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List of Sandbox MMORPGs [Updated: December 18, 2012]

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  • WolfenprideWolfenpride San''doria, WIPosts: 3,988Member
    Originally posted by lordfirefox

    LOVE is most definately a sandbox MMORPG. http://www.quelsolaar.com/

     

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  • LarsaLarsa NurembergPosts: 990Member


    Originally posted by lordfirefox

    LOVE is most definately a sandbox MMORPG. http://www.quelsolaar.com/


    I had a look at their website - and while it might be a sandbox and might qualify as MMO I can't see how it is a RPG. There seems to be zero character development and progression.

    The developer calls it a cooperative online first person adventure game.


    Originally posted by lordfirefox

    ... As for it not being an RPG is also bollocks because it has a lot of RPG elements. You CAN improve your character through enchanted armor, tools and weapons And there is a working potion system. It also has NPC's you can buy stff from as well as combat with monsters and other players depending how the server is set up. ...


     

    Sorry, Firefox, but by that definition of yours every shooter game I've seen would be an RPG: he, you can equip weapons and armour, kill monsters and buy stuff from an NPC, it's an RPG :)

    While Minecraft in its vanilla version certainly qualifies as sandbox there are also no RPG elements like character development in the vanilla version. And no, going through the 6862 Minecraft servers listed at Minecraft servers to decide which one offers a sandbox MMORPG experience is completely impossible.

    Most Minecraft servers are so heavily modded these days that one could call Minecraft a game development engine. Yes, there might be some servers that have modded in character development and other RPG elements, but there are also servers that have completely removed the sandbox building aspect of the vanilla game and instead run a continuous battle arena. Other servers even offer quests and character classes like every other themepark game.

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  • LarsaLarsa NurembergPosts: 990Member

    Forgot to say that Vendetta Online is out too. I played the game a bit and couldn't find enough sandbox RPG elements. It's certainly not a linear themepark that directs you from quest hub/zone to quest hub/zone and it offers open-ended gameplay.

    In a way it's a nifty game for people wanting space flight and space combat with some trading along the way - and players can even provide player-made content for developer approval, but that doesn't make it a sandbox. There's little in the way of character development, crafting is limited to a few items and the game is generally rather combat-heavy. I think of it as an online version of an old game, Elite II from 1993.

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,672Member Uncommon
    Larsa, thanks again for regularly maintaining this list. There's probably a good number of people that found some great new virtual worlds to explore as a result of this thread.

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Boca Raton, FLPosts: 867Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Larsa

    Forgot to say that Vendetta Online is out too. I played the game a bit and couldn't find enough sandbox RPG elements. It's certainly not a linear themepark that directs you from quest hub/zone to quest hub/zone and it offers open-ended gameplay.

    In a way it's a nifty game for people wanting space flight and space combat with some trading along the way - and players can even provide player-made content for developer approval, but that doesn't make it a sandbox. There's little in the way of character development, crafting is limited to a few items and the game is generally rather combat-heavy. I think of it as an online version of an old game, Elite II from 1993.

    Well, thanks for at least considering it.  I think it's cool that you've taken it upon yourself to maintain this list, and I certainly appreciate you taking the time to check out my game of choice.  "Sandbox" can be a pretty nebulous term, I guess, and if VO had to fall into one category or the other I'd say it's about here:

    S |---o------| T

    The single biggest sandbox element in VO, for me, is of course the Player Contribution Corps.  Otherwise I agree it doesn't fit easily into other MMORPG schemas.  The twitch combat is one of its most prominent features.

    If all goes well I will be getting a large project published in a couple months through the PCC which has been in the works for years, literally, so stay tuned :-) (P.S.-edit I already have 70 missions in production, spanning three 'webs'; part of my soul is in that game)

    Cheers,

    "To be what you are not, experience what you are not." -Saint John of the Cross
    Authored 110 missions in Vendetta Online
    Check it out on Steam

  • WolfenprideWolfenpride San''doria, WIPosts: 3,988Member
    Originally posted by Larsa

     


    Originally posted by lordfirefox

     

    LOVE is most definately a sandbox MMORPG. http://www.quelsolaar.com/


     

    I had a look at their website - and while it might be a sandbox and might qualify as MMO I can't see how it is a RPG. There seems to be zero character development and progression.

    The developer calls it a cooperative online first person adventure game.

    You work with other players to put together a settlement, and as you find new tools and build new tokens, you gain access to new weapons and tech that players can use. There is progression, it just isn't in the form of the traditional leveling system.

    But hey, it's your thread, do what you want with it.

  • Calhoun619Calhoun619 Lynnwood, WAPosts: 126Member

    Someone mentioned Asheron's Call on page 1.

    Please explain how its not on this list. Its one of the first if not the first sandbox MMORPG.

  • LarsaLarsa NurembergPosts: 990Member
    Originally posted by Calhoun619

    Someone mentioned Asheron's Call on page 1.

    Please explain how its not on this list. Its one of the first if not the first sandbox MMORPG.

    Asheron's Call is not on the list because the game doesn't meet the requirements as stated in the original post.

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  • mmoguy43mmoguy43 , CAPosts: 2,446Member Uncommon

    How about adding Neocron? They are still running and in fact added a new server called Titan (EU). Trials are back up and working again.

    Is it a sandbox?

    Necron has from your list...

    • An open world, not a collection of small maps (The maps are joined together but by way of brief loading zones, the huge wasteland area is divide into many square zones similar to Vanguard. "Dungeons" aren't as..seamless though.)
    • A non-instanced game world, no private instances for story mode or private dungeons (zones are okay if technically needed) (No instances at all. Anywhere you go, others can too.)
    • Gameplay features other than combat activities, for example: fishing, harvesting, prospecting, crafting, diplomacy, music, trading (Hacking minigame, trading, player races, social subskills like implanting, repairing, recycling, research. and construct)
    • Character progression or development outside of combat (see above examples)
    • Open-ended gameplay, no "game starts at level 50" game design
    • Player-driven in-game economy, not a loot-driven economy, no bind-on-equip or bind-on acquire items (Crafted items are the primary means of having good weapons. Only a handful of items are Boss drops. Without seeking other players for crafting or other needs you don't get very far.)
    • Character development that can be customised via skills and/or customisations of class roles, not a class system where every level 50 warrior has the exact same skills and attributes (You select a class to play but it only determines what things you can excel the most at. Even from the very begining your choice of what you put your skill points into defines what you can do. Each class has 2-4 combat options and can choose from 6 non-combat skills)
    • Non-linear character development where characters are not limited to developer-defined roles, for example: free skill trees or multi-classing of characters (You spend skill points you get from leveling. All choices are up to the player, even if some are not very good ones, fortunately it isn't permanent.)
    • Persistent game world. A game where the world (or parts of the world) reset to a known state in regular intervals is not persistent (Mobs respawn. The Outpost your clan captured stays under your ownership until someone else takes it.)
    • Player's ability to change aspects of the game world, either by being able to modify the physical game world or by being able to take ownership of structures in the game world (Can capture Outposts, place expensive destroyable turrets for defense, and alter the permissions of the GR (warp station) thus altering access to hunting areas or zonewide buffs.)
    • Some form of customizable player housing/building (Everyone starts with an apt that can be decorated as well as buy any number of additional apts. They can be furnished with many different objects including cabinets for storage, bank station, neoterminal, etc... Also can own drivable/ flyable vehicles, some of which have weapons.Vehicles can be constructed but the stats are always the same.)

     

    Neocron

    First release: September 9 2002

    Link to Website: http://ng.neocron.com/

    Payment Model: Free to play(old accounts), free client

    Cash Shop: No

    Setting: Sci-Fi, Cyberpunk

    Game environment: 3D

    Client OS: Windows (future expansion to web browser)

     

     

     
  • WolfenprideWolfenpride San''doria, WIPosts: 3,988Member
    Originally posted by mmoguy43

    How about adding Neocron? They are still running and in fact added a new server called Titan (EU). Trials are back up and working again.

     

     

    A new server? When did this happen? image

    I may have to go dig up whatever my account was for this game.

  • GhostshadowsGhostshadows PyongyangPosts: 70Member
    Somebody update this list!!!! 

    People take the internet too serious...go out get some sun and cool off

  • LarsaLarsa NurembergPosts: 990Member
    Originally posted by mmoguy43

    How about adding Neocron? They are still running and in fact added a new server called Titan (EU). Trials are back up and working again.

    Is it a sandbox?

    Necron has from your list...

    • An open world, not a collection of small maps (The maps are joined together but by way of brief loading zones, the huge wasteland area is divide into many square zones similar to Vanguard. "Dungeons" aren't as..seamless though.)
    • A non-instanced game world, no private instances for story mode or private dungeons (zones are okay if technically needed) (No instances at all. Anywhere you go, others can too.)
    • Gameplay features other than combat activities, for example: fishing, harvesting, prospecting, crafting, diplomacy, music, trading (Hacking minigame, trading, player races, social subskills like implanting, repairing, recycling, research. and construct)
    • Character progression or development outside of combat (see above examples)
    • Open-ended gameplay, no "game starts at level 50" game design
    • Player-driven in-game economy, not a loot-driven economy, no bind-on-equip or bind-on acquire items (Crafted items are the primary means of having good weapons. Only a handful of items are Boss drops. Without seeking other players for crafting or other needs you don't get very far.)
    • Character development that can be customised via skills and/or customisations of class roles, not a class system where every level 50 warrior has the exact same skills and attributes (You select a class to play but it only determines what things you can excel the most at. Even from the very begining your choice of what you put your skill points into defines what you can do. Each class has 2-4 combat options and can choose from 6 non-combat skills)
    • Non-linear character development where characters are not limited to developer-defined roles, for example: free skill trees or multi-classing of characters (You spend skill points you get from leveling. All choices are up to the player, even if some are not very good ones, fortunately it isn't permanent.)
    • Persistent game world. A game where the world (or parts of the world) reset to a known state in regular intervals is not persistent (Mobs respawn. The Outpost your clan captured stays under your ownership until someone else takes it.)
    • Player's ability to change aspects of the game world, either by being able to modify the physical game world or by being able to take ownership of structures in the game world (Can capture Outposts, place expensive destroyable turrets for defense, and alter the permissions of the GR (warp station) thus altering access to hunting areas or zonewide buffs.)
    • Some form of customizable player housing/building (Everyone starts with an apt that can be decorated as well as buy any number of additional apts. They can be furnished with many different objects including cabinets for storage, bank station, neoterminal, etc... Also can own drivable/ flyable vehicles, some of which have weapons.Vehicles can be constructed but the stats are always the same.)

     

    Neocron

    First release: September 9 2002

    Link to Website: http://ng.neocron.com/

    Payment Model: Free to play(old accounts), free client

    Cash Shop: No

    Setting: Sci-Fi, Cyberpunk

    Game environment: 3D

    Client OS: Windows (future expansion to web browser)

     

    Thanks for the suggestion, mmoguy, very interesting, much appreciated. 

    I'm glad Neocron is back, and it looks like we have two real free-to-play games now: Neocron and Haven & Hearth. Both games have no sub, no cash-shop and no client fee. Can't get "free-er" than that.

    I have a look into the game, I think it comes close but I'll wait for opinions from other people and will have a good look at the game and its features myself.

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  • lordfirefoxlordfirefox Columbus, KSPosts: 3Member
    Originally posted by Wolfenpride
    Originally posted by Larsa

     


    Originally posted by lordfirefox

     

    LOVE is most definately a sandbox MMORPG. http://www.quelsolaar.com/


     

    I had a look at their website - and while it might be a sandbox and might qualify as MMO I can't see how it is a RPG. There seems to be zero character development and progression.

    The developer calls it a cooperative online first person adventure game.

    You work with other players to put together a settlement, and as you find new tools and build new tokens, you gain access to new weapons and tech that players can use. There is progression, it just isn't in the form of the traditional leveling system.

    But hey, it's your thread, do what you want with it.

    It's the same with Minecraft. You aquire better tools as you progress.  Progression and character development don't always need to have "stats" attached to them. Stats are for min-max'ers not "role players".

  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Posts: 1,538Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by Larsa
    • A non-instanced game world (zones can be fine)
    I believe you meant "Seamless"

    Zones and Instances are not necessarily the same thing.

    Instances require zones. Zones do not have to be instances.

    The two terms get mixed up a lot.

    Although, now with phasing technology, the line is blurred a bit as a common/shared zone can contain instanced areas within it. Pretty trippy stuff.

  • TamanousTamanous Edmonton, ABPosts: 2,126Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Larsa
    Originally posted by Calhoun619

    Someone mentioned Asheron's Call on page 1.

    Please explain how its not on this list. Its one of the first if not the first sandbox MMORPG.

    Asheron's Call is not on the list because the game doesn't meet the requirements as stated in the original post.

    It actually meets most of the points listed (nearly all but 1 or 2 points so starting out that a sandbox game is hard to define then defining it to a point seems rather silly). AC should be at least a honorary mention because of it's heavy influence on the genre. What limited it as a pure sandbox was the tech is was developed on. It's greatest failing wasn't the game itself as most who played it could at least respect what sort of game was attempted. It's greatest failing was Turbine making a sequel that was  an EQ clone. The IP should have been kept alive and moved toward true sandbox elements.

     

    I'll say it over and over again until someone at Turbine clues in: Asheron's Call should be re-launched with new tech and more solid sandbox elements. 12+ years of lore and a fanbase should not be thrown away.

     

     

    You stay sassy!

  • LarsaLarsa NurembergPosts: 990Member
    Originally posted by TangentPoint
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Originally posted by Larsa
    • A non-instanced game world (zones can be fine)
    I believe you meant "Seamless"

    Zones and Instances are not necessarily the same thing.

    Instances require zones. Zones do not have to be instances.

    The two terms get mixed up a lot.

    Although, now with phasing technology, the line is blurred a bit as a common/shared zone can contain instanced areas within it. Pretty trippy stuff.

    Maybe I should clarify this in the original post.

    What I mean is rather easy: In a sandbox MMORPG, when one player does anything that changes the game world, the game world for all players has changed.

    This is not the case when the game uses instancing or phasing: in those games, when one player changes the world he only does so in his private instance or phase, the world is still unchanged for all the other players.

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  • LarsaLarsa NurembergPosts: 990Member

    Time for an update.

    • Asheron's Call has been suggested a few times now. It's an old-school MMORPG from the pre-WoW era. As such it's different from the linear themeparks of the last years. However, being different doesn't make it a sandbox. The game is quest-driven, it's combat-centric, loot-driven and has little in the way of players being able to change the world. Most items are accumulated through drops (though crafters can modify those to an extent if I understand right). Feel free to correct me (I didn't play it), but I can't see how it can make a list of sandbox MMORPGs.
    • I didn't have a chance yet to look more into Neocron. It might be that what I said about Asheron's Call is valid for Neocron too. I'll have a look at it, can't promise when.

    Updated the original post. Glitch is on the list now.

    • Glitch has - seemingly stealthy, without any great fanfare - gone to open beta (or even to release?). No developer post, no press release, no marketing noise, but it has gone open to the public. One can make an account and play the game. And since it's playable by the general public it qualifies for the list. I was in-game for a few hours, It's quite a unique experience. 
     

     

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,672Member Uncommon

    Thanks for the heads up on Glitch! Going to check that out this weekend.

     

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member

    Asheron's Call 
    • An open world, not a collection of small maps. Check
    • A non-instanced game world, no private instances for story mode or private dungeons (zones are okay if technically needed). Check
    • Gameplay features other than combat activities, for example: fishing, harvesting, prospecting, crafting, diplomacy, music, trading. Check (crafting, allegiance system)
    • Character progression or development outside of combat (see above examples). Check (crafting, allegiance system)
    • Open-ended gameplay, no "game starts at level 50" game design Check
    • Player-driven in-game economy, not a loot-driven economy, no bind-on-equip or bind-on acquire items. Partly Check (the system is partly based on loot and partly based on craftable items needed to create a particular item, however it is not entirely player driven)
    • Character development that can be customised via skills and/or customisations of class roles, not a class system where every level 50 warrior has the exact same skills and attributes Check
    • Non-linear character development where characters are not limited to developer-defined roles, for example: free skill trees or multi-classing of characters Check
    • In-depth crafting system. A crafting system is considered in-depth if the majority of items in the game is player-made and when crafted items can be at least as good as dropped items Partly Check (again the items are made from craftable components but you often needed a quest to get the final item)
    • In-depth resource system. A resource system is considered in-depth if items can be made from raw resources that influence the resulting item (either it's stats or it's appearance is okay) Check
    • Persistent game world. A game where the world (or parts of the world) reset to a known state in regular intervals is not persistent. Check
    • Player's ability to change aspects of the game world, either by being able to modify the physical game world or by being able to take ownership of structures in the game world. Check
    • Some form of customizable player housing/building Check

     

    So Asheron's call should definetely be on this list. It was one of the best sandbox MMO's of that time.

  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member
    Originally posted by Larsa

    Time for an update.

    • Asheron's Call has been suggested a few times now. It's an old-school MMORPG from the pre-WoW era. As such it's different from the linear themeparks of the last years. However, being different doesn't make it a sandbox. The game is quest-driven, it's combat-centric, loot-driven and has little in the way of players being able to change the world. Most items are accumulated through drops (though crafters can modify those to an extent if I understand right). Feel free to correct me (I didn't play it), but I can't see how it can make a list of sandbox MMORPGs.
     

     

    See my post above. The game is not quest driven, you cannot get much exp from quests and only some items and services are received from quests.

    It is partly loot driven but there is also craftable components which can be put together to produce powerful items. So it is definetely not what I would call loot driven, specially not on the PvP server where you can drop those which you got from loot where as some craftable items are not droppable.

    Combat centric? Well, aren't most MMO's combat centric? I don't see how it is any more combat centric on most of the games on your list. Beside, what has that got to do with sandbox?

    Players can create houses, mansions and castles which can be put in the world which is completely non instanced and massive. The game play is non-linear and anyone can go anywhere and with proper buffs a low skilled character can kill a much higher skilled character.

  • LarsaLarsa NurembergPosts: 990Member
    Originally posted by Yamota
    ...

    See my post above. The game is not quest driven, you cannot get much exp from quests and only some items and services are received from quests.

    It is partly loot driven but there is also craftable components which can be put together to produce powerful items. So it is definetely not what I would call loot driven, specially not on the PvP server where you can drop those which you got from loot where as some craftable items are not droppable.

    Combat centric? Well, aren't most MMO's combat centric? I don't see how it is any more combat centric on most of the games on your list. Beside, what has that got to do with sandbox?

    Players can create houses, mansions and castles which can be put in the world which is completely non instanced and massive. The game play is non-linear and anyone can go anywhere and with proper buffs a low skilled character can kill a much higher skilled character.

    Please, Yamota.

    Quests? Here is the list of quests in Asheron's Call, all quests I checked reward the player with items: http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Quests. It's a long, long list.

    Loot driven? Completely so. All things enter the game world through either loot drops or quest rewards. All resources used for crafting come from either quest rewards or loot drops that are salvaged by players. There is no such thing as mining, harvesting, fishing, farming, woodcutting in Asheron's Call. Fine, you don't call that loot driven, thus we disagree on that.

    Just as an example, here is the list of Upper Body armour: http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Upper_Body_Armor. Most of it are quest rewards and items purchased from NPCs. Few are crafted and the ones that are crafted need loot drops as material. I reckon that won't be different for other item categories.

    Concerning player housing, according to http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Housing players don't create houses, they buy houses for in-game curreny, writs and trophies. Writs and trophies are quest rewards and loot-drops respectively.

    From what I can see Asheron's call is about as sandbox as LotRO or GW2, thus not at all. It's an old-school themepark. And how exactly change players the game world in Asheron's Call? I couldn't find anything about that on the Asheron's Call wiki here: http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Home

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  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member
    Originally posted by Larsa
    Originally posted by Yamota
    ...

    See my post above. The game is not quest driven, you cannot get much exp from quests and only some items and services are received from quests.

    It is partly loot driven but there is also craftable components which can be put together to produce powerful items. So it is definetely not what I would call loot driven, specially not on the PvP server where you can drop those which you got from loot where as some craftable items are not droppable.

    Combat centric? Well, aren't most MMO's combat centric? I don't see how it is any more combat centric on most of the games on your list. Beside, what has that got to do with sandbox?

    Players can create houses, mansions and castles which can be put in the world which is completely non instanced and massive. The game play is non-linear and anyone can go anywhere and with proper buffs a low skilled character can kill a much higher skilled character.

    Please, Yamota.

    Quests? Here is the list of quests in Asheron's Call, all quests I checked reward the player with items: http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Quests. It's a long, long list.

    Loot driven? Completely so. All things enter the game world through either loot drops or quest rewards. All resources used for crafting come from either quest rewards or loot drops that are salvaged by players. There is no such thing as mining, harvesting, fishing, farming, woodcutting in Asheron's Call. Fine, you don't call that loot driven, thus we disagree on that.

    Just as an example, here is the list of Upper Body armour: http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Upper_Body_Armor. Most of it are quest rewards and items purchased from NPCs. Few are crafted and the ones that are crafted need loot drops as material. I reckon that won't be different for other item categories.

    Concerning player housing, according to http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Housing players don't create houses, they buy houses for in-game curreny, writs and trophies. Writs and trophies are quest rewards and loot-drops respectively.

    From what I can see Asheron's call is about as sandbox as LotRO or GW2, thus not at all. It's an old-school themepark. And how exactly change players the game world in Asheron's Call? I couldn't find anything about that on the Asheron's Call wiki here: http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Home

    You have no idea what you are talking about, and considering you havent even played the game that is not surprising, but fine it is your list. But I played Asheron's Call for 3-4 years and it is the best sandbox experience I have ever had.

    It is completely not linear, contrary to GW 2 and other which you try to equate AC too, it is purely skill based and the level number is just a measurement of the amount of exp you have. A low exp player can go to anywhere in the world and if he got the skills for it, he can thrive.

    Just because you can't harvest and craft the way you see it does not make it a ThemePark, you have no clue what you are talking about. Also quests, who the hell says quests goes against sandbox concepts, that is your construct. And you get very little exp from the quests so just because there are lots of them does not mean they drive your progression, they do not.

    That you even have the gall to classify it as a "ThemePark" when the therm was not even invented and based on reading on some wiki sites just shows your ignorance. Asheron's Call has given me the most non-linear and open ended game play of any MMO to date beside UO, and I have played a lot of them. So you dont have the qualifications to label this as not sandbox as your definition of it seems to be narrow and deluded. Non quest based, non combat based is NOT what defines a sandbox, they have nothing to do with it, like this thread.

  • sirphobossirphobos Ames, IAPosts: 614Member Common

    I think of Everquest and Asheron's Call as "old school themeparks" in that they are less linear and give the player a lot more freedom than their modern counterparts like WoW, SWTOR, etc, but they are still themeparks if you ask me.

    Of course, these are just words that gamers have made up and have no official dictionary definition (at least how we're using them).

  • TalemireTalemire Clearwater, FLPosts: 756Member
    Nice post, ty.

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  • Pale_FirePale_Fire San Antonio, TXPosts: 360Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by Larsa
    Originally posted by Yamota
    ...

    See my post above. The game is not quest driven, you cannot get much exp from quests and only some items and services are received from quests.

    It is partly loot driven but there is also craftable components which can be put together to produce powerful items. So it is definetely not what I would call loot driven, specially not on the PvP server where you can drop those which you got from loot where as some craftable items are not droppable.

    Combat centric? Well, aren't most MMO's combat centric? I don't see how it is any more combat centric on most of the games on your list. Beside, what has that got to do with sandbox?

    Players can create houses, mansions and castles which can be put in the world which is completely non instanced and massive. The game play is non-linear and anyone can go anywhere and with proper buffs a low skilled character can kill a much higher skilled character.

    Please, Yamota.

    Quests? Here is the list of quests in Asheron's Call, all quests I checked reward the player with items: http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Quests. It's a long, long list.

    Loot driven? Completely so. All things enter the game world through either loot drops or quest rewards. All resources used for crafting come from either quest rewards or loot drops that are salvaged by players. There is no such thing as mining, harvesting, fishing, farming, woodcutting in Asheron's Call. Fine, you don't call that loot driven, thus we disagree on that.

    Just as an example, here is the list of Upper Body armour: http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Upper_Body_Armor. Most of it are quest rewards and items purchased from NPCs. Few are crafted and the ones that are crafted need loot drops as material. I reckon that won't be different for other item categories.

    Concerning player housing, according to http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Housing players don't create houses, they buy houses for in-game curreny, writs and trophies. Writs and trophies are quest rewards and loot-drops respectively.

    From what I can see Asheron's call is about as sandbox as LotRO or GW2, thus not at all. It's an old-school themepark. And how exactly change players the game world in Asheron's Call? I couldn't find anything about that on the Asheron's Call wiki here: http://asheron.wikia.com/wiki/Home

    You have no idea what you are talking about, and considering you havent even played the game that is not surprising, but fine it is your list. But I played Asheron's Call for 3-4 years and it is the best sandbox experience I have ever had.

    It is completely not linear, contrary to GW 2 and other which you try to equate AC too, it is purely skill based and the level number is just a measurement of the amount of exp you have. A low exp player can go to anywhere in the world and if he got the skills for it, he can thrive.

    Just because you can't harvest and craft the way you see it does not make it a ThemePark, you have no clue what you are talking about. Also quests, who the hell says quests goes against sandbox concepts, that is your construct. And you get very little exp from the quests so just because there are lots of them does not mean they drive your progression, they do not.

    That you even have the gall to classify it as a "ThemePark" when the therm was not even invented and based on reading on some wiki sites just shows your ignorance. Asheron's Call has given me the most non-linear and open ended game play of any MMO to date beside UO, and I have played a lot of them. So you dont have the qualifications to label this as not sandbox as your definition of it seems to be narrow and deluded. Non quest based, non combat based is NOT what defines a sandbox, they have nothing to do with it, like this thread.

    Yeah, AC was a great sandbox game.  It'll always be my favorite MMORPG.

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