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Do you feel lied to, by Bioware/EA over SWTOR in some manner?

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  • DraronDraron A town in, KYPosts: 993Member
    Originally posted by halflife25

    Why are you jumping on people who think they were not lied to? you really need to dial back a little bro. No need to harass people for giving their opinion.

    Reading this post renews my faith in these forums. Grats to you.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,455Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Ahnog
    No

    Or maybe, being a person who played bioware games before, he feels the game is what they said it would be.

    Oh sure, they messed up on the pvp planet but the game plays like a bioware game with traditional mmo trappings. Which, is what they said it would be.

    If you can point me toward a claim where they stated dynamic worlds or everyone gets to have their own captial ship then I would concede your point.

    Now, are you arguing that they lied or that they overestimated what their game design was going to do?

    Because your reaction suggests the former.

  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Vladamyre
    No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

    You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

    Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

    James Ohlen

    January 23, 2012

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

    The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

     

    The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

     

    By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

     

    Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

     

    GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

     

    SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

     

    We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

    EA - Aug 27, 2012:

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

    Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

     

    We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

     

    The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

     

    SWTOR won't go F2P.

    Greg Zeschuk

    Dec 28th 2011

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

    "The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

     

    Just some off the top of my head.

    As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLPosts: 4,074Member Common
    Nope. I got exactly what I was expecting and enjoyed every moment that I was in game back when I played it. Couldn't have been happier with that purchase :)

    Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Vladamyre
    No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

    You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

    Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

    James Ohlen

    January 23, 2012

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

    The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

     

    The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

     

    By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

     

    Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

     

    GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

     

    SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

     

    We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

    EA - Aug 27, 2012:

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

    Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

     

    We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

     

    The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

     

    SWTOR won't go F2P.

    Greg Zeschuk

    Dec 28th 2011

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

    "The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

     

    Just some off the top of my head.

    As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

    Then the game is just stinky now for no apparent reason.  Lets not look at the past.  Ignore all the statements from past EA/BioWAre employees, and lets just focus on the present.

     

    WE AS SW FANS CAN'T POSSIBLY FANTHAM WHY THIS GAME ISN'T DOING WELL? WTF??

    better?

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Vladamyre
    No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

    You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

    Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

    James Ohlen

    January 23, 2012

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

    The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

     

    The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

     

    By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

     

    Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

     

    GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

     

    SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

     

    We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

    EA - Aug 27, 2012:

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

    Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

     

    We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

     

    The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

     

    SWTOR won't go F2P.

    Greg Zeschuk

    Dec 28th 2011

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

    "The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

     

    Just some off the top of my head.

    As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

    Then the game is just stinky now for no apparent reason.  Lets not look at the past.  Ignore all the statements from past EA/BioWAre employees, and lets just focus on the present.

     

    WE AS SW FANS CAN'T POSSIBLE FANTHAM WHY THIS GAME ISN'T DOING WELL? WTF??

    better?

    Not really, because I have no idea why you don't like the game.  "Stinky" isn't a reason.  Look at the past all you want, it tells you how you got to the present, but that doesn't make anything you quoted a lie.  If Bioware made a bad design choice, I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and ruin our reputation?"  Again, you may believe they intentionally misled you, but I don't believe that.

  • miagisanmiagisan NY, NYPosts: 5,156Member
    nope. had  fun and was exactly what i expected when i played.

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  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHPosts: 2,628Member

    Lie?  No, maybe a disconnect on what worlds opening up and having an explorable, hybridish sandbox feel to them means.  One of the lead devs said something that, that is a paraphrase of...That and a lot of the beta people saying the worlds open up later, which by level 30ish you figure out isn't really gonna happen.

     

    I didn't have much hopes for the game to begin with, but knew people playing....All in all, I got my money worth....Played the free month, so got a month of play for $60 bucks or whatever...I can drop $60 in a day on something frivilous.

     

  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,924Member Uncommon
    No. They did just like many other companies do to expand upon hype and stretch the truth. Sure, you can say thats being lied to, but every single MMo out there has done just that then so pointing figures at SWTOR would be silly. 
  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Vladamyre
    No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

    You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

    Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

    James Ohlen

    January 23, 2012

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

    The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

     

    The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

     

    By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

     

    Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

     

    GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

     

    SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

     

    We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

    EA - Aug 27, 2012:

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

    Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

     

    We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

     

    The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

     

    SWTOR won't go F2P.

    Greg Zeschuk

    Dec 28th 2011

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

    "The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

     

    Just some off the top of my head.

    As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

    Then the game is just stinky now for no apparent reason.  Lets not look at the past.  Ignore all the statements from past EA/BioWAre employees, and lets just focus on the present.

     

    WE AS SW FANS CAN'T POSSIBLE FANTHAM WHY THIS GAME ISN'T DOING WELL? WTF??

    better?

    Not really, because I have no idea why you don't like the game.  "Stinky" isn't a reason.  Look at the past all you want, it tells you how you got to the present, but that doesn't make anything you quoted a lie.  If Bioware made a bad design choice, I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and ruin our reputation?"  Again, you may believe they intentionally misled you, but I don't believe that.

    Stinky is just a descriptor.  Well when stuff gets said, and it doesn't come to pass, I call it a lie.  Either the rules changes or it was ignored (in which you may call it legit, I call it still a lie).

     

    BioWare doesn't exist anymore (http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m-6180818).  Sold in 2007.  Reputation was out the door at that point; there was no reputation.  Just do your job for EA and get paid.

     

    EA & it's BioWare studio made plenty of lies, don't fool youtself.

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  • BeyornBeyorn Canton, GAPosts: 249Member Uncommon
    I feel a little lied to.  The one that really sticks in my mind is about how unheroic it was for a group of players to beat on one mob.  Well you can see how far that went ;(.  I wish I could find the video he said that in.  My search-fu is rusty.
  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member
    Originally posted by Xthos

    Lie?  No, maybe a disconnect on what worlds opening up and having an explorable, hybridish sandbox feel to them means.  One of the lead devs said something that, that is a paraphrase of...That and a lot of the beta people saying the worlds open up later, which by level 30ish you figure out isn't really gonna happen.

     

    I didn't have much hopes for the game to begin with, but knew people playing....All in all, I got my money worth....Played the free month, so got a month of play for $60 bucks or whatever...I can drop $60 in a day on something frivilous.

     

    I followed the game pretty closely from about a year out til launch, and I don't really remember them saying anything about a hybridish sandbox feel, or even implying that.  The only thing I would even think of is the exploring aspect with those cubes or whatever they were called, but they were there to find, so I don't think that was a lie.  But if they did say something about it even approaching a hybrid sandboxish feel, that would be a whopper of a lie, and I agree that anyone who said the game world "opened up" after 30 was stretching the truth to the point of breaking.  

  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Beyorn
    I feel a little lied to.  The one that really sticks in my mind is about how unheroic it was for a group of players to beat on one mob.  Well you can see how far that went ;(.  I wish I could find the video he said that in.  My search-fu is rusty.

    Something heroic to one person might be unheroic to other. It's a matter of perception anyway.

     

    Edit. but I read something about what you said. I will try to find it. But really if we consider these kind of things lies... hmmm everything is a lie then...

    Oh well Peace is a lie :)

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  • TokkenTokken Portland, ORPosts: 1,154Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Do you feel lied to, by Bioware/EA over SWTOR in some manner?

    if so, what you feel was a lie told by them regarding SWTOR?

    dude, get counseling or get over it.

    Brad McQuaid Quote:  So, God-willing, the Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen team and I will be able to make or allow that magic to happen a third time, and it too will be not just a great game, but also that catalyst again that brings people together, sometimes out of their comfort zone, learning how to work together not just tactically in a virtual world but also socially in the real world.
  • Vunak23Vunak23 In your house eatin'' your cookies, FLPosts: 635Member
    Yes. I was told there was going to be meaningful world pvp (the only reason I really bought it)... Yea that turned out to be false. 

    "In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  • BeyornBeyorn Canton, GAPosts: 249Member Uncommon

    Found It!

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

     

    Mr. Ohlen talks about it at about 1:18.  i was hoping at the time this would be something other than raids/groups fighting bosses but I realize now how naive I was ;(.

  • channel84channel84 CyberjayaPosts: 584Member Uncommon

    Having beta weekend and tons of info and video and gameplay info before release etc etc

    I've been able to make up my mind clearly not to buy it and if anyone is buying this game due to hype and without proper research then i don't think there's anyone to blame. Frankly i don't blame the PR/marketing for hyping this game up as it's their job and it's call advertising. But over the top fan boy of bioware that believe bioware could do no wrong is what strike me as disappointing. Luckily most mmo vet here know better ^^

  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Vladamyre
    No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

    You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

    Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

    James Ohlen

    January 23, 2012

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

    The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

     

    The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

     

    By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

     

    Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

     

    GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

     

    SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

     

    We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

    EA - Aug 27, 2012:

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

    Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

     

    We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

     

    The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

     

    SWTOR won't go F2P.

    Greg Zeschuk

    Dec 28th 2011

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

    "The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

     

    Just some off the top of my head.

    As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

    Then the game is just stinky now for no apparent reason.  Lets not look at the past.  Ignore all the statements from past EA/BioWAre employees, and lets just focus on the present.

     

    WE AS SW FANS CAN'T POSSIBLE FANTHAM WHY THIS GAME ISN'T DOING WELL? WTF??

    better?

    Not really, because I have no idea why you don't like the game.  "Stinky" isn't a reason.  Look at the past all you want, it tells you how you got to the present, but that doesn't make anything you quoted a lie.  If Bioware made a bad design choice, I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and ruin our reputation?"  Again, you may believe they intentionally misled you, but I don't believe that.

    Stinky is just a descriptor.  Well when stuff gets said, and it doesn't come to pass, I call it a lie.  Either the rules changes or it was ignored (in which you may call it legit, I call it still a lie).

     

    BioWare doesn't exist anymore (http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m-6180818).  Sold in 2007.  Reputation was out the door at that point; there was no reputation.  Just do your job for EA and get paid.

     

    EA & it's BioWare studio made plenty of lies, don't fool youtself.

    Without intent, there is no lie.  I don't really know what else to say.  As far as the reputation part that is a separate issue.  I could replace the line about reputation with: I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and make them not want to subscribe?"

     It doesn't really matter though as you believe they lied to you and I really have no vested interest in trying to change your mind on that.  So we have reached a point in the discussion where there really is no reason to continue.  We will both just keep saying the same things over and over again in new ways using different words.  So, I will bow out and do the stuff I have been avoiding through forum discussion procrastination.

  • ArakaneArakane Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 200Member Uncommon

     

     

     Hmmn, not  really "lied to", I just couldn't get past the fact of being unable to really explore,and the environments really werent  interactive enough for me. I loved it at first and it does have some features I really liked, though not the graphics,lol,so I had to move on.

  • SoulStainSoulStain Tampa, FLPosts: 202Member
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by niceguy3978
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Vladamyre
    No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

    You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

    Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

    James Ohlen

    January 23, 2012

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

    The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

     

    The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

     

    By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

     

    Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

     

    GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

     

    SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

     

    We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

    EA - Aug 27, 2012:

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

    Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

     

    We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

     

    The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

     

    SWTOR won't go F2P.

    Greg Zeschuk

    Dec 28th 2011

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

    "The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

     

    Just some off the top of my head.

    As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

    Then the game is just stinky now for no apparent reason.  Lets not look at the past.  Ignore all the statements from past EA/BioWAre employees, and lets just focus on the present.

     

    WE AS SW FANS CAN'T POSSIBLE FANTHAM WHY THIS GAME ISN'T DOING WELL? WTF??

    better?

    Not really, because I have no idea why you don't like the game.  "Stinky" isn't a reason.  Look at the past all you want, it tells you how you got to the present, but that doesn't make anything you quoted a lie.  If Bioware made a bad design choice, I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and ruin our reputation?"  Again, you may believe they intentionally misled you, but I don't believe that.

    Stinky is just a descriptor.  Well when stuff gets said, and it doesn't come to pass, I call it a lie.  Either the rules changes or it was ignored (in which you may call it legit, I call it still a lie).

     

    BioWare doesn't exist anymore (http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m-6180818).  Sold in 2007.  Reputation was out the door at that point; there was no reputation.  Just do your job for EA and get paid.

     

    EA & it's BioWare studio made plenty of lies, don't fool youtself.

    Without intent, there is no lie.  I don't really know what else to say.  As far as the reputation part that is a separate issue.  I could replace the line about reputation with: I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and make them not want to subscribe?"

     It doesn't really matter though as you believe they lied to you and I really have no vested interest in trying to change your mind on that.  So we have reached a point in the discussion where there really is no reason to continue.  We will both just keep saying the same things over and over again in new ways using different words.  So, I will bow out and do the stuff I have been avoiding through forum discussion procrastination.

    Agreed..was  going to post a similar response but yours is just a good.

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by Beyorn

    Found It!

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

     

    Mr. Ohlen talks about it at about 1:18.  i was hoping at the time this would be something other than raids/groups fighting bosses but I realize now how naive I was ;(.

    Thats' the quote right there,

     

    "One of the problem of other MMO combats is umm you also have scenarios where you have multiple heroes beating on a single enemy.  And that just isn't very heroic."

     

    Lovely, is this content raid patch 1.6 then?  Face it, by Ohlen's own definition all raid content to date wasn't very heroic.

     

    The SWTOR leader (who hasn't been fired or asked to leave) has spoken!

     

     

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member
    Originally posted by Beyorn
    I feel a little lied to.  The one that really sticks in my mind is about how unheroic it was for a group of players to beat on one mob.  Well you can see how far that went ;(.  I wish I could find the video he said that in.  My search-fu is rusty.

    Watched the video and he says about 10 seconds later that "what is heroic is a hero facing unbeatable odds against multiple enemies."  So they replaced pulling one mob with you fighting the infamous "pack of three."  Which didn't feel very heroic either, but that is my opinion so I can't say he lied to me as I know others feel differently.  

    Okay, I really gotta get out of here and go grade some papers.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,995Member Uncommon

    Nope, pretty much everything they said prior to launch indicated this would be a theme park MMO with a heavy emphasis on prescripted storyline plot.

    Delivered exactly what they said they would, WOW in Space. image

    I was surprised about the lack of a decent space game, but then again, that's not really what Bioware's known for so perhaps I shouldn't have been.

     

    In my day MMORPG's were so hard we fought our way through dungeons in the snow, uphill both ways.
    "I don't have one life, I have many lives" - Grunty
    Still currently "subscribed" to EVE, and only EVE!!!
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  • MMOman101MMOman101 Posts: 1,274Member Uncommon

    If anyone feels lied to it is because they did not pay attention.

     

    The space combat was exactly what they said.

     

    The story line and linear game play was exactly what they said.

     

    They told us exactly what it would be.  Some people were just to decadent to listen and have no one to blame but themselves. 

  • DraronDraron A town in, KYPosts: 993Member
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Beyorn

    Found It!

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

     

    Mr. Ohlen talks about it at about 1:18.  i was hoping at the time this would be something other than raids/groups fighting bosses but I realize now how naive I was ;(.

    Thats' the quote right there,

     

    "One of the problem of other MMO combats is umm you also have scenarios where you have multiple heroes beating on a single enemy.  And that just isn't very heroic."

     

    Lovely, is this content raid patch 1.6 then?  Face it, by Ohlen's own definition all raid content to date wasn't very heroic.

     

    The SWTOR leader (who hasn't been fired or asked to leave) has spoken!

    Did you listen to the next few seconds? Don't wanna get caught with egg on your face.

    "What is heroic is a hero facing unbeatable odds against multiple enemies."

    They made most trash mob encounters against multiple enemies. 

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