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Why WoW has been continually successful - "It's the content stupid!"
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I would call it good programming and design, but it is basically the same as you said, yes.
I dont feel that Wos content in itself is better than thta of many other games, but Blizzard have programmers far better than the average MMO.
If Wow had the guys who programmed Everquest I just dont see it getting more than 20% of its current subs.
easy to figure out why.
kids control 80% of game market.
kids love cartoon and fast win
wow give them both to them
Why WoW has been continually successful - "It's the stupid people!"
Seriously though, there are a number of reasons contributing to it's success, not just one.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Panda as referred to by the Chinese means large bearcat,
My friend you are insane for thinking that somehow this expansion is racist, maybe you are the racist. Kung Fu Panda probably did badly in China because it was comical, desecrated a fighting tradition and attempted to Americanize a cultural reference adored by its people, and was a Childs movie that at 2% still was viewed by 20 million Chinese people!
He's totally right swtor didn't fail because it used mmorpg combat and maintained the trinity, that is what mmorpg players like. Need proof? Basically the only successful mmorpg right now is WoW. Swtor failed because they delivered garbage content post 50 and class balance in pvp is broken. People like classes, roles, tab targeting and mmorpg style combat, if you want an fps game planet side is coming for your soon, but that is not an mmorpg.
I say it is several things
First it is the engine, WoW wil run on virtually any comnputer from a hand me down 4th generation laptop on up
Second WoW took EQ1 and eliminated a lot of the suckier parts, at least in the initial levelling
WoW made playing MMO's easy. I have a neighbor who is horrible at games. She has to go into god mode to play any single payer FPS, RPG, or RTS. But as long as she stands where her hubby tells her to and spams the keys he tells her to she can raid in WoW with the best of them. She loves MOP and is mad at me for making fun of her newest character, she even made a panda character for her 8 year old son to play.
I miss DAoC
Can i see your stats for that?
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
yes we know. first the cool ppl jumped to war. after rift and then swtor. now all the cool and mature ppl playing gw2, leaving the 9? million of 8-17yrs old playing wow...we got it man
just a question. those 2-3 millions subs that lost wow were 8-17 or mature ppl? cause if there is a descent % of 8-17 that stopped wow, you can guess what they are playing now, right ?
I will show you my stats if you show me your college transcripts, birth certificate and tax returns for the last 6 years
It should be fairly obvious, look at the chat, check the guilds and see how many ask for players 18 and over please (not many), when you group talk to your fellow groupies and you will see their maturity level. Hey dont get me wrong there has to ba a place for young kids and teens to play an mmo and WOW has provided it for them, However being older I naturally like to play with adults
I see chat every day, i am in a guild that asks for 16yo and over with most of our guild being 20's & 30's which can be vouched for having met a few myself and i can tell you now that i have never seen an 8-17yo drink like the guys from Norway.
As for one of your other notes there, age is no measure of maturity in any way what so ever, so we can scratch that before we even start.
Smack talk the gameplay all you like, although why people feel the need to try and prove to themselves so hard that this game is so bad still amazes me, but the subscription alone makes this a much less attractive prospect for younger players than say, GW2 for example.
I would still love to see your 'proof' or 'facts' behind your statements, but as with everyone else that drops the same old rhetoric into any and all posts on this forum i don't expect that there is any to be had.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
Kind of sensitive LOL, Nothing wrong with being a fanboy as long as you show some objectivity and you are not showing very much. That is great that you are in a guild that wants players older than 16 they are few and far between. Let me ask you a question, how old are you? It does not take a wizard to figure out who on wow is 12 and who is 35, it just takes common sense. If you think that WOW came out with a Panda expansion to attract 25 yr olds and up then you need to rethink your comments. Like I said great game for young players and teens- simple easy content, colorfull graphics like a cartoon, super easy combat, what is not to love if you are 12. I am not talking smack just making honest observations
try googling worlds youngest WoW player, there are a lot of player younger than him. I promised him I would teach him to circle and side strafe so he can kick mommy's tail in PvP, LOL
I mean seriously it's not just WoW. NO MMORPG is hard, I mean it's not chess and even a FPS or RTS takes more more skills and planning. In a MMORPG you just repeat the same thing over and over. MMORPG's are not meant to be strategy or twitch games they were intended to be social RPG
With most you don't even need to move in PvE, a few of the newer games you do need to try and dodge a bit but it still ain't FPS style combat
BTW on the first part you highlighted I was referring to the computer specs, raid hubs with exclamation marks and doing away with 4 hour corpse runs ala EQ1, and guilds having to stake out a mob waiting for it to spawn for 4 or 5 days . It was meant as a complimentt
I miss DAoC
Have you ever played EVE Online or Anarchy Online?
And the fact that the support is actually reasonability responsive and the fact that the dev staff do listen and take polled opinions seriously (maybe a bit too much in some case).
Not just WoW, majority of the game that Blizzard made has been a hit. It is the company, not the game the won.
WoW itself is getting old, and it is natural for things to wither and die. However I got a feeling that whatever is coming up next (Titan) probably won't fail either because of their practice of doing things the right way - as long as they can maintaina nd improve on that, that is.
Not so much sensitive, you just get a little tired of reading the same regurgitated lines over and over again regardless of what the thread is actually about and with never anything but 'my next door neighbour said' to back it up.
If you really need to know, i am a 42 year old father of 5 (kids in teens to 20's) and i also have a brother of 39 who plays as well as a father of 62 who plays as well. I have already said that my guild is for over 16's only and the main membership is in their 20's and 30's who i keep in touch with either in person or over various social network sources. So in 'my' experience the game has a mature in age average user base.
As for the 'Panda' expansion, well that has to do with both pandering (<<<see what i did there) to the asian market a little as well as riding on the back of the disney success, but if you think that Disney only makes films to appeal to children these days then you may need to rethink some of your comments.
I am not arguing that the content is hard, or the graphics are lifelike or even that the combat is so complex that it takes a rocket scientist to formulate a rotation, but i am saying that this does not make the game a child only zone because if that was the case then there would be hardly any 'adult' players in the MMO market at all and i don't thnk you are claiming that now are you?
The thing to remember after all is that these things, WoW or otherwise are there to entertain people pure and simple and no matter what your age if you enjoy that entertainment then you will continue to play, watch or take part in it.
As for objectivity, you are seriously going to call me on that?
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
Hm this is funny.
Everyone claims only kids play WoW but i play since release and in every guild i have been in, the majority of the players were from 25 to 50 yy old, many married with other guild members and the few kids that actually played it were quite well behaved, and usually were the children of some of the players in said guild.
Now granted, i probably only met like an 1% of the playerbase in my lifetime, but so has everyone else so my view is as valid as everyone else so.... now i claim only grown ups play WoW, cause in my chats it´s full of nice people.
Generalizing ftw.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
Teenage boys want to play at wannabe gangsters in grand theft auto or whatever, they don't want to play a nerd game like gw2 or wow, not enough t&a or gratuitous violence.
Best argument to date
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
Or how about because they made a game that was Hyper-Marketable???
How easy is it to tell your friends your playing "Everquest" or Age of Conan"?? What about, O hey im playing EQ or Im playing AOC"??
Now say "Hey im going to go play WoW, you know, WORLD OF WARCRAFT! It rolls off the tounge and although it sounds nerdy, its nothing overly specific to fantasy, its just saying there is a World of War and you get to craft that war by your actions.
Blizzard made a great creative and fun loving world that the whole family could enjoy, and sorry you guys but WoW WAS GOOD when it came out.
played Anarchy Online at release and off and on afterwards for a couple of years. Eve off and on since beta. I don't remember AO requiring any real amount of skill but I loved it's skill system. EvE was just a huge time sink once I got the hang of playing the market. The original SWG had a good dodge system for it's melee toons that used a bit of skil as do many classes in otehr MMO's but noting like what a good FPS requires. Time sinks is the big thing in most MMO's, just large investments of time repeating the same actions over and over. Don't get me wrong I love my MMORPG's but what I enjoy about them is the exploration and socializing with my guildies on vent and mumbles
When I think of computer games requiring skill and strategy I think of FPS style games that need good reflexes and the old Avalon Hill War and stragey games. At least in GW2 you can't just stand in one spot and survive...well maybe Guardian you can. There may be a couple other MMO's I have not played where that applies also. But even they do not require the motor skills of a good multiplayer FPS
mainly I was referring to as a false claim of skill in MMO's is the concept of raiding. I have raided in EQ2, LoTRO, and SWToR and all I have ever seen is the same old mobs that do the same old thing week in and week out. Once you know the strategy of how to do the raid it is just a matter of repeating that over and over. No skill required, just a bit of self discipline, follow the raid leaders directions, and hope the great god of the random number generator smiles on you
I miss DAoC
The reason why you keep reading these regurgitated lines is many people have played WOW and came to the same conclusion I have, it is a game that is very good at attracting younger gamers. Does this mean that a 42 yr old may want to play it? YES especially if he has teens who play, it is a great way to bond with your kid. It is unlikely a younger player is going to be attracted to a game like Eve, or TSW or fallen Earth or an older game like Anarchy online , Ryzom or even games like Vanguard where Diplomacy or the crafting system is to much for their instant grat brain.
Blizzard had great strategy, "lets attract younger players, they have a lot more spare time to play, they will either pay for a sub themselves or get money from their parents" And that is why they have 11 million players now.
Hey I perfectly understand, what person over the age of 25 would want to admit to playing WOW especially after they listen to world chat. I played WOW and after a little while I felt kind of embarrised by it, so I can certainly understand
well, when WoW first came out quite a few of the players were fairly young.. they got older, of course there are still young players joining the game, but i don't think WoW is the only game to have young players, or rude ones for that matter. My own experience is that i have encountered more friendly people in WoW than not. But i can't really say i've played any game that had a predominantly young/rude etc playerbase.. though i havent played all the games out there yet