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Trent Oster Thinks Fans Negativity and EA Drove Muzyka and Zeschuk from Bioware

Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon

Link

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/09/28/trent-oster-thinks-fans-negativity-and-ea-drove-muzyka-and-zeschuk-from-bioware/

 

I would say I am not surprised that they would want to quit because of fan negativity. SWTOR "fans" venom could kill every body.

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  • CujoSWAoACujoSWAoA Nooo, AKPosts: 1,781Member

    Maybe they shouldn't have made a shitty game.

    I don't feel bad for them.  Not one damn bit.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    All the troubles started when they joined EA. There could have been no negativity if they were not with EA. EA are the root cause
  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon

    The total failure of swtor is what drove them out.    All I can say is if you make a pos game and folks complain about it, and the devs dont listen that is their fault.  We told them how bad it was in beta.

      The way I see it if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

    I don't blame them for leaving, best to do it before the ship sinks and before it goes free to play.

     

  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon
    For many people this game is great. We still playing and there are lots of us... so not a total failure :)

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    Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
    Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
    Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    For many people this game is great. We still playing and there are lots of us... so not a total failure :)

    That will still not make the game stay active, unless when it goes F2P, you are willing to spend $1000 per month in the cash shop, to carry those taking it for a free ride.

    If it was not a failure, the game would be getting expansion packs and stuff, as promised, and end up being a better game, all that the game will get now is stuff that was already written, and spoon fed every 6 weeks.

    Star Trek Online never had any promises of expansions, but it keeps getting content added, on almost a weekly basis, and they are expanding their dev team, and have recently taken on devs from Paragon Studios. Now that is a game on the up and up. Not exactly a success, but not a failure as they are constantly updating and expanding it. In my own eyes it is a success, but not a success for mass popularity

  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon
    We got new operation few days ago and new warzone in coming. Makeb is coming. So we getting new stuff.

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    Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
    Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
    Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member

    Or .. it was that Muzyka and Zeschuk were used to calling the shots in their games to ensure they were of the highest quality.

     

    When EA got on board, EA started calling the shots, cutting corners, and releasing the game early.  EA then proceeded to fire people the people Muzyka and Zeschuk came to respect as game creators / designers.  The doctors probably were disgusted at what was happening, spent the time that their sales contract said they had to spend with EA, then they left.  They left at the same time no less, which seems more like a contract obligation now expiring.

     

    They were probably just counting the minutes.

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  • defector1968defector1968 Nar ShaddaaPosts: 393Member Common
    Trent Oster is correct
  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon
    Its unfortunate but they just had to go back to their roots. I know its harder than it sounds since a behemoth like EA will want you to make a super accessible game for everyone to play, but when your game gets off track only the die hard fans that you let down will be there to throw rocks at you and the casual folks will move on to the next thing. Gaming is a brutal industry.....

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  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    We got new operation few days ago and new warzone in coming. Makeb is coming. So we getting new stuff.

    That should have been in months ago, with 1.2, they are just spreading content out to keep players playing, as can not afford to create new stuff now

    Also all that content is what you have to pay for. Me personally am not interested in Operation and Warzones, it is just more of the same.

  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    We got new operation few days ago and new warzone in coming. Makeb is coming. So we getting new stuff.

    That should have been in months ago, with 1.2, they are just spreading content out to keep players playing, as can not afford to create new stuff now

    Also all that content is what you have to pay for. Me personally am not interested in Operation and Warzones, it is just more of the same.

    So... the only game which has to have unlimited content or be hated is SWTOR. Show me any game that released within one year that does not have problem with content after 9 months after release.

    People burn through content and get bored. Normal in every MMO. Play other game until content arrives. Simple as that.

    image
    Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
    Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
    Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  • DrunkWolfDrunkWolf Posts: 1,180Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

    Maybe they shouldn't have made a shitty game.

    I don't feel bad for them.  Not one damn bit.

     i agree with this guy.

    when you have 200 million to make a game and you make one that sucks, it shouldnt be you feeling bad and leaveing. it should be you getting fired.

  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    We got new operation few days ago and new warzone in coming. Makeb is coming. So we getting new stuff.

    That should have been in months ago, with 1.2, they are just spreading content out to keep players playing, as can not afford to create new stuff now

    Also all that content is what you have to pay for. Me personally am not interested in Operation and Warzones, it is just more of the same.

    So... the only game which has to have unlimited content or be hated is SWTOR. Show me any game that released within one year that does not have problem with content after 9 months after release.

    People burn through content and get bored. Normal in every MMO. Play other game until content arrives. Simple as that.

    Folks burnt through the content because there was not much of it.  Before I quit I had 4 50's on the emire side and 4 toons variying from mid 20's to low 40's on the republic side and all that in under 3 months.  From what I understand there will not be any new story for your characters and that is what was cool the story for each class, but they are no longer going to do that.  That leaves you with very little content and replayability.  Not to mention most of the operations used to be very very buggy.  I will point at rift, and other games that are still not free to play yet.  Swtor had a mass exodus and it is still bleeding subs.  Is this the doctors fault, or ea's fault. I don't know all I know is the game was not well done, and you dont put hard end point in the game if your going to keep growing. 

  • ScorpionOneScorpionOne Mechanicville, NYPosts: 190Member Uncommon

    We can speculate all we want about the real reason to why the two doctors left.  All in all, I would like to think that it was a little bit of everything.

     

    They may have thought it was a great idea to have the backing of EA at the time.  What could go wrong right?  But that's the problem with greedy publishers.  THEY are the ones that want to call the shots.  And EA is notorious for it.  Don't believe me?  Look at what happened to Westwood Studios, Earth and Beyond, Command and Conquer (the Kane series).  All of them either were dissolved or the games SUCKED because EA just HAD to get their hands in the pot.

     

    And this is evident by the Mass Effect 3 backlash and the Dragon Age 2 debacle.  Do I personally feel wronged by what happened?  As a former loyal fan of Bioware, yes.  Because I believed in what Bioware stood for.

     

    I can imagine how much it hurt to feel so much of that backlash from the fans that believed in you at one time.  That praised your name on high because you proved to them what it meant to care about your followers.  And then EA steps in and takes that all away.

     

    I think, as I said, that it is a combination of everything and it just all came to a head for the doctors. 

     

    Just my 2 cents.

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  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    We got new operation few days ago and new warzone in coming. Makeb is coming. So we getting new stuff.

    That should have been in months ago, with 1.2, they are just spreading content out to keep players playing, as can not afford to create new stuff now

    Also all that content is what you have to pay for. Me personally am not interested in Operation and Warzones, it is just more of the same.

    So... the only game which has to have unlimited content or be hated is SWTOR. Show me any game that released within one year that does not have problem with content after 9 months after release.

    People burn through content and get bored. Normal in every MMO. Play other game until content arrives. Simple as that.

    There has not been any real new content to SWTOR since 1.1 until 1.4. Makeb was already done beforehand. What do you think took them all these years to do. They said when the game created they had about 2 years worth of content already done, ready to implement to feed the masses.

    Their plan was to add Operations / Flashpoints / Warzones with each new update. They have been vacant in 1.2 and 1.3

    The main problem though is the game is just not expanding. What you see is what you get.

    LOTRO had no housing, skirmishes etc to start with, that got added later, expanding the game

    SWG had no vehicles, space, player cities, chronicles system, Heroics etc when it got released, it got added later expanding the game

    STO had no ability to see your insides of your ship to begin with, at first it was your bridge, then the rest of the ship, then they added Duty Officers you could see in your ship and interact with.

    If this was SWTOR, none of those MMOs would have gotten all those features, just the content / more story.

    What would be good in SWTOR would be for them to make your ship like a house so you could put stuff in it, and operate a shop, or maybe a story creator or maybe a Beast master profession, but that is not going to happen, because the game can not be expanded upon

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    We got new operation few days ago and new warzone in coming. Makeb is coming. So we getting new stuff.

    That should have been in months ago, with 1.2, they are just spreading content out to keep players playing, as can not afford to create new stuff now

    Also all that content is what you have to pay for. Me personally am not interested in Operation and Warzones, it is just more of the same.

    So... the only game which has to have unlimited content or be hated is SWTOR. Show me any game that released within one year that does not have problem with content after 9 months after release.

    People burn through content and get bored. Normal in every MMO. Play other game until content arrives. Simple as that.

    Well there were other games with content 9 months after release, but even in the case of WoW and EQ, their player base didn't suffer immensively.  WoW was adding stuff for instance (back in their glory days before Activision).

     

    That data though is immaterial, since you said people get bored and play other games.  This is true, but people are not returning to SWTOR, and this directly relates to EA's lying and abuse of their customers.  Rated Battle grounds to come out in 1.2 .. nope day before, no it's not, just kidding! .. But we are working on everything you could possibly imagine to make you happy, it's Coming Soon! .. please don't unsubscribe.

     

    SWTOR .. :(

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  • william0532william0532 portland, ORPosts: 251Member
    Originally posted by DrunkWolf
    Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

    Maybe they shouldn't have made a shitty game.

    I don't feel bad for them.  Not one damn bit.

     i agree with this guy.

    when you have 200 million to make a game and you make one that sucks, it shouldnt be you feeling bad and leaveing. it should be you getting fired.

    Agreed

  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon

    Well, time will tell. BioWare was always about story and I hope that story it is what they will deliver...

    I have to say  that I prefer to get story 1000x more then bousing etc. And I am willing to wait for it.

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    Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
    Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
    Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61

    Well, time will tell. BioWare was always about story and I hope that story it is what they will deliver...

    I have to say  that I prefer to get story 1000x more then bousing etc. And I am willing to wait for it.

    You keep trying to differentiate between BioWare and EA .. BioWare is EA now .. It's only EA marketers that are trying to keep them separate to deflect blame from EA, in an effort to put all blame somewhere else .. on "BioWare".

     

    Everyone important who founded BioWare from the ground up is gone .. there is no more expectations that BioWare is always about story .. BioWare is no more.

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61

    Well, time will tell. BioWare was always about story and I hope that story it is what they will deliver...

    I have to say  that I prefer to get story 1000x more then bousing etc. And I am willing to wait for it.

    The point is those other MMOs got story and houses, attracting many more people

    Without The Doctors, any new story now will not be as good as what there is. Time for flying ewoks now ;)

  • Sevenstar61Sevenstar61 Centreville, VAPosts: 1,690Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    We got new operation few days ago and new warzone in coming. Makeb is coming. So we getting new stuff.

    That should have been in months ago, with 1.2, they are just spreading content out to keep players playing, as can not afford to create new stuff now

    Also all that content is what you have to pay for. Me personally am not interested in Operation and Warzones, it is just more of the same.

    So... the only game which has to have unlimited content or be hated is SWTOR. Show me any game that released within one year that does not have problem with content after 9 months after release.

    People burn through content and get bored. Normal in every MMO. Play other game until content arrives. Simple as that.

    Well there were other games with content 9 months after release, but even in the case of WoW and EQ, their player base didn't suffer immensively.  WoW was adding stuff for instance (back in their glory days before Activision).

     

    That data though is immaterial, since you said people get bored and play other games.  This is true, but people are not returning to SWTOR, and this directly relates to EA's lying and abuse of their customers.  Rated Battle grounds to come out in 1.2 .. nope day before, no it's not, just kidding! .. But we are working on everything you could possibly imagine to make you happy, it's Coming Soon! .. please don't unsubscribe.

     

    SWTOR .. :(

    Subscribe if you enjoy the game , unsubscribe if you don't. Then move on. Come back when you find out more content is delivered or if you want to roll and try another toon.

    It's amazing how people don't give a chance for game to grow in case of SWTOR.

    Hatred on these forums made people not even want to try it, and many unsubscribed because it was a shame to play this game.

    You play SWTOR? Are you an idiot?

    There is not one positive thread on this forum about SWTOR. And for many people this game is great, unforgetable experience. 

    Oh well. I love this game and I will continue to love it. :)  I just hope all this hate will find another target LOL

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    Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
    Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
    Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  • KarteliKarteli Providence, PAPosts: 2,646Member
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    We got new operation few days ago and new warzone in coming. Makeb is coming. So we getting new stuff.

    That should have been in months ago, with 1.2, they are just spreading content out to keep players playing, as can not afford to create new stuff now

    Also all that content is what you have to pay for. Me personally am not interested in Operation and Warzones, it is just more of the same.

    So... the only game which has to have unlimited content or be hated is SWTOR. Show me any game that released within one year that does not have problem with content after 9 months after release.

    People burn through content and get bored. Normal in every MMO. Play other game until content arrives. Simple as that.

    Well there were other games with content 9 months after release, but even in the case of WoW and EQ, their player base didn't suffer immensively.  WoW was adding stuff for instance (back in their glory days before Activision).

     

    That data though is immaterial, since you said people get bored and play other games.  This is true, but people are not returning to SWTOR, and this directly relates to EA's lying and abuse of their customers.  Rated Battle grounds to come out in 1.2 .. nope day before, no it's not, just kidding! .. But we are working on everything you could possibly imagine to make you happy, it's Coming Soon! .. please don't unsubscribe.

     

    SWTOR .. :(

    Subscribe if you enjoy the game , unsubscribe if you don't. Then move on. Come back when you find out more content is delivered or if you want to roll and try another toon.

    It's amazing how people don't give a chance for game to grow in case of SWTOR.

    Hatred on these forums made people not even want to try it, and many unsubscribed because it was a shame to play this game.

    You play SWTOR? Are you an idiot?

    There is not one positive thread on this forum about SWTOR. And for many people this game is great, unforgetable experience. 

    Oh well. I love this game and I will continue to love it. :)  I just hope all this hate will find another target LOL

    Didn't give this game a chance to grow ??  Are you mad?  Players have been continually giving this game a chance to grow, but when they see zero effort, they tend to move on.

     

    Many unsubscribed becaue it was a shame to play this game.  /agree why play a game you are ashamed of playing?

     

    I played SWTOR and it could have been a great game.  Be realistic though.  It wasn't.  The game released with an inferior graphics engine that lagged and stuttered.  The gameplay was nothing Star Wars, but more World of Warcraft.  The game wasn't about ruling the universe (outside of quest stories), it was about continually paying for gear that was 5-10% better than before.  Nowhere in star wars did I see an ordinary person becoming a Jedi because they slayed 10,000 other living beings, some of which were innocent animals, to gain experience.

     

    The cross ability features of Legacy are a joke.  A smuggler (non force person) getting the ability to use Force powers?  .. because on the same account there was a Jedi? Ugh so lame.

     

    Many people gave this game a chance, and it just didn't live up to hype or expectations.  It also wasn't very Star Wars'y.

     

    If this changes, hey thats news!  But until then, it's a "stay away" game for more gamers and even SW fans.

    Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
    Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by Karteli
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Sevenstar61
    We got new operation few days ago and new warzone in coming. Makeb is coming. So we getting new stuff.

    That should have been in months ago, with 1.2, they are just spreading content out to keep players playing, as can not afford to create new stuff now

    Also all that content is what you have to pay for. Me personally am not interested in Operation and Warzones, it is just more of the same.

    So... the only game which has to have unlimited content or be hated is SWTOR. Show me any game that released within one year that does not have problem with content after 9 months after release.

    People burn through content and get bored. Normal in every MMO. Play other game until content arrives. Simple as that.

    Well there were other games with content 9 months after release, but even in the case of WoW and EQ, their player base didn't suffer immensively.  WoW was adding stuff for instance (back in their glory days before Activision).

     

    That data though is immaterial, since you said people get bored and play other games.  This is true, but people are not returning to SWTOR, and this directly relates to EA's lying and abuse of their customers.  Rated Battle grounds to come out in 1.2 .. nope day before, no it's not, just kidding! .. But we are working on everything you could possibly imagine to make you happy, it's Coming Soon! .. please don't unsubscribe.

     

    SWTOR .. :(

    Subscribe if you enjoy the game , unsubscribe if you don't. Then move on. Come back when you find out more content is delivered or if you want to roll and try another toon.

    It's amazing how people don't give a chance for game to grow in case of SWTOR.

    Hatred on these forums made people not even want to try it, and many unsubscribed because it was a shame to play this game.

    You play SWTOR? Are you an idiot?

    There is not one positive thread on this forum about SWTOR. And for many people this game is great, unforgetable experience. 

    Oh well. I love this game and I will continue to love it. :)  I just hope all this hate will find another target LOL

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    There is no negativity with SWTOR, just the ugly truth.  I mean 1.5 million people are not going to buy a game with knowing it having a monthly fee, and then just ditch it - waste of money. The mass exodus of players speaks louder than any negativity.

    WOW gets all the negativity - loads of complaints but yet millions still play it

  • nyxiumnyxium Posts: 1,222Member Uncommon
    The game also launched during one of the most catastrophic times of economic depression and collapse internationally. I feel that was a major effect on people's buying power no matter what some may say that people can afford to buy a game and a sub the times are hard and many obviously go for penny saving alternatives of f2p like LOTRO or B2P with GW / GW2. SWTOR was defeated not just by negativity, and it has been noted that was there, and in some cases a lot of negativity because of bugs, etc. But also because of the very nasty world economy, if it can be called that, more like world debt problem which is still unresolved and growing (sinking?) into the many triliions now.

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  • red_cruiserred_cruiser Milwaukee, WIPosts: 472Member Uncommon
    Well, if Casper the Star-Ghost and WoW + Cutscenes is the best that they can come up with, than I think it was high time they left the business, anyways.  Dragon Age has such a terrible world, but I was digging Mass Effect, up until the end.  Right now, I don't even bother keeping abreast of whatever projects BioWare is developing.
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