I stopped playing after 2 or 3 weeks. Very tedious, soulless game.
The player retention for GW2 has been just as bad an just about any other recent game.
F2P games are "proven" bad if they don't hold a player's interest long term. B2P (with cash shop) is no different. It's possible to stop a sub and "go back" whenever a player wants as well.
Player longevity has long been a litmus test for whether a game is "good" or "bad". In those terms, GW2 is just as bad as any other recent game, with poor longevity.
The vast majority of servers still showing full to high populations, the overflows, densely populated starter areas and queues into WvW all seem to indicate that you're making crap up.
Very interesting poll. 40% out of almost 500 have quit. Another few 5% plan on playing 3 months or less. less than 50% plan on playing more than a year, plan being the key word.
While if those who plan on still playing the game this time next year make it, 900k players is pretty good in this day and age. It's a drastic change from the pre-launch hype though. To be put it frank 50% of the people think the game stinks, as in not worth playing.
Looking at this, I see GW2 being around 600k active users by this time next year.
What results did you read? The ones I saw had almost 50% planning on playing over a year. And that was with 463 votes. The already quit answer was around 26%.
41% have stopped playing, or play only when bored. 6% more think they will hang around another month or so. 5% plan on playing 6 months to a year(4 more months) with 48% plan to play more than a year.
So about 50% of the people think the game stinks, unless they like playing mmos for 3 months or less.
Sorry for rounding the poll up. It's 475 now btw.
I stopped playing after 2 or 3 weeks. Very tedious, soulless game.
The player retention for GW2 has been just as bad an just about any other recent game.
F2P games are "proven" bad if they don't hold a player's interest long term. B2P (with cash shop) is no different. It's possible to stop a sub and "go back" whenever a player wants as well.
Player longevity has long been a litmus test for whether a game is "good" or "bad". In those terms, GW2 is just as bad as any other recent game, with poor longevity.
How do you know what the player retention is? I don't find the game soulless at all. Your opinion though.
GW1 still has players and it was B2P also. Please, using sweeping conclusions are always proved wrong as there is always exceptions.
The game has been out over a month - how can we talk about longevity? Don't we need to play for years?
Bored by level 25 and moved on. I haven't logged on in a couple of weeks and even then only managed to play for a half of an hour or so.
GW2 is the most boring MMO I have ever payed for, if it was P2P I would of canceled the sub within a week after launch.
But... this thread is pretty useless. You either love it or hate it - as the polls shows, reading a few of the threads dedicated to GW2 would show you the same results.
I'm not sure how experienced you are, but I think your just spoiled. This game has many very good aspects. Mostly it sounds like you need an upgrade on your computer. I love WvW and am not getting the issues you describe. Mostly I think you need to join a big, well organized WvW guild and find out what it's really about.
This game is fantastic, and for a "f2p" model, damn good. At least you don't get the ridiculous issues that other, just released, MMO's have. The servers are almost always up and running and they have a good overflow management system. The story keeps me engaged, and there's plenty to do. You want to be hardcore? Go play something suited to your style. Don't blame the game.
No, Borderlands 2 has destroyed all desire I have to play anything else. I know it will end, eventually, but for now, this is the most "addicted" I've been since Diablo 2.
I need to finish some things up in WoW before my sub expires, but I just can't. The bandits are calling; they want me to shoot them and take their guns. I'll oblige.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
No, I didn't even see myself playing 2 weeks out of launch. Its nothing special in my opinion and was completely overhyped. Its the same grinding quest game they said it wasn't going to be... actually its worse. At least in your traditional WoW styled questing you're guided... in this one you just go around the map for hours hunting for events to be able to do 5-10 minutes of your story then having to gain another 3+ levels.
PVP is... well dumb. I do not like scaled form of PVP and wish they'd also bring along a non scaled version of it. Sure you could say WvWvW for gear... but you're still scaled to lvl 80.
No, I didn't even see myself playing 2 weeks out of launch. Its nothing special in my opinion and was completely overhyped. Its the same grinding quest game they said it wasn't going to be... actually its worse. At least in your traditional WoW styled questing you're guided... in this one you just go around the map for hours hunting for events to be able to do 5-10 minutes of your story then having to gain another 3+ levels.
PVP is... well dumb. I do not like scaled form of PVP and wish they'd also bring along a non scaled version of it. Sure you could say WvWvW for gear... but you're still scaled to lvl 80.
You really want to be led by the nose from hub to hub. I thought most people were sick of this style of play? It's not the be all end all (shallow Themepark after all) but complaining that it doesn't force you down a linear path enough is a criticism I never thought I would hear about this game or any game really.
No, I didn't even see myself playing 2 weeks out of launch. Its nothing special in my opinion and was completely overhyped. Its the same grinding quest game they said it wasn't going to be... actually its worse. At least in your traditional WoW styled questing you're guided... in this one you just go around the map for hours hunting for events to be able to do 5-10 minutes of your story then having to gain another 3+ levels.
PVP is... well dumb. I do not like scaled form of PVP and wish they'd also bring along a non scaled version of it. Sure you could say WvWvW for gear... but you're still scaled to lvl 80.
So what you want is griefing PvP? No thanks. If you can't play in a level playing field - you don't want to play PvP In GW1 or GW2.
No, I didn't even see myself playing 2 weeks out of launch. Its nothing special in my opinion and was completely overhyped. Its the same grinding quest game they said it wasn't going to be... actually its worse. At least in your traditional WoW styled questing you're guided... in this one you just go around the map for hours hunting for events to be able to do 5-10 minutes of your story then having to gain another 3+ levels.
PVP is... well dumb. I do not like scaled form of PVP and wish they'd also bring along a non scaled version of it. Sure you could say WvWvW for gear... but you're still scaled to lvl 80.
You really want to be led by the nose from hub to hub. I thought most people were sick of this style of play? It's not the be all end all (shallow Themepark after all) but complaining that it doesn't force you down a linear path enough is a criticism I never thought I would hear about this game or any game really.
As I said before, the most fantastic game in the world could be released and many people here would complain becuase it is not what they wanted. Is GW2 perfect? No way but it has an interesting design and story IF you give it a chance. The exploration is quite fun. GW2 yes can be played by casual players but does that mean that hardcore gamers are excluded - No it doesn't. It does seem that people either want a hardcore game (like EVE) or a casual game (like GW1) but nothing to cover both. That is ridiculous.
I've been playing since release and *still* feel I have more ahead of me to do than behind me. We're really enjoying it.
No end game content? That's completely inaccurate - if you've arrived at this conclusion you're grossly misinformed, there's a crap ton of stuff to work on after your characters hit 80, to claim otherwise is really absurd. It may not be goals you're personally interested in, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
The other part thats a bit biased - unplayable WvW? BS. Get a better PC? My wife & I play on max settings and have never - ever- had any negative experiences in WvW caused by 'lag' or performance. If you're seriously lagging that badly, consider your carrier more closely, or upgrade. I can assure you some of us simply aren't having the issues you are - can't *really* blame the game for that I'm afraid.
My prediction? You're not some one I'd go to for advice if you've seriously concluded this game will 'be dead by christmas'.
The expansion and the updates are what I'm looking forward to. Halloween event is coming, and I can't wait what ANet has to offer. As of now, I'm still hooked even with an 80. There's more stuff that I need to do: dungeons, exploration, PvP, WvWvW. It's too much if you ask me.
Originally posted by Aimee46 Yes, sure will be even playing it in 2014. Its absolutely the best game made in the last 5 years.
Thanks for posting this. I will add you to my list of people I will follow-up with in 2 years to see how it played out.
Speaking in absolutes makes for great entertainment.
You have that kind of list laying around? Then again, you do look kind of bored. If making lists and then looking at them years later makes for great entertainment, I can only hope you find a game that entices you. Say... Minesweeper.
I was probably playing GW2 when the picture was taken.
I'm not sure how experienced you are, but I think your just spoiled. This game has many very good aspects. Mostly it sounds like you need an upgrade on your computer. I love WvW and am not getting the issues you describe. Mostly I think you need to join a big, well organized WvW guild and find out what it's really about.
This game is fantastic, and for a "f2p" model, damn good. At least you don't get the ridiculous issues that other, just released, MMO's have. The servers are almost always up and running and they have a good overflow management system. The story keeps me engaged, and there's plenty to do. You want to be hardcore? Go play something suited to your style. Don't blame the game.
Draz
That's the biggest innovation GW2 brought to the genre. It needs tweeks, but it is defintley a positive, and hopefully it will be part of any sever model going forward.
Originally posted by Aimee46 Yes, sure will be even playing it in 2014. Its absolutely the best game made in the last 5 years.
Thanks for posting this. I will add you to my list of people I will follow-up with in 2 years to see how it played out.
Speaking in absolutes makes for great entertainment.
You have that kind of list laying around? Then again, you do look kind of bored. If making lists and then looking at them years later makes for great entertainment, I can only hope you find a game that entices you. Say... Minesweeper.
I was probably playing GW2 when the picture was taken.
No, I didn't even see myself playing 2 weeks out of launch. Its nothing special in my opinion and was completely overhyped. Its the same grinding quest game they said it wasn't going to be... actually its worse. At least in your traditional WoW styled questing you're guided... in this one you just go around the map for hours hunting for events to be able to do 5-10 minutes of your story then having to gain another 3+ levels.
PVP is... well dumb. I do not like scaled form of PVP and wish they'd also bring along a non scaled version of it. Sure you could say WvWvW for gear... but you're still scaled to lvl 80.
You really want to be led by the nose from hub to hub. I thought most people were sick of this style of play? It's not the be all end all (shallow Themepark after all) but complaining that it doesn't force you down a linear path enough is a criticism I never thought I would hear about this game or any game really.
To some extent yes. I do not like the system of GW2 at all. It's horrible in my opinion. Do I like the freedom? Yes. However it will implemented so poorly. Having to spend hours and hours roaming the map looking for events to lvl up (farming the same ones often times) becomes boring as hell. So after my hours of farming same events, being an escort everywhere, killing x of x coming at me... its just nothing new.
Guild Wars 2 was advertised to put an end to the common MMO, but this is nothing different beyond being more annoying. I still am sent to kill x of x and gather x of x like every other game, just in a more annoying manner.
No, I didn't even see myself playing 2 weeks out of launch. Its nothing special in my opinion and was completely overhyped. Its the same grinding quest game they said it wasn't going to be... actually its worse. At least in your traditional WoW styled questing you're guided... in this one you just go around the map for hours hunting for events to be able to do 5-10 minutes of your story then having to gain another 3+ levels.
PVP is... well dumb. I do not like scaled form of PVP and wish they'd also bring along a non scaled version of it. Sure you could say WvWvW for gear... but you're still scaled to lvl 80.
So what you want is griefing PvP? No thanks. If you can't play in a level playing field - you don't want to play PvP In GW1 or GW2.
Judging by your response I can tell you're a person who has been the victim of many better geared or higher level players owning you. Me... I enjoy it. It gives me something to strive for. Right now there is no differences, we're all the same. There is no incentive for me to want to play through any hardship to work to equal or better groups. I'm just... given that ground.
Sorry that I enjoyed outplaying someone with better gear or enjoyed having to progress and work for my gear.. not be given the same stuff as joesmoe who just is playing for the first time.
I am still playing with my only toon even though I already reached level 80. Joining a guild that is active in W v W and uses voice comm has been a great deal to me. I see myself playing GW2 for at least 6 months and beyond.
Yes, I see GW2 grow. The game is not feature complete yet and I'm not talking about just adding more areas and dynamic events. The teambased paid sPVP and observer mode has been announced already so I won't add these to the list of what I expect to see.
-Guild Halls/Housing
-Player Housing
-Some type of organised Guild vs Guild pvp with a ranking system.
-A lot more minigames ala kegbrawl in the main cities and other kinds of activities.
-More npc services ingame.
To me it seems they only delivered what was seen as ready and mainly avoided talking about other upcoming features. Or just hinted at (the above). I'm positive that the features above will be implemented, you can remind me if they are not.
If the game fleshes out in terms of features it will gain more staying power then with just adding new areas with DE's. Which will happen too, but the contentlocusts will devour that just as fast as now. You can't develop against that speed. But then again, it is not a big deal for me to play different games now and then and just come back after some time to GW2. After all, I did the same with GW1.
No, I didn't even see myself playing 2 weeks out of launch. Its nothing special in my opinion and was completely overhyped. Its the same grinding quest game they said it wasn't going to be... actually its worse. At least in your traditional WoW styled questing you're guided... in this one you just go around the map for hours hunting for events to be able to do 5-10 minutes of your story then having to gain another 3+ levels.
PVP is... well dumb. I do not like scaled form of PVP and wish they'd also bring along a non scaled version of it. Sure you could say WvWvW for gear... but you're still scaled to lvl 80.
So what you want is griefing PvP? No thanks. If you can't play in a level playing field - you don't want to play PvP In GW1 or GW2.
Judging by your response I can tell you're a person who has been the victim of many better geared or higher level players owning you. Me... I enjoy it. It gives me something to strive for. Right now there is no differences, we're all the same. There is no incentive for me to want to play through any hardship to work to equal or better groups. I'm just... given that ground.
Sorry that I enjoyed outplaying someone with better gear or enjoyed having to progress and work for my gear.. not be given the same stuff as joesmoe who just is playing for the first time.
No - that type of game is not for me as GW2 is not for you.
That is the point of the game. YOU ARE ALL THE SAME so, HOW GOOD ARE YOU AT PLAYING YOUR BUILD? I guess you would rather have UBER equipment then beat another player, with the same equipment, on skill alone. Because in the game you like, gear grinding, you cannot say that with any certainty - you can say your equipment is what made the difference not how well you played.
I have played gear grind games, Rift and WoW, and I find them asbsolutely mind-numbing. Why? Running the same dungeons over and over and over to get, maybe 1 drop in 10 times? No Thank You.
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The vast majority of servers still showing full to high populations, the overflows, densely populated starter areas and queues into WvW all seem to indicate that you're making crap up.
Unless I'm reading the data wrong...
Oderint, dum metuant.
How do you know what the player retention is? I don't find the game soulless at all. Your opinion though.
GW1 still has players and it was B2P also. Please, using sweeping conclusions are always proved wrong as there is always exceptions.
The game has been out over a month - how can we talk about longevity? Don't we need to play for years?
Bored by level 25 and moved on. I haven't logged on in a couple of weeks and even then only managed to play for a half of an hour or so.
GW2 is the most boring MMO I have ever payed for, if it was P2P I would of canceled the sub within a week after launch.
But... this thread is pretty useless. You either love it or hate it - as the polls shows, reading a few of the threads dedicated to GW2 would show you the same results.
I'm not sure how experienced you are, but I think your just spoiled. This game has many very good aspects. Mostly it sounds like you need an upgrade on your computer. I love WvW and am not getting the issues you describe. Mostly I think you need to join a big, well organized WvW guild and find out what it's really about.
This game is fantastic, and for a "f2p" model, damn good. At least you don't get the ridiculous issues that other, just released, MMO's have. The servers are almost always up and running and they have a good overflow management system. The story keeps me engaged, and there's plenty to do. You want to be hardcore? Go play something suited to your style. Don't blame the game.
Draz
No, Borderlands 2 has destroyed all desire I have to play anything else. I know it will end, eventually, but for now, this is the most "addicted" I've been since Diablo 2.
I need to finish some things up in WoW before my sub expires, but I just can't. The bandits are calling; they want me to shoot them and take their guns. I'll oblige.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
No, I didn't even see myself playing 2 weeks out of launch. Its nothing special in my opinion and was completely overhyped. Its the same grinding quest game they said it wasn't going to be... actually its worse. At least in your traditional WoW styled questing you're guided... in this one you just go around the map for hours hunting for events to be able to do 5-10 minutes of your story then having to gain another 3+ levels.
PVP is... well dumb. I do not like scaled form of PVP and wish they'd also bring along a non scaled version of it. Sure you could say WvWvW for gear... but you're still scaled to lvl 80.
You really want to be led by the nose from hub to hub. I thought most people were sick of this style of play? It's not the be all end all (shallow Themepark after all) but complaining that it doesn't force you down a linear path enough is a criticism I never thought I would hear about this game or any game really.
So what you want is griefing PvP? No thanks. If you can't play in a level playing field - you don't want to play PvP In GW1 or GW2.
As I said before, the most fantastic game in the world could be released and many people here would complain becuase it is not what they wanted. Is GW2 perfect? No way but it has an interesting design and story IF you give it a chance. The exploration is quite fun. GW2 yes can be played by casual players but does that mean that hardcore gamers are excluded - No it doesn't. It does seem that people either want a hardcore game (like EVE) or a casual game (like GW1) but nothing to cover both. That is ridiculous.
I've been playing since release and *still* feel I have more ahead of me to do than behind me. We're really enjoying it.
No end game content? That's completely inaccurate - if you've arrived at this conclusion you're grossly misinformed, there's a crap ton of stuff to work on after your characters hit 80, to claim otherwise is really absurd. It may not be goals you're personally interested in, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
The other part thats a bit biased - unplayable WvW? BS. Get a better PC? My wife & I play on max settings and have never - ever- had any negative experiences in WvW caused by 'lag' or performance. If you're seriously lagging that badly, consider your carrier more closely, or upgrade. I can assure you some of us simply aren't having the issues you are - can't *really* blame the game for that I'm afraid.
My prediction? You're not some one I'd go to for advice if you've seriously concluded this game will 'be dead by christmas'.
I guess the vote results speak volumes though.
After being gouged to death by the poor practices concerning content by companies like Blizzard, I've definitely found my new home here at GW2.
No other company so far has put so much time and effort into their game to make it such a nice play experience.
No other company has made it so that the game can be quickly and easily updated, patched, and painlessly reset.
No other company has gone out of their way to give their game the best solutions to every major issue any mmo player has had in the past.
Integrity goes a long way in my book.
Yes, yes and more yes.
If I ever get bored, I will play another game for a bit and come back when there is new content.
That is the beauty of a subscriptionless MMO.
Since when is Tuesday a direction?
I was probably playing GW2 when the picture was taken.
That's the biggest innovation GW2 brought to the genre. It needs tweeks, but it is defintley a positive, and hopefully it will be part of any sever model going forward.
Classic
To some extent yes. I do not like the system of GW2 at all. It's horrible in my opinion. Do I like the freedom? Yes. However it will implemented so poorly. Having to spend hours and hours roaming the map looking for events to lvl up (farming the same ones often times) becomes boring as hell. So after my hours of farming same events, being an escort everywhere, killing x of x coming at me... its just nothing new.
Guild Wars 2 was advertised to put an end to the common MMO, but this is nothing different beyond being more annoying. I still am sent to kill x of x and gather x of x like every other game, just in a more annoying manner.
Judging by your response I can tell you're a person who has been the victim of many better geared or higher level players owning you. Me... I enjoy it. It gives me something to strive for. Right now there is no differences, we're all the same. There is no incentive for me to want to play through any hardship to work to equal or better groups. I'm just... given that ground.
Sorry that I enjoyed outplaying someone with better gear or enjoyed having to progress and work for my gear.. not be given the same stuff as joesmoe who just is playing for the first time.
Looking at: The Repopulation
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Silly question to ask in another silly poll based on a silly premise
Yes, I see GW2 grow. The game is not feature complete yet and I'm not talking about just adding more areas and dynamic events. The teambased paid sPVP and observer mode has been announced already so I won't add these to the list of what I expect to see.
-Guild Halls/Housing
-Player Housing
-Some type of organised Guild vs Guild pvp with a ranking system.
-A lot more minigames ala kegbrawl in the main cities and other kinds of activities.
-More npc services ingame.
To me it seems they only delivered what was seen as ready and mainly avoided talking about other upcoming features. Or just hinted at (the above). I'm positive that the features above will be implemented, you can remind me if they are not.
If the game fleshes out in terms of features it will gain more staying power then with just adding new areas with DE's. Which will happen too, but the contentlocusts will devour that just as fast as now. You can't develop against that speed. But then again, it is not a big deal for me to play different games now and then and just come back after some time to GW2. After all, I did the same with GW1.
No - that type of game is not for me as GW2 is not for you.
That is the point of the game. YOU ARE ALL THE SAME so, HOW GOOD ARE YOU AT PLAYING YOUR BUILD? I guess you would rather have UBER equipment then beat another player, with the same equipment, on skill alone. Because in the game you like, gear grinding, you cannot say that with any certainty - you can say your equipment is what made the difference not how well you played.
I have played gear grind games, Rift and WoW, and I find them asbsolutely mind-numbing. Why? Running the same dungeons over and over and over to get, maybe 1 drop in 10 times? No Thank You.