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AtlanNorAtlanNor Lynchburg, VAPosts: 38Member Uncommon
I am very interested in UW but I've never played a full loot game.  So could someone tell me how you protect all the cool gear you get other than just leaving it in a chest somewhere.  Seems like I would find some cool gear and lose it almost immediately when some higher level decides to crush me.  How does this whole dynamic work in DF:UW?  I know, I'm a noob.
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  • gravesworngravesworn charleston, WVPosts: 324Member
    Well the good news is you dont have to protect the gear, every single weapon and armor is craftable. They do take durability damage over use and they cant be repaired, but a master crafter can make armor that is far mor durable than scavanged armor. Unless of course you killed a master craftsman and took it as your spoils of war. The armor and weapons do have tiers but it isnt as important as other games. If you were so inclined to keep your armor then group up and run around. Saftey in numbers mate. Trust me though, there is a wonderfully sick satisfaction in killing someone and taking their armor. Hell, they can always make more. Basically if you have nver tried it, you should, games like this offer that adreniline rush that few other genres can offer.
  • JakdstripperJakdstripper logan lake, BCPosts: 2,126Member Uncommon

    gear in DF is actaully very easy to come by. 80% of gear is quite disposable so really when you die and get looted you just farm Iron for a little bit and make yourself one other set of armor.

    it's really not that big a deal losing armor.

    or course there is some very nice and rare armor that is made with very rare ores, and most people will not wear that unless it's a huge fight and you have lots of friendlies ready to loot your body if you die.

    also you do lose gear, but when you kill others you also gain gear. so you'll have days where you lose 5 sets of armor, and days where you gain 5 sets of armor. it's really not that big a deal. sometimes you'll just be walking arround and find a body of a dead player with full set of armor/weappons/loot....win.

     

  • Entris38Entris38 Somewhere, OHPosts: 321Member Uncommon
    The common misconception in most "full loot" games is that people have a fear of losing precious items. Almost every full loot game I've played has been the opposite where as gear was increcdibly easy to come by and replace. I'm not a pvp fanatic anymore as I was in my younger years, finger dexterity is shot hahah. I now prefer PVE games with minimal pvp. I did play DF for some time and it was very easy to craft, so I had a good stock of armor and weapons in the bank.
  • TopherpunchTopherpunch Apex, NCPosts: 86Member

    Imagine you have a chest piece that you found from a mob, han five secounds later you figure out the mob drops that same chest piece every three times it dies. Withing an hour of farming you now have 50 of those same pieces. Go to the bank and put them in there, if you can make it.

    Basically all the gear is in such abundance that you really don;t have to worry about losing it. The only time you should be in fear of losing something is if you have something of great value, like a large ship or a house deed. Hopefully if you do have one of these items you are being escorted by some friends. Nothing better than loot a corpse only to find something like that on a player.

    Honestly the FFA loot system is not as bad as people say it is. Even if you lose what you have out of your bag it is so easily replaceable. Aside from the really rare stuff, like a house deed or crazy good and enchanted armor you might only have for a certain mob deep in hiding. Really you wouldn't get mad if you lose your stuff 90% of the time. You would just go make another bag and go out and do it again.

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  • kaiser3282kaiser3282 Phoenix, AZPosts: 2,659Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Topherpunch

    Imagine you have a chest piece that you found from a mob, han five secounds later you figure out the mob drops that same chest piece every three times it dies. Withing an hour of farming you now have 50 of those same pieces. Go to the bank and put them in there, if you can make it.

    Basically all the gear is in such abundance that you really don;t have to worry about losing it. The only time you should be in fear of losing something is if you have something of great value, like a large ship or a house deed. Hopefully if you do have one of these items you are being escorted by some friends. Nothing better than loot a corpse only to find something like that on a player.

    Honestly the FFA loot system is not as bad as people say it is. Even if you lose what you have out of your bag it is so easily replaceable. Aside from the really rare stuff, like a house deed or crazy good and enchanted armor you might only have for a certain mob deep in hiding. Really you wouldn't get mad if you lose your stuff 90% of the time. You would just go make another bag and go out and do it again.

    Pretty much this.

    You cant go into a full loot game like this with the preconceptions of gear you have from other games. If you took "good" gear in other games, youre typically talking stuff that took tons of time doing things like raids just to get a single piece. But in a game like Darkfall youll be constantly going back to sell and bank stuff for every hour or 2 you spend out farming mobs for quests and leveling your skills because you become over encumbered. Theres certain mobs youll focus on farming for some very useful gear, even if its just temporary while youre short on funds or cant craft better gear yourself. Once you get your crafting skills up you can usually pump out full sets of gear quite easily.

    When I played in the past we had bags, dozens of them at all times, piled up in the clan bank of decent sets of gear for people to just grab one and toss it all on and get back to PvPing when we needed them because its expected youre oing to die and lose your stuff. We would have full sets of various types of armor (different ones for mages, hybrids, and melees) armor, a 1h melee, 2h melee, bow, staff, a few potions, and a small amount of regs for spells in each bag so people didnt have to go searching for stuff. On top of that people also had their own stashes full of better gear eithe rin the forms of ready bags like in the clan bank, or partial sets like if they had a preference for certain armor setup, or had high grade and / or enchanted stuff they wanted to grab for going and pvping. People also specifically held onto low durability gear for PvPing because chances are you will die at some point, so why waste a full durability one that you could take for farming mobs for a couple of hours anyway.

    Just kind of need to get over the whole idea of "OMG gear is so valuable it sucks so bad to lose it". Just expect that youre going to lose it 1 way or another. If not from having it taken, it will break from durability loss anyway. Just make sure you stockpile a good supply of mob dropped gear until youre at a point where you can focus on making your own better gear and then stockpile that. Just bank regularly and youll quickly get over worrying about losing stuff. "Dont take what you cant afford to lose" is a pretty simple rule most players in DF live by.

  • phantomghostphantomghost Atlanta, GAPosts: 694Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by AtlanNor
    I am very interested in UW but I've never played a full loot game.  So could someone tell me how you protect all the cool gear you get other than just leaving it in a chest somewhere.  Seems like I would find some cool gear and lose it almost immediately when some higher level decides to crush me.  How does this whole dynamic work in DF:UW?  I know, I'm a noob.

    In DF1 you had some garbage weapon that could never be taken.

     

    There are no higher levels, just better geared/more skilled players.

     

    All the gear will be relatively replacable with minimal efforts.

    Typically, if you are going around alone or in small numbers you would bring appropriate gear... maybe not the top end gear... keep that in the bank.

     

    If you are in a major war where every bit may help you might bring the high end gear.  Typically, you will lose/gain gear in battles as you die your stuff is looted, as others die it gets looted... it just depends how you make out at the end of the fight... or how your allies are willing to give back gear they looted of yours or offer up some gear to replace gear lost.

     

    I know my clan would typically all  work towards crafting gear/weapons for attacks as a group.  Then that would be our gear for war so if we lost it, it was not a big deal.

     

    You will get use to full loot.  The only thing I hated was disconnecting and losing my mounts or getting killed, but nothing you can do there, but hope your internet or the game does not crash.

     

     

    Also as you progress you will notice early on you saved up some low end gear in your bank... then one day you will take that out and sell i because you replaced it with slightly better gear... until you got loads of great gear,

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  • ZnarfZnarf TorinoPosts: 81Member Common

    DF1 (because DFUW could be slightly different...) is much more skill based than gear based.

    that is PLAYER skill based: a top pvper with medium gear will beat a bad pvper with top gear every time!:)

    also if you are lucky you can find the tombs of guys killed by mobs and take all !:)

  • VikingGamerVikingGamer Nowhere, TXPosts: 1,347Member Uncommon

    It it important to realize that in these kinds of games, armor and weapons are simply tools to help you get a thing done. They never last and are not intended to. Unlike games like WoW, your progress is not made in terms of levels AND gear. That is why loosing gear in a WoW like game would be so harsh, because getting better gear either leveling or at end game is part of your development. You might as well also have exp loss on death if you are going to play that way.

    In DF your gear has nothing to do with your progress. Gear with any kinds of bonuses are more like having temporary buffs. The important thing is to have a sword so you can stab the enemy and have extras stashed so that you can replace it.

    It also helps to keep the perspective that something is not really yours to keep until you have it stashed safe in a bank somewhere. You don't want to always try to maximize your looting by completely filling up and only then heading to town. The more you get and the longer you stay out the more risk you take. Make more frequent trips back to the bank if you want to reduce your risk.

    A lot of people have trouble making this kind of conceptual transition in Eve Online as well. Your ship is not you, it is just a tool to let you run missions or mine or pirate or whatever. A ship has a halflife. it will get destroyed sooner or later. make the best use of it while you still have it. Same in DF. Your gear is not who you are, your progess is measured in other ways. Your gear is just a tool to allow you to get other jobs done. Your gear has a halflife so don't get attached. Use it, make the most of it and then replace it.

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  • AtlanNorAtlanNor Lynchburg, VAPosts: 38Member Uncommon

    Awesome.  Thank you all for your insight.  I have just been trying game after game with no satisfaction and not really sure what I'm missing in games any more.  There are so many things about games like this that do appeal to me and the one game where I truly felt at home at was Asheron's Call years ago.  Loved the skills based system and how you had to work for things and it wasn't all just handed to you.  love the concepts of UW, looking forward to trying it.  Hopefully it will come out sooner than later...hehe.

    I will not accept the notion that I'm getting too old and outgrowing games...I just can't.

  • xDayxxDayx St Charles, MOPosts: 712Member

    All gear eventually breaks over time anyway.  The higher skills you have the better gear you loot and can craft.  You always have roughly about 8 sets of replacement gear in the bank just in case you lose 1 set.

     

  • phantomghostphantomghost Atlanta, GAPosts: 694Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by AtlanNor

    Awesome.  Thank you all for your insight.  I have just been trying game after game with no satisfaction and not really sure what I'm missing in games any more.  There are so many things about games like this that do appeal to me and the one game where I truly felt at home at was Asheron's Call years ago.  Loved the skills based system and how you had to work for things and it wasn't all just handed to you.  love the concepts of UW, looking forward to trying it.  Hopefully it will come out sooner than later...hehe.

    I will not accept the notion that I'm getting too old and outgrowing games...I just can't.

    I know what I miss from games is just the overall grouping with other players and actually forming friends/allies etc.  I also enjoyed progression and working towards better gear, not the do a quest and have decent gear or do pvp bgs.

     

    DF you will at least get that group feeling... not necessarily the same way some of the old games did for PvE... although you will do group events in PvE... you will mostly group up for PvP (to prevent it in some cases, or because you want to start pvp).

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  • ZushakonZushakon JönköpingPosts: 119Member
    Originally posted by VikingGamer

    It it important to realize that in these kinds of games, armor and weapons are simply tools to help you get a thing done. They never last and are not intended to. Unlike games like WoW, your progress is not made in terms of levels AND gear. That is why loosing gear in a WoW like game would be so harsh, because getting better gear either leveling or at end game is part of your development. You might as well also have exp loss on death if you are going to play that way.

    In DF your gear has nothing to do with your progress. Gear with any kinds of bonuses are more like having temporary buffs. The important thing is to have a sword so you can stab the enemy and have extras stashed so that you can replace it.

    It also helps to keep the perspective that something is not really yours to keep until you have it stashed safe in a bank somewhere. You don't want to always try to maximize your looting by completely filling up and only then heading to town. The more you get and the longer you stay out the more risk you take. Make more frequent trips back to the bank if you want to reduce your risk.

    A lot of people have trouble making this kind of conceptual transition in Eve Online as well. Your ship is not you, it is just a tool to let you run missions or mine or pirate or whatever. A ship has a halflife. it will get destroyed sooner or later. make the best use of it while you still have it. Same in DF. Your gear is not who you are, your progess is measured in other ways. Your gear is just a tool to allow you to get other jobs done. Your gear has a halflife so don't get attached. Use it, make the most of it and then replace it.

    Good post!

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  • GaladournGaladourn AthensPosts: 1,052Member
    as others have said, gear is really not something you'll be worrying about in DF. The sense of progress will come each time you hear a ding (figure of speech) from a skill leveling up. That's what character development is centered on, gear is an afterthought and frankly, quite easy to stack in the bank.
  • xpiherxpiher Indianapolis, INPosts: 3,311Member
    Originally posted by AtlanNor
    I am very interested in UW but I've never played a full loot game.  So could someone tell me how you protect all the cool gear you get other than just leaving it in a chest somewhere.  Seems like I would find some cool gear and lose it almost immediately when some higher level decides to crush me.  How does this whole dynamic work in DF:UW?  I know, I'm a noob.

    Epic gear doesn't exist in the traditional sense. There aren't any bosses that will drop a super powerful sword 1/100th of the time. Instead, that boss will drop lots of crafting mats that can be used to craft an powerful weapon; however, there will be other places to get those mats. Replacing gear in a FFA Full loot game is only an issue for people who do not know how to farm or min-max gear for farming. You never travel in your best stuff, you save that when you want to go hunt other people. Even if you do farm with your best stuff, its by comparison, easy to replace

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  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member
    Originally posted by AtlanNor
    I am very interested in UW but I've never played a full loot game.  So could someone tell me how you protect all the cool gear you get other than just leaving it in a chest somewhere.  Seems like I would find some cool gear and lose it almost immediately when some higher level decides to crush me.  How does this whole dynamic work in DF:UW?  I know, I'm a noob.

    Cool gear does not really exist in full loot games because as almost everyone are getting killed they are to sure to lose that gear. This, unfourtunately for me, removes the element of playing to get good gear which is why full loot games are not for me.

    You need to decide if it is for you or not. I.e. do you care about getting cool gear and keeping it? If so then full loot games are not for you either.

  • CaldrinCaldrin CwmbranPosts: 4,533Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by AtlanNor

    Awesome.  Thank you all for your insight.  I have just been trying game after game with no satisfaction and not really sure what I'm missing in games any more.  There are so many things about games like this that do appeal to me and the one game where I truly felt at home at was Asheron's Call years ago.  Loved the skills based system and how you had to work for things and it wasn't all just handed to you.  love the concepts of UW, looking forward to trying it.  Hopefully it will come out sooner than later...hehe.

    I will not accept the notion that I'm getting too old and outgrowing games...I just can't.

    main thing to remember, find yourself a good guild to run with.. DF is not designed to be played solo.. you can play solo but its hard, very hard.

  • KshahdooKshahdoo MoscowPosts: 553Member


    Originally posted by Yamota

    Originally posted by AtlanNor I am very interested in UW but I've never played a full loot game.  So could someone tell me how you protect all the cool gear you get other than just leaving it in a chest somewhere.  Seems like I would find some cool gear and lose it almost immediately when some higher level decides to crush me.  How does this whole dynamic work in DF:UW?  I know, I'm a noob.
    Cool gear does not really exist in full loot games because as almost everyone are getting killed they are to sure to lose that gear. This, unfourtunately for me, removes the element of playing to get good gear which is why full loot games are not for me.

    You need to decide if it is for you or not. I.e. do you care about getting cool gear and keeping it? If so then full loot games are not for you either.


    Wrong, there is cool gear in FFA Full Loot games. For example those titans in EVE worth more, than any wow account. The matter is how this cool stuff is used. I mean you won't fly your titan if you aren't sure it's safe. You won't run with your full dragon/R80 Q5 enchanted gear just to kill a couple of raiders in DFO. It's for tournaments and very important pvp-events. And only if you are a pro-pvper or have a few million golds in your bank.

  • ThaliostThaliost LeiriaPosts: 99Member

    I was amazed at how much I disagree with most of the feedback given.

     

    My view:

    It is full loot, but they can only steal what you are wearing or have on your backpack. All the stuff that you have stored inside your bank is safe.

     

    Now, this does not mean that you might get very pissed when you die and you lose all your stuff that you are carrying. So the best response is, never wear anything that you are not willing to lose.

     

    Although gear and weapons are easy to come by, good gear and good weapons aren't so easy. You need to have a thick skin and not get dispaired over losing your stuff. Also, killing other people/winning helps a lot :D

     

    I usually wear stuff according to what I am doing. When I am going about my normal life, I use normal stuff that I will not be pissed off to lose. When there are sieges (city conquest), I use my best stuff, specially, when you are defending your own city from an offensive siege. When I was defending my own city, I didn't give much importance to losing good stuff because trying to keep the city was much more important and every bit of advantage (stats-wise) was worth using.

     

     

    But it is this strong emotion of full-loot that makes this game so awesome. If you die in WoW, what do you really lose? ... So how do you feel when you die? Not very bad...

     

    In Darkfall, when you go into PvP or just hear noises in the middle of the countryside, your heart rate jumps because you know you might be dragged into a battle and if you do fight, you know that you might lose the stuff you are carrying or win some1 else's. This is the best gaming feeling there is!

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  • 123443211234123443211234 seattle, WAPosts: 244Member
    Originally posted by Thaliost

    I was amazed at how much I disagree with most of the feedback given.

     

    My view:

    It is full loot, but they can only steal what you are wearing or have on your backpack. All the stuff that you have stored inside your bank is safe.

     

    Now, this does not mean that you might get very pissed when you die and you lose all your stuff that you are carrying. So the best response is, never wear anything that you are not willing to lose.

     

    Although gear and weapons are easy to come by, good gear and good weapons aren't so easy. You need to have a thick skin and not get dispaired over losing your stuff. Also, killing other people/winning helps a lot :D

     

    I usually wear stuff according to what I am doing. When I am going about my normal life, I use normal stuff that I will not be pissed off to lose. When there are sieges (city conquest), I use my best stuff, specially, when you are defending your own city from an offensive siege. When I was defending my own city, I didn't give much importance to losing good stuff because trying to keep the city was much more important and every bit of advantage (stats-wise) was worth using.

     

     

    But it is this strong emotion of full-loot that makes this game so awesome. If you die in WoW, what do you really lose? ... So how do you feel when you die? Not very bad...

     

    In Darkfall, when you go into PvP or just hear noises in the middle of the countryside, your heart rate jumps because you know you might be dragged into a battle and if you do fight, you know that you might lose the stuff you are carrying or win some1 else's. This is the best gaming feeling there is!

    LOL see that part in red, ya you didn't actually read any of the other posts because if you had you would realize your post says the exact same thing as almost every other post in this thread.

     

    TLDR:  Only take out what you can afford to lose.

  • HotjazzHotjazz BalsfjordPosts: 742Member
    Originally posted by Caldrin

    main thing to remember, find yourself a good guild to run with.. DF is not designed to be played solo.. you can play solo but its hard, very hard.

    This, you will miss out on all the cool stuff in Darkfall if you try to play it solo.

     

    Your clan will provide you with gear, safety and friends. Full-loot mmos like Darkfall are not like your average WOW clone, because we are so dependent of each other. Your clan will most likely be friends with other clans in the area, and those clans will be part of an alliance. And that`s when the fun part begins.

     

    If you want  awesome sieges, sea and land battles you have to join a clan. And don`t wait a few months before you join, join a clan the moment Darkfall starts. A clan share all the tricks, good spots, macros and the best time in Darkfall 1 was the first three months.

     

    The big stuff doesn`t happen all the time, so you can play solo most of the time anyway.

     

  • BadaboomBadaboom Moose Jaw, SKPosts: 2,380Member
    The most valuable resource in Darkfall is your time.  So when you get killed it just means it will take time to recoup your loses.  As you get better, it will be win some and lose some.  I have read that AV is trying to fix some of the prep time problems but am curious to see to what extent.
  • rikiliirikilii Alexandria, VAPosts: 1,084Member Common

    Although it's pretty easy to get gear, and you can always decide to roll in the easier to get stuff without too great a disadvantage, the fact that you can lose something when you die adds a HUGE adrenaline rush to the game that you will never get from other MMOs.

     

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  • BiskopBiskop AvalonPosts: 709Member

    Others have already pointed out the most important aspects of full loot in DF.

    I'd just like to add that while a FFA environment can seem very harsh to someone coming from PVE games, you will do just fine if you only have the right attitude about it when you're starting out. 

    In my experience, people who rage and cry about FFA full loot games are people who somehow believe their crap loot is unreplacable, and that getting attacked is a personal assault intended to ruin their day. Since safe PVE farming is the norm to them, they don't understand that PVE in a FFA game is risky and requires planning, thinking and paying attention - i.e. that they getting killed and losing all their stuff is their own fault.

    You can't just mindlessly farm mobs for hours, you need to be aware of your surroundings, listen for sounds, look over your shoulder, and be certain to run back to bank often. This means you'll be on your toes all the time, even while farming mobs or harvesting mats. This is one of the things that makes FFA games special and fun - you're never completely safe and once you accept that you'll have a lot more fun.

    Just prepare yourself for death; expect to be killed and to lose your worthless noob gear a couple of times, and you'll soon realize that doing so is no disaster. The worst thing that will happen is that you'll do some extra bankruns once in a while. Since all the noob mob spawns are close to safe towns, we're not talking about hours of in-game time here.

    And if some pro vet rapes you and realizes you're a noob, he'll probably let you keep your stuff since it's nothing to him. Mayebe he'll even give some some tips and advice if you're cool about the whole thing, while if you send him rage PMs he'll just laugh at your tears and post screenshots of them at forumfall.

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,970Member Uncommon

    When I played DF it went like this... store everything in the bank. Bank your money every time you go to town, bank extra weapons and armor, fishing rods, wands etc. etc. Never use your better items for simple things like grinding. It's the skills that matter in DF, the items play a minor role in comparison.

    For every item you might lose, you will probably have 10 more of them in your bank just in case you lose the ones on you.

    People think of it as something like losing all your gear in a game like WoW. It's nothing like that, items are not treasured, are easy to come by and are always replaceable with minimal effort.

     

  • kaiser3282kaiser3282 Phoenix, AZPosts: 2,659Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Biskop

    Others have already pointed out the most important aspects of full loot in DF.

    I'd just like to add that while a FFA environment can seem very harsh to someone coming from PVE games, you will do just fine if you only have the right attitude about it when you're starting out. 

    In my experience, people who rage and cry about FFA full loot games are people who somehow believe their crap loot is unreplacable, and that getting attacked is a personal assault intended to ruin their day. Since safe PVE farming is the norm to them, they don't understand that PVE in a FFA game is risky and requires planning, thinking and paying attention - i.e. that they getting killed and losing all their stuff is their own fault.

    You can't just mindlessly farm mobs for hours, you need to be aware of your surroundings, listen for sounds, look over your shoulder, and be certain to run back to bank often. This means you'll be on your toes all the time, even while farming mobs or harvesting mats. This is one of the things that makes FFA games special and fun - you're never completely safe and once you accept that you'll have a lot more fun.

    Just prepare yourself for death; expect to be killed and to lose your worthless noob gear a couple of times, and you'll soon realize that doing so is no disaster. The worst thing that will happen is that you'll do some extra bankruns once in a while. Since all the noob mob spawns are close to safe towns, we're not talking about hours of in-game time here.

    And if some pro vet rapes you and realizes you're a noob, he'll probably let you keep your stuff since it's nothing to him. Mayebe he'll even give some some tips and advice if you're cool about the whole thing, while if you send him rage PMs he'll just laugh at your tears and post screenshots of them at forumfall.

    You make some good points.

    1st, the whole being on your toes thing. Thats one thing DF offers that so few games have nowadays. I remember doing things like going on solo runs way off near the edge of the map to farm a golem for crafting mats by myself hoping my remote location would keep me pretty safe. He was on a small island with almost nothing but water in view of the island. Things would happen like being there for an hour or so doing well, getting a decent amount of maps then all of a sudden my ping jumps up and its just like "Oh shit. Please dont let there be a lot of them". It wound up being 1 guy on a raft coming to farm the same golem. I managed to hide myself from view just under the water at the edge of the island as he sailed around it repeatedly, because he noticed someone else was in the area too. I had to keep swimming around slowly so as not to draw attention and stay out of his view and managed to get myself directly underneath his raft for awhile without being noticed and eventually (like 15 minutes later) he seemed to think I left the area and started farming. I snuck around watching him from a distance for a good while and could see by his spells and how quickly he was taking down the golem that I wouldnt stand a chance in a fair fight against him. I waited for awhile hoping maybe he would get himself in a pinch with the golem and I could quickly get in to finish him off, but that didnt happen so I wound up having to sneak off quietly trying to remain undetected so I could hold onto the rare mats I hard farmed off the golem. The entire time Im tensed up hoping this guy wont see me and take all my valuable stuff. If he did see me I had to be ready to fight my hardest to keep it. It was a minor encounter without a fight in the end but exciting anyway just knowing the risk involved and trying to out manuever my enemy and not be found. Thats part of what makes DF so fun to play. Yeah losing your stuff sucks, but the excitement and tension when encountering other players makes it so much more interesting.

    And yeah you're very right about the vets vs noobs. Sure there are asshats in the game who will gank and rob 1st day noobs and take their goblin axes and 50 gold just because they can, but there were plenty of times starting out when I would get killed by some guy who was maxed out, or near it, who would do stuff like kill me because Im near one of their holdings or because they were hunting someone else nearby but then they would res me afterwards after clearing up that Im not in the area to steal from their holdings, etc. At worst many of the vets would kill you, maybe take 1 or 2 valuables things off you, but leave the majority of it there. Hell Ive even had people with spare gear on them give me some of their stuff after they saw how weak my gear was.

    The majority of the time, if you accept your loss "like a man" and dont go into childish fits of rage directed at the person who killed you, theyre usually pretty respectful and arent out to rob you blind, just out for some killing. Raging at them is a pretty sure way to not only get your entire corpse looted, but also get people to camp an area so they can kill & rob you again.

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