Do you feel lied to, by Bioware/EA over SWTOR in some manner?

MMOExposed · October 2012

Do you feel lied to, by Bioware/EA over SWTOR in some manner?

if so, what you feel was a lie told by them regarding SWTOR?

Sevenstar61 · October 2012

Not feeling at all that bioware lied to me LOL. The game for me is exactly what I expected. I played BioWare games before and I knew what to expect. I also did not sign up to the hype.

I did not play SWG I tried once when I had Station Sony subscription, but even though I was SW fan it did not impress me. But then I was busy in raiding EQ2 guild, so had no time for SWG.

TheLizardbones · October 2012

Er...no. Mostly because I read about the game and watched a couple of videos before I bought it.

Betaguy · October 2012

I don't feel lied too as much as I feel for Bioware. I believe Bioware was sincere and honest, but I feel EA pushed them in the direction it went. They destroyed a great gaming company...

SuperDonk · October 2012

Maybe a little. If anything EA was lying to themselves thinking SWTOR would be a game to rival WoW.

Xerith · October 2012

It was pretty clear what type of game SWTOR was going to be long before it was ever released.

Vladamyre · October 2012

No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

poefue · October 2012

Only this makes me sad about EA/Bioware <<

aslan132 · October 2012

Anyone that thought Bioware was making something other than a KOTOR game was lying to themselves. It was exactly the game i thought it would be. KOTOR 3 with a multiplayer (co-op) option. Thats all it was ever going to be, and anyone who read about the game and watch some videos or played beta would have known that. Bioware/EA never lied, they took a risk, and it just didnt work out. It happens, especially in the MMO industry

Sevenstar61 · October 2012

Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Brialyn · October 2012

I don't feel like they lied, I think they delivered exactly what they said they were going to. The parts of SWTOR that I loved were the cinematic dialogs and companion characters, but this is what Bioware is known for.

Unfortunately the rest of it was kinda meh (especially at 15 bucks a month) and didn't hold my interest. Going to F2P will bring me back and if I think the material they are putting out might be worth the money I'll buy it.

Lawlmonster · October 2012

Nope, not really. I knew what I was getting into before I purchased TOR, but that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed with Bioware or EA for releasing such a product. I would have much rather they continued the KOTOR series in a single player format than take the approach used for The Old Republic, regardless of my desire for another Star Wars massively.

Karteli · October 2012

Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Content updates? OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates. What about free updates? "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen

January 23, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways). MMORPG's nowadays just stink

Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2. Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch. If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds! "We value PVP in our game". Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into". Really?

SGRA? Super Secret Space Project?

We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

EA - Aug 27, 2012:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

@1:18

"One of the problem of other MMO combats is umm you also have scenarios where you have multiple heroes beating on a single enemy. And that just isn't very heroic."

The Collectors Edition. WOW what a betrayal. Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

SWTOR won't go F2P.

Greg Zeschuk

Dec 28th 2011

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

"The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

Just some off the top of my head.

Beanpuie · October 2012

nope

after going through the warzone known at funcom over the years, giving SWTOR a chance , also including keeping my standards to a medium and not be swept away the overly retarded high standard wet dream hype train also known as the "Teh wall of crazzee!!!" - i felt very little disappointment when i got my money's worth from the game and moved on to another game; drama free and all.

well except watching bioware slowly become a husk while their employees drop like flies left and right. that at least is disappointing.

Sevenstar61 · October 2012

Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Content updates? OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates. What about free updates? "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen

January 23, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways). MMORPG's nowadays just stink

Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2. Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch. If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds! "We value PVP in our game". Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into". Really?

SGRA? Super Secret Space Project?

We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

EA - Aug 27, 2012:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

The Collectors Edition. WOW what a betrayal. Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

SWTOR won't go F2P.

Greg Zeschuk

Dec 28th 2011

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

"The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

Just some off the top of my head.

The hate is very strong in this one!!!!

Karteli · October 2012

Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Content updates? OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates. What about free updates? "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen

January 23, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways). MMORPG's nowadays just stink

Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2. Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch. If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds! "We value PVP in our game". Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into". Really?

SGRA? Super Secret Space Project?

We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

EA - Aug 27, 2012:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

The Collectors Edition. WOW what a betrayal. Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

SWTOR won't go F2P.

Greg Zeschuk

Dec 28th 2011

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

"The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

Just some off the top of my head.

The hate is very strong in this one!!!!

Don't hate on me :-)

Anyways, the truth hurts sometimes. If you hate the messenger, that doesn't say much for the one who caused the message to be sent in the first place :P

If the game was perfect, you wouldn't have people giving direct quotes to lies, for instance.

FrodoFragins · October 2012

A lie to me means premeditated. SWTOR has had to abandon their plans due to poor subscription numbers. I don't consider that a lie. I think they planned on pushing out regular updates and free content if they weren't force to lay off so many people.

Sevenstar61 · October 2012

Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Content updates? OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates. What about free updates? "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen

January 23, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways). MMORPG's nowadays just stink

Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2. Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch. If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds! "We value PVP in our game". Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into". Really?

SGRA? Super Secret Space Project?

We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

EA - Aug 27, 2012:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

The Collectors Edition. WOW what a betrayal. Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

SWTOR won't go F2P.

Greg Zeschuk

Dec 28th 2011

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

"The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

Just some off the top of my head.

The hate is very strong in this one!!!!

Don't hate on me :-)

Anyways, the truth hurts sometimes. If you hate the messenger, that doesn't say much for the one who caused the message to be sent in the first place :P

If the game was perfect, you wouldn't have people giving direct quotes to lies, for instance.

What you state here are not absolute truth. It's what you want to see and what you want to interpret as truth.

You deal in absolutes. You Sir are a perfect Sith material, as only Sith deals in absolutes.

Sovrath · October 2012

Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Not feeling at all that bioware lied to me LOL. The game for me is exactly what I expected. I played BioWare games before and I knew what to expect. I also did not sign up to the hype.

This is the boat i'm in. It's "exactly what I expected it to be."

I'll give one caveat, I thought the planets would be more than just quest hubs. other than that everything plays exactly like I believe they said it would.

Rydeson · October 2012

I wouldn't say lied to exactly.. but I do feel Bioware help the hype machine knowing the game was not going to meet expectations, but the greed for money was too much to ignore.. SWTOR in my opinion is not a true MMORPG, it's nothing more then KoTOR with co-op play.. It feels so much like a single game play that I couldn't force myself in playing an alt..

Ahnog · October 2012

Draron · October 2012

Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
The hate is very strong in this one!!!!

Don't hate on me :-)

Sevenstar61 isn't the one hating. Just sayin'.

Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Ahnog
No

Seems there's one person hating in this thread. I don't usually call someone out, but when they answer a topic and you use an overly sarcastic remark putting words in there mouth, I just have to.

On topic: No.

halflife25 · October 2012

Nope i dpn't feel i was lied to. BW was very open about SWTOR. I did my research and enjoyed my one month of play time. I will go back again once i can afford to spend more time gaming.

Ahnog · October 2012

You put words in my mouth. No was a simple answer to the question asked. I am unaware of any lie from BW or EA. That's all "no" meant.

Karteli · October 2012

Originally posted by Ahnog
You put words in my mouth. No was a simple answer to the question asked. I am unaware of any lie from BW or EA. That's all "no" meant.

Did you read my post in this thread, or would you like to continue to bury your head in the sand? You are "unaware", because you don't read anything. I guess you argue that SWTOR was never meant to compete with WoW too. You might be still saying that SWTOR still has 999,999 subs because this is less than 1 mil, but more than 500k.

Who are you supporting here .. EA, or a better SW game?

lol putting words in your moth .. MmmmHmmm....

halflife25 · October 2012

Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Ahnog
You put words in my mouth. No was a simple answer to the question asked. I am unaware of any lie from BW or EA. That's all "no" meant.

Did you read my post in this thread, or would you like to continue to bury your head in the sand? You are "unaware", because you don't read anything. I guess you argue that SWTOR was never meant to compete with WoW too. You might be still saying that SWTOR still has 999,999 subs because this is less than 1 mil, but more than 500k.

Who are you supporting here .. EA, or a better SW game?

lol putting words in your moth .. MmmmHmmm....

Why are you jumping on people who think they were not lied to? you really need to dial back a little bro. No need to harass people for giving their opinion.

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