board:

    http://www.gdconline.com/aboutgdc/advisoryboard.html

     

    A significant number of people on the board are either affiliated with EA or once were.  Rich Vogel was recently laid off from EA and dusting off his resume (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/174300/SWTORs_executive_producer_leaves_BioWare_amid_layoff_reports.php), and Gordon Walton is responsible for the alpha version of SWTOR's Hero Engine, which he said EA would finish it themselves (http://www.heroengine.com/2011/11/heroengine-meets-starwars/).  Mr. Walton left EA's subdivision BioWare in early 2011 (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33051/BioWare_Austins_Walton_Leaves_To_Join_Playdom_Austin.php).

     

    Among the other questionable "voting" board members:


    Robert Zubek, former EA employee (http://arnetminer.org/person/robert-zubek-319979.html)

    Euguene Evans, VP & Studio GM of Mythic (EA) http://www.developconference.com/page.cfm/Action=Visitor/VisitorID=482)

    Chris Mayar, former Technical Director at EA  http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,217471/

    Min Kim, former Localization Direction at EA http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Kyung+min/Kim

    [I'll check others if I have time, gave up because 85% of them had an EA affiliation that was publicized]

     

    Others are still affiliated with EA, or were at one time.  It hardly seems fair, even though SWTOR wasn't up to par with expectations, that developers get to vote for themselves to advance their carrers, on a panel that has a significant proportion of EA influence.  Just to give themselves awards.  Journalists ran with this story, but none of which actually looked at the makeup of who was capable of the votes.

     

    What s sham to gamers.

     

    LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obsess hate much? Conspiracy theorys abound!!!!

    All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
    Playing: SWTOR, ESO, WOT, and Marvel Heroes

  • S1LentKillerS1LentKiller place far far away, MIPosts: 71Member
    lol hahaha good one.
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