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Are MoP sales really this low ?

roo67roo67 londonPosts: 402Member

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/27/analysts-mists-of-pandaria-sales-disappointing/#comments

Just saw this on massively . I did think sales would be down but this is lot lower than I'd anticipated . To be honest I think its way too low to be accurate even if its doesn't include digital sales . Still it will be intersting to see the offical sales figures when they come out .

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  • escarretaescarreta OlhPosts: 99Member
    People are starting to open their eyes...
  • abyss404abyss404 Lemont, ILPosts: 67Member Common
    Originally posted by escarreta
    People are starting to open their eyes...

    Or you know, the game is just getting old and people are moving on. Low sales isn't an automatic indication that the interwebz has suddenly come to some conclusion that WoW is a terribad game.

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common

    thats a retail estimate

    im expecting most of MOP sales to be digital

     

    expresso commented in a different thread

    when D3 sold 3.5m its first day -- 2.5million of those sales were digital

    http://uk.gamespot.com/news/diablo-iii-sells-1m-at-retail-max-payne-3-hits-400k-in-may-npd-6382708

     

  • PsychowPsychow SF Giants Territory, CAPosts: 1,784Member

    I don't know anyone who bought a box version of the expansion instead of the digital version. The expansion is already downloaded. You wouldn't even have to insert the discs into the computer.

     

    Yet they discount the relevence of the digital sales...yeah...ok...

     

    So this little "story" is completely useless. 

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    Won't they sell a lot more when it ships to asia?
  • DraemosDraemos Antartica, AKPosts: 1,469Member
    Originally posted by roo67

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/27/analysts-mists-of-pandaria-sales-disappointing/#comments

    Just saw this on massively . I did think sales would be down but this is lot lower than I'd anticipated . To be honest I think its way too low to be accurate even if its doesn't include digital sales . Still it will be intersting to see the offical sales figures when they come out .

    Who in the hell buys box sets of WoW expansions in the first place?  

  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Nevada, MOPosts: 2,732Member
    Originally posted by Psychow

    I don't know anyone who bought a box version of the expansion instead of the digital version. The expansion is already downloaded. You wouldn't even have to insert the discs into the computer.

     

    Yet they discount the relevence of the digital sales...yeah...ok...

     

    So this little "story" is completely useless. 

    Have to agree here. The shear number of digital delux/CE mounts that were running around when the MoP patch dropped a month ago says this could be their first expansion to have digitals outsell boxed copies.

    I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  • roo67roo67 londonPosts: 402Member
    Originally posted by abyss404
    Originally posted by escarreta
    People are starting to open their eyes...

    Or you know, the game is just getting old and people are moving on. Low sales isn't an automatic indication that the interwebz has suddenly come to some conclusion that WoW is a terribad game.

    I think WoW is far from  terrible . Its not something I would want to play like I once did as its content has been watered down so much its not worth spending a lot of time in anymore . The problem is this is an indication of not just a smalll decline (if true) . This is something Blizzard as a company will have to take notice of . If I was a shareholder in Bliz I would be extemly concerned about this . I would want answers as to why this had happened and I would want heads to roll . I would also question whether the game was going in the right direction and how to bring back people to it .

    This may all be for the best eventually . Its a wake up call maybe . But lets wait and see what digital sales are like .

  • PsychowPsychow SF Giants Territory, CAPosts: 1,784Member
    Originally posted by Draemos
    Originally posted by roo67

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/27/analysts-mists-of-pandaria-sales-disappointing/#comments

    Just saw this on massively . I did think sales would be down but this is lot lower than I'd anticipated . To be honest I think its way too low to be accurate even if its doesn't include digital sales . Still it will be intersting to see the offical sales figures when they come out .

    Who in the hell buys box sets of WoW expansions in the first place?  

     

    Pretty sure it's just the guys over at VentureBeat...  image

  • WeretigarWeretigar winifrede, WVPosts: 609Member

     Unlike other MMOs zone design still favours solo play.  Mob density was nerfed to the ground, 'Elite' mobs are no longer elite, resource nodes are not sharable and this being WoW PvP players have set up NPC death squads to keep questgivers dead.  Also mobs are not sharable, first to tag gets credit, xp and loot.  Furthermore PvP players were let off the leash on RP and PvE realms as initially realm type was ignored in crossing. 

    They took part of a good idea and ignored the rest resulting in a Massively Miserable Online Roleplayer Ganking game.

    Quote from EccentricaJones from http://massively.joystiq.com

     

    Seems like they had a Illum moment that hurt pve-rp players experience by letting pvp exclusive players go on a griefing farm. This usually ends up being a turn off from people waiting to play the game after bugs are worked out since it becomes A focus point at bad development. However Amazon and Gamestop are retail stores that offer digital download. So regardless some digital download sales were in the initial count. 

  • GravargGravarg Harker Heights, TXPosts: 3,332Member Uncommon
    There's a couple of things.  I think the majority of sales this time was from digital download...There were probably more than 2 million pre-orders of digital download alone hehe.  Also, just from what i've noticed, I have characters on 3 different servers, and all of them have had queues during primetime, and that hasn't happened since TBC on one of them.  So there has to be some there.  One of my servers has had a 10-100 player queue since MoP has launched no matter what time of day.  I logged in last night at 2am to say good night to some friends, and it has a 22 player queue...at 2am central :)
  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,289Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by WhiteLantern
    Originally posted by Psychow

    I don't know anyone who bought a box version of the expansion instead of the digital version. The expansion is already downloaded. You wouldn't even have to insert the discs into the computer.

     

    Yet they discount the relevence of the digital sales...yeah...ok...

     

    So this little "story" is completely useless. 

    Have to agree here. The shear number of digital delux/CE mounts that were running around when the MoP patch dropped a month ago says this could be their first expansion to have digitals outsell boxed copies.

    Most definitely, there isnt any evidence to suggest the game didnt sell well at all, and 'retail' sales could well represent less than 10 percent of overall sales, although some people do prefer boxed/physical discs vs digital, fewer retailers stock PC games now, its often the case that the only real choice is mail order or digital, and mail order sometimes means additional costs for postage etc.  At some point hopefully we'll get more data on sales figures that include digital, it would be interesting in itself, just for the information on what percentage each category represented.image

  • halflife25halflife25 Toronto, ONPosts: 737Member
    Let the digital count come out. Hold on to your pants a little bit longer. In my guess MOP has easily sold around 2 to 2.5 million in digital alone.
  • gothagotha weymouth, MAPosts: 1,040Member
    This might likely be the beginning of a decline but there is no chance in hell its a collasp.  So i do not think thos eare the sales.
  • frestonfreston orensePosts: 521Member
    Ive bought it  but havent logged in for more than 10 mins. Wow doesnt interest me as much as it once did, but  ive invested too much time in it to ignore the expansion.
  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    Quote from EccentricaJones from http://massively.joystiq.com

     However Amazon and Gamestop are retail stores that offer digital download.

    So regardless some digital download sales were in the initial count. 

    there are no digital download offered for MOP - at either amazon or gamestop

     its an irrelevant assumption

  • Stx11Stx11 West Hills, CAPosts: 415Member
    Originally posted by WhiteLantern
    Originally posted by Psychow

    I don't know anyone who bought a box version of the expansion instead of the digital version. The expansion is already downloaded. You wouldn't even have to insert the discs into the computer.

    Yet they discount the relevence of the digital sales...yeah...ok...

    So this little "story" is completely useless. 

    Have to agree here. The shear number of digital delux/CE mounts that were running around when the MoP patch dropped a month ago says this could be their first expansion to have digitals outsell boxed copies.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Digital Sales do outsell Boxed copies this time around, but there are two things I find "troubling" for Blizzard:

    1) The very large number of Low and Medium Pop Servers - even on Launch Day in "Primetime" (every Server I used to play on stayed pegged at Medium)

    2) X-Fire Number of Players - Last I checked it still hadn't broken 10k. That number is way down from where WoW used to be.

    I'm sure the expansion will turn a profit for Blizzard and sell millions of copies. Internally though I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard considers MoP a disappointment (at least initially) - people just aren't coming back to the game in close to the numbers that they wanted to see.

  • roo67roo67 londonPosts: 402Member
    Originally posted by Phry
    Originally posted by WhiteLantern
    Originally posted by Psychow

    I don't know anyone who bought a box version of the expansion instead of the digital version. The expansion is already downloaded. You wouldn't even have to insert the discs into the computer.

     

    Yet they discount the relevence of the digital sales...yeah...ok...

     

    So this little "story" is completely useless. 

    Have to agree here. The shear number of digital delux/CE mounts that were running around when the MoP patch dropped a month ago says this could be their first expansion to have digitals outsell boxed copies.

    Most definitely, there isnt any evidence to suggest the game didnt sell well at all, and 'retail' sales could well represent less than 10 percent of overall sales, although some people do prefer boxed/physical discs vs digital, fewer retailers stock PC games now, its often the case that the only real choice is mail order or digital, and mail order sometimes means additional costs for postage etc.  At some point hopefully we'll get more data on sales figures that include digital, it would be interesting in itself, just for the information on what percentage each category represented.image

    Your math doesn't add up . If the retail sold 700 thousand boxed games then that would mean digital downloads would account for 6 million +  by your estimates which far exceeds Cataclysm which is unlikly . As someone else said the game isnt released in China yet so every single person playing WoW in the west would have had to have brought a digital download on day one .

  • OG_ZorvanOG_Zorvan Fresno, CAPosts: 615Member
    Originally posted by Draemos
    Originally posted by roo67

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/27/analysts-mists-of-pandaria-sales-disappointing/#comments

    Just saw this on massively . I did think sales would be down but this is lot lower than I'd anticipated . To be honest I think its way too low to be accurate even if its doesn't include digital sales . Still it will be intersting to see the offical sales figures when they come out .

    Who in the hell buys box sets of WoW expansions in the first place?  

    I do. Any game that comes out, if it has a boxed version, I get it. Yes, I'm a freakin' dinosaur. Get over it. lol

    EA CEO John Riccitiello's on future microtransactions: "When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging."

  • WeretigarWeretigar winifrede, WVPosts: 609Member
    Originally posted by Nadia
    Originally posted by Weretigar

    Quote from EccentricaJones from http://massively.joystiq.com

     However Amazon and Gamestop are retail stores that offer digital download.

    So regardless some digital download sales were in the initial count. 

    there are no digital download offered for MOP - at either amazon or gamestop

     its an irrelevant assumption

    Your right this is the only MMO thats come out in the last year that hasn't had a digital download. Thank you for pointing this out.   It seems that they are limiting digital downloads to only their website for greed purposes. 

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common
    Originally posted by roo67
    Originally posted by Phry

    Most definitely, there isnt any evidence to suggest the game didnt sell well at all, and 'retail' sales could well represent less than 10 percent of overall sales

    Your math doesn't add up . If the retail sold 700 thousand boxed games then that would mean digital downloads would account for 6 million +  by your estimates which far exceeds Cataclysm which is unlikly . As someone else said the game isnt released in China yet so every single person playing WoW in the west would have had to have brought a digital download on day one .

    i think he just threw out the 10% (implying digital sales wll be 9x higher)

    im expecting digital sales to be 2 times higher than retail sales for MOP

    ballpark of 2m - 2.4m total sales for MOP US/EU

  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,289Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by roo67
    Originally posted by Phry
    Originally posted by WhiteLantern
    Originally posted by Psychow

    I don't know anyone who bought a box version of the expansion instead of the digital version. The expansion is already downloaded. You wouldn't even have to insert the discs into the computer.

     

    Yet they discount the relevence of the digital sales...yeah...ok...

     

    So this little "story" is completely useless. 

    Have to agree here. The shear number of digital delux/CE mounts that were running around when the MoP patch dropped a month ago says this could be their first expansion to have digitals outsell boxed copies.

    Most definitely, there isnt any evidence to suggest the game didnt sell well at all, and 'retail' sales could well represent less than 10 percent of overall sales, although some people do prefer boxed/physical discs vs digital, fewer retailers stock PC games now, its often the case that the only real choice is mail order or digital, and mail order sometimes means additional costs for postage etc.  At some point hopefully we'll get more data on sales figures that include digital, it would be interesting in itself, just for the information on what percentage each category represented.image

    Your math doesn't add up . If the retail sold 700 thousand boxed games then that would mean digital downloads would account for 6 million +  by your estimates which far exceeds Cataclysm which is unlikly . As someone else said the game isnt released in China yet so every single person playing WoW in the west would have had to have brought a digital download on day one .

    there isnt any data yet released for digital downloads, as they are only available from Blizzard themselves, my contention is that its the digital version that is the primary one, oddly enough, you can upgrade your game account to MoP just by clicking a button on the launcher itself, something i did myself, it was fast and relatively painless. the only reason imo, to get the retail version, would be to buy the CE, which i never do for any game. As for my 'math' being inaccurate, until we get some kind of hard data from Blizzard, or a statement from them at least saying what their sales numbers were, both retail and digital, remains to be seen whether my 'guestimate' is 'spot on' or 'optimistic'  i am confident however, that Digital sales direct from Blizzard represent a far higher proportion of sales than the boxed retail version.image

  • CarnafexCarnafex Morris, ILPosts: 49Member
    The digital sales through Battlenet are very relevant since it immediately gave the user access to the MoP mount and pet weeks before the xpac released. So I think since digital upgrades were fairly incentived it skews the data too much to even discuss.
  • GhavriggGhavrigg Halifax, NSPosts: 775Member Uncommon
    Lazard doesn't take digital sales into account

    'Nuff said.

    Anyone who thinks digital sales aren't a large portion of overall sales are naive and living in the past.

  • GolbezTheLionGolbezTheLion Los Angeles, CAPosts: 331Member Uncommon

    Interesting, seems like people aren't into the same old gear grind anymore.

    Nice to see eyes opening up instead of staying glued shut.

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