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GW2 at 2M boxes sold, MOP double?

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  • FionFion Montour Falls, NYPosts: 2,351Member

    According to a new report by Lazard Capital Markets, an investment firm that tracks these numbers, MoP has sold 600-700 thousand units in the last two days. This does not count digital sales but notes that digital sales will not make up for the poor retail performance', suggesting it sold less than this digitally as far as they have tracked.

    As the Nadia above notes, that is an exreme drop from previous expansions where up until now each expansion has outsold the last in terms if 'first day' sales.

    I guess the OP's prediction didn't exactly come true.

    Edit: Forgot to link the report.

    http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria-performance-disappointing/

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  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,281Member Uncommon
    Looks like pandas and ps2 until Teso, OOOOr till TSW gives me some pvp!!!
  • ZylaxxZylaxx Erlanger, KYPosts: 2,574Member

    Negative, Pandas been on the top 100 for 66 days, but is number 1 now.  GW2 has been on the top 100 for 224 days and is number 3.

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  • someforumguysomeforumguy HomePosts: 3,540Member Uncommon
    Would make sense that MoP will sell more boxes. There are already more then 2m WoW players who currently enjoy WoW. When you are playing a game, you don't really look at other games a lot, but you will know about an upcoming expansion for your game. So it makes sense that many of them buy the expansion without a second thought.
  • VhalnVhaln Chicago, ILPosts: 3,159Member
    Originally posted by Fion

    According to a new report by Lazard Capital Markets, an investment firm that tracks these numbers, MoP has sold 600-700 thousand units in the last two days. This does not count digital sales but notes that digital sales will not make up for the poor retail performance', suggesting it sold less than this digitally as far as they have tracked.

    As the Nadia above notes, that is an exreme drop from previous expansions where up until now each expansion has outsold the last in terms if 'first day' sales.

    I guess the OP's prediction didn't exactly come true.

    Edit: Forgot to link the report.

    http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria-performance-disappointing/

     

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  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Long Island, NYPosts: 480Member Uncommon

    Lets see.

     

    WoW = Players willing to pay for  the game + pay a sub + spend in the store. Wow goes from 10mil subs to 9mil and is how old? Even if its 6mil that 6mil all spening a min of $15/month.

     

    Gw = Players willing to pay for the game + wont pay a sub + 70% of the people polled on this site said they wont be spending in the store. GW1 had the same profit as CoH. GW1 sold 7mil  copies but never released how many concurrent players they had other than the 400k GW2 had but oddly we haven't heard anything since then.

     

    Sorry but if this is a pissing contest the GW2 fans are drenched in panda fluids atm.

     

    When GW2 has been around for the same amount of time as WoW then lets do the comparisons at that point.

  • AzrileAzrile Houston, MDPosts: 2,582Member
    Originally posted by Vhaln
    Originally posted by Fion

    According to a new report by Lazard Capital Markets, an investment firm that tracks these numbers, MoP has sold 600-700 thousand units in the last two days. This does not count digital sales but notes that digital sales will not make up for the poor retail performance', suggesting it sold less than this digitally as far as they have tracked.

    As the Nadia above notes, that is an exreme drop from previous expansions where up until now each expansion has outsold the last in terms if 'first day' sales.

    I guess the OP's prediction didn't exactly come true.

    Edit: Forgot to link the report.

    http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria-performance-disappointing/

     

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    Dude, what are you talking about.   MoP is DD..   you are taking estimates from an analysts?  Gimme a break..  wait until Blizz announces..  3M minimum.  servers are packed, they had to offer free server transfers because there were queues again.    You ´nailed´ an analyst.. congrats.    Who would buy a physical box except if you like the box..  everyone DD and was playing at midnight rather than at a store.

  • Mike_LMike_L AalborgPosts: 71Member
    After being a veteran in wow since beta 8+ years ago I decided to give GW2 a try and close my WoW account. Never has I been so annoyed and disapointed over a game as I've been over GW2. I have many MMOs on my PC but I will for sure go back to WoW after spending my time in GW2 which to me was just... terrible and annoying.

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  • IPolygonIPolygon ViennaPosts: 707Member Uncommon
    Of course WoW will sell more boxes than GW2 until GW2 reaches about the same active playerbase. Try to compare WoW to EQ or something and it is fair.
  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 18,030Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by TalulaRose

    Lets see.

    WoW = Players willing to pay for  the game + pay a sub + spend in the store. Wow goes from 10mil subs to 9mil and is how old? Even if its 6mil that 6mil all spening a min of $15/month.

    Gw = Players willing to pay for the game + wont pay a sub + 70% of the people polled on this site said they wont be spending in the store. GW1 had the same profit as CoH. GW1 sold 7mil  copies but never released how many concurrent players they had other than the 400k GW2 had but oddly we haven't heard anything since then.

    Sorry but if this is a pissing contest the GW2 fans are drenched in panda fluids atm.

    When GW2 has been around for the same amount of time as WoW then lets do the comparisons at that point.

    It is more complicated than that, only western players pay $15 for Wow, Chinese players have an account they cash up money on and each hour cost 9 cents. And we have no real rate on how many of Wow players that live in China since after 2009 when they said half lived there in PC gamer.

    Still, GW2 will earn in less money for each player than Wow, but then again earning more money does not make a game better, TOR also earns more money for each player and so does Mortal online.

    I just dont see the use of comparing games like this, and it would be slightly fairer to compare MOP with GW2s 4th expansion or Vanilla Wow and GW2 but that would still be rather off.

    Wow do great, GW2 do fine so far but we will see how things work out with it later.

    Comparing MOP with CATA is somewhat more useful... But with no official numbers that is just guesses anyways.

  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 18,030Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ambros1234
    WoW is going to annihilate any game out there in sales... no ifs ands or buts about that.  So who fking cares that as usual they beat other titles in sales like they've done evey time in the past?

    Not forever, nothing lasts forever. But Wow is still large and assuming that a newly released game can beat Wows latest expansion sales is neither fair nor realistic.

    But many people assume Wow always will be the largest MMO and that is kinda like people who have a "Hanson" tattoo, they thought that group would be a huge classic they would love forever.... Times and people change and nothing lasts forever beside death and taxes.

  • GarkanGarkan BirminghamPosts: 552Member
    Originally posted by Azrile
    Originally posted by Vhaln
    Originally posted by Fion

    According to a new report by Lazard Capital Markets, an investment firm that tracks these numbers, MoP has sold 600-700 thousand units in the last two days. This does not count digital sales but notes that digital sales will not make up for the poor retail performance', suggesting it sold less than this digitally as far as they have tracked.

    As the Nadia above notes, that is an exreme drop from previous expansions where up until now each expansion has outsold the last in terms if 'first day' sales.

    I guess the OP's prediction didn't exactly come true.

    Edit: Forgot to link the report.

    http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria-performance-disappointing/

     

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    Dude, what are you talking about.   MoP is DD..   you are taking estimates from an analysts?  Gimme a break..  wait until Blizz announces..  3M minimum.  servers are packed, they had to offer free server transfers because there were queues again.    You ´nailed´ an analyst.. congrats.    Who would buy a physical box except if you like the box..  everyone DD and was playing at midnight rather than at a store.

     

    Lazard Capital Markets are highly rated for accuracy, http://biz.yahoo.com/a/9/93886.html They can never be 100% accurate but the figure they claim is very likely to be in the ball park.

    You cannot be sure of any numbers quoted by Activision-Blizzard, independent sources are always more trustworthy. Publicly traded companies will always fudge and disguise the success or failure of a product as much as possible in order to maintain the best image possible for the markets.

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  • FionFion Montour Falls, NYPosts: 2,351Member
    Originally posted by TalulaRose

     

    Sorry but if this is a pissing contest the GW2 fans are drenched in panda fluids atm.

     

    I just listed the numbers from the most recent report, pretty much virbatim. No pissing match here. I'm a fan of one and not so much the other (Quit during Northrend), but I've never seen the point of the tribalism that goes on here.

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  • roo67roo67 londonPosts: 402Member

    I think looking at this the answer to the OPs question is probably no .

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/27/analysts-mists-of-pandaria-sales-disappointing/#comments

    Its difficult to tell but it appears MoP and GW2 might be in a close race for units solds and digital downloads upon release . I wouldn't like to bet either way what will sell best in its initial week or month.

    But it appears MoP has failed to double what GW2 sold . (if accurate) It may even fail to match GW2 sales .

  • AzrileAzrile Houston, MDPosts: 2,582Member
    Originally posted by roo67

    I think looking at this the answer to the OPs question is probably no .

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/27/analysts-mists-of-pandaria-sales-disappointing/#comments

    Its difficult to tell but it appears MoP and GW2 might be in a close race for units solds and digital downloads upon release . I wouldn't like to bet either way what will sell best in its initial week or month.

    But it appears MoP has failed to double what GW2 sold . (if accurate) It may even fail to match GW2 sales .

    MoP has been sold primarily through DD.  This is the first expansion where it was available from battlenet.  Those articles are clueless because they are comparing against Cata which was 100%  retail sales.  I really think the number of people who bought a physical box is the vast minority.. it was just so easy to buy it in advance and be ready to play at midnight.

  • laseritlaserit Vancouver, BCPosts: 1,952Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Azrile
    Originally posted by roo67

    I think looking at this the answer to the OPs question is probably no .

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/27/analysts-mists-of-pandaria-sales-disappointing/#comments

    Its difficult to tell but it appears MoP and GW2 might be in a close race for units solds and digital downloads upon release . I wouldn't like to bet either way what will sell best in its initial week or month.

    But it appears MoP has failed to double what GW2 sold . (if accurate) It may even fail to match GW2 sales .

    MoP has been sold primarily through DD.  This is the first expansion where it was available from battlenet.  Those articles are clueless because they are comparing against Cata which was 100%  retail sales.  I really think the number of people who bought a physical box is the vast minority.. it was just so easy to buy it in advance and be ready to play at midnight.

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  • roo67roo67 londonPosts: 402Member

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft:_Mists_of_Pandaria

    Looking at wikipedia if it is correct . MoP sales are 50 percent down on Cata in the first 24 hours . If true that means MoP not only failed to double GW2 sales it may have even failed to match them . At best we those figures they would be at a level pegging . Which is increadibly bad given WoW is an established game and GW2 is not .

    Still too soon to call but I think the sales are going to be very disapointing and very worrying for Blizzard .

    Heads will roll I would think in the near future .

  • boenboyboenboy ParisPosts: 5Member
    No idea how many they sold yet, but I expect around 7-8 millions in the next 1-2 months. Everything else would be a disappointment since they always say, they have around 9 million payin subscribers.
  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    I live in Australia and managed to get every WoW expansion as DD, not sure where you guys got that this is the first DD. the truth is that retail usually accounts for 60-70% of sales, and MoP has only sold 700,000 so far, so it probably hasn't even beaten GW2 yet. Maybe it will when people get the urge to play old characters after the initial disappointment wears off.
  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon
    People are confused, this is the first expansion they offered DD of the CE which is going to skew things bit. I'm welling to bet people who didn't wanna fork over 80 bucks for a box CE may have done 60 for the DE as its the price of a regular retail game.
  • evilastroevilastro EdinburghPosts: 4,270Member
    Lets be honest, it still hasn't done very well, otherwise Blizzard would be bragging already like they have done so in the past.
  • YakkinYakkin irvine, CAPosts: 919Member
    Originally posted by boenboy
    No idea how many they sold yet, but I expect around 7-8 millions in the next 1-2 months. Everything else would be a disappointment since they always say, they have around 9 million payin subscribers.

    That's just plain unrealistic. Cataclysm had supremely high sales, yet it was only roughly over 1/3 of the total playerbase of the time (4.7 out of 11+ million, I believe?). Expecting any of the expansions to sell to nearly 80% of the playerbase is plain ridiculous.

    Or was I thinking about the first 24 hours?

  • ShadoedShadoed BirminghamPosts: 1,499Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Enigmatus
    Originally posted by boenboy
    No idea how many they sold yet, but I expect around 7-8 millions in the next 1-2 months. Everything else would be a disappointment since they always say, they have around 9 million payin subscribers.

    That's just plain unrealistic. Cataclysm had supremely high sales, yet it was only roughly over 1/3 of the total playerbase of the time (4.7 out of 11+ million, I believe?). Expecting any of the expansions to sell to nearly 80% of the playerbase is plain ridiculous.

    Or was I thinking about the first 24 hours?

    Let's not forget that there are only around 4.5mill subbed customers, the rest of the numbers are made up by asian players using the pay-per-hour system who don't buy expansions, so the most they could have sold initially would have to have been within that 4.5mill base, but it is a wait and see thing at the moment.

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  • AzrileAzrile Houston, MDPosts: 2,582Member
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Lets be honest, it still hasn't done very well, otherwise Blizzard would be bragging already like they have done so in the past.

    The first 24hr sales numbers are usually released by Blizzard about 10-14 days after the launch of an expansion.  We are on day 7 right now, and they have never released them that early.  Nice try though.  Maybe by next wednesday we can begin to question it.

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