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  • VirusDancerVirusDancer Brandon, FLPosts: 3,649Member

    So uh... on the mainpage befeore you login, there is an ad displayed above the Warplanes beta giveaway - to the right of hte games, guilds, etc block.  After you login, it now displays part of the header info - trending games, your name, messages, etc - that bit.

    After you logout on the mainpage, that ad area now displays the login as part of the headerblock that's displayed in that ad area...

    ...but that appears to be when the page loads as www.mmorpg.com/index.cfm as opposed to just www.mmorpg.com....

    ...it's dropping the networkbar inside where the ad would display on the index.cfm page.

    A cursory compare does not display anything that would result in that difference.  Of course, in the process of looking at that - there's an issue with one of the styles - netowrkbar instead of networkbar.

    Still though, it's a curious thing.  It's happening within the hepro div - well, inside the insidediv div inside hepro.  That div's checked as part of the cAb function that slaps up the red banner at the top.  You're basically checking that div height to see if it is 0, and if it is - it's because the ad's not being displayed and thus the red banner appears at the top.

    So it's likely an issue with one of the programatically generated iframes that's working differently based off of whether it sees itself as www.mmorpg.com or www.mmorpg.com/index.cfm - with the index.cfm page not handling the code correctly and displaying the networkbar inside the hepro...

    ...and then it's the case that it's not that it's the networkbar it's replicating, but it's likely replicating the whole page within that insidediv and only that small portion is showing.  Which could tie into some of the complaints about slowness on the site.  It's loading the page at least twice.  Who knows if it's calling itself again within that small broken div, eh?

    Just a case that when on www.mmorpg.com, using the src="#" working fine for the function to display the ad and when it's on the www.mmorpg.com/index.cfm page - src="#" is actually pulling the page itself...index.cfm....

    It's little things like this...which kind of eat away at overall confidence in a site.  Course, I've seen far worse out there....

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  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member

    I use adblock (and yes, I just adblocked the banner you put up), and have no intention of whitelisting you guys right now.  Here's why:

     

    Your site design is too busy, even without ads.  Enabling ads with your current layout, is just distracting.  What makes it worse is that the ads you guys tend to show are animation-heavy, so there's all this extra movement jumping around the screen.  In fact, even with the ads disabled, your site still looks like it's 80% advertisements anyway, which is just comical.

    Fix your site design so that it's less obnoxious, and I won't mind the ads.  If you want examples of good sites that I have whitelisted, here are a few fairly relevant examples:

     

    slashdot.org

    arstechnica.com

    penny-arcade.com

     

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  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by Worstluck
    I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

    Just adblock the bar element.

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  • VirusDancerVirusDancer Brandon, FLPosts: 3,649Member
    Originally posted by asmkm22

    I use adblock (and yes, I just adblocked the banner you put up), and have no intention of whitelisting you guys right now.  Here's why:

     

    Your site design is too busy, even without ads.  Enabling ads with your current layout, is just distracting.  What makes it worse is that the ads you guys tend to show are animation-heavy, so there's all this extra movement jumping around the screen.  In fact, even with the ads disabled, your site still looks like it's 80% advertisements anyway, which is just comical.

    Fix your site design so that it's less obnoxious, and I won't mind the ads.  If you want examples of good sites that I have whitelisted, here are a few fairly relevant examples:

     

    slashdot.org

    arstechnica.com

    penny-arcade.com

     

    I got a chuckle out of this - because what's the first thing you see on slashdot with adblock disabled?  A pair of flashy WoW ads.  Heck, even one of the ads that displays here at the bottom of forums displays as the header on slashdot.

    Arstechnica has a flashy banner ad in their header and an annoying eBay animated huge square over to the right.

    Penny-Arcade's sporting the GW2 ad from here in their header and has another animated skybox WoW ad in the right column.

    So I can't see complaining about animation heavy ads when the three sites you listed are also displaying animation heavy ads (in two of the three cases, the same ads as here).

    If you turn adblock off, it adds four ads to the main page.  It adds five ads to the real time forum page.  It adds four ads to the post page.

    Turn it off on PA, it adds 5 ads on the front page.  Ars adds at least 3 (it's hard to tell, because everything looks like an ad on that site).  SD adds 5 ads on the front page.

    So yeah, while I can understand not liking the full background image ad - I still had to get a chuckle out of the three sites you offered up as doing it better...

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  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon

    I been on this site for a good long time. I got to say I never used an add block software.  Some of the adds I actually found interesting.  However 15% of them I find offending, like all the soft core porn adds that look like half clothed teen girls for promoting a game, and then you got the adds that have so much flashing on them it is almost enough to set off a seizure.

    Now that being said, I usually overlook the adds to get down to the meat and bones of this site and that is the forums.  I learned that 90% of the columns and videos show so much bias to certain games it is not funny. I learned who I can trust for a review, and who I cant trust while watching a video. Some days wondering why some of these columnist even get paid as you can go to youtube and watch the reviews or facebook pages and get the same content they get paid for on this site for free, seams like one columnist got canned for doing the same thing in the past, but now its promoted that way.  

    Now I read down through what 13 pages of bull hockey, and I will call it that.  I seen threats back and forth from user after user, but you know what I not see one person named user deleted yet on any of them.  So to all those making threats not come here, go ahead and and delete your account, you might as well as you lost all credibility if you don't.

    I will say this if I got to pay for this site, all bets are off. I hope they don't go that route as I come here on a daily basis. It would be a shame.

     

     

     

     

  • LithuanianLithuanian vilniusPosts: 205Member Uncommon

    Well, I see this banner as well - but having slow PC at work means I do disable every ad everywhere, be it news site or mmorpg.com. Slow PC is slow PC, my Firefox freezes sometimes on innocent news article (ctrl-alt-del helps...).So, I should either ignore mmorpg.com at work or browse it without ads.

    Staff may blame and curse me, but I choose a bit faster browsing without ads.

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member


    Originally posted by VirusDancer I got a chuckle out of this - because what's the first thing you see on slashdot with adblock disabled?  A pair of flashy WoW ads.  Heck, even one of the ads that displays here at the bottom of forums displays as the header on slashdot.

    Slashdot is also a fairly streamlined site, and the ads are located in non-obtrusive parts of the page. Yes, they have animated ads, but they aren't overpowering the actual content of the site. Also, as a side note, they give you the option of disabling ads if you contribute to the site with comments and mod points and such, so most of the time I still don't see ads.


    Arstechnica has a flashy banner ad in their header and an annoying eBay animated huge square over to the right.

    Ars Technica is arguably the worst of the sites I mentioned, especially after their last update a few months ago. That said, the ads are generally obvious, and not too cluttered. The page is pretty cluttered these days, but it's still much cleaner than this site's main page.


    Penny-Arcade's sporting the GW2 ad from here in their header and has another animated skybox WoW ad in the right column.

    Penny-Arcade is an example of a site being able to have the flashy banners if the rest of the site is designed with simplicity in mind. The actual content is straight-forward, and the ads are always in two locations. Sometimes they are distracting, but not in a way that keeps me from wanting to visit.


    So yeah, while I can understand not liking the full background image ad - I still had to get a chuckle out of the three sites you offered up as doing it better...

    On a side note, the full background ad they use here is completely blockable as well, so I only see it when they update it with an entirely new game, and in a new year, due to the image naming conventions they use. In all honestly, even the full page ad in the background never really bothered me much, and I only decided to block it after they pulled the big red banner trick today.

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  • IchmenIchmen Winnipeg, MBPosts: 1,228Member
    Originally posted by erictlewis

    I been on this site for a good long time. I got to say I never used an add block software.  Some of the adds I actually found interesting.  However 15% of them I find offending, like all the soft core porn adds that look like half clothed teen girls for promoting a game, and then you got the adds that have so much flashing on them it is almost enough to set off a seizure.

    Now that being said, I usually overlook the adds to get down to the meat and bones of this site and that is the forums.  I learned that 90% of the columns and videos show so much bias to certain games it is not funny. I learned who I can trust for a review, and who I cant trust while watching a video. Some days wondering why some of these columnist even get paid as you can go to youtube and watch the reviews or facebook pages and get the same content they get paid for on this site for free, seams like one columnist got canned for doing the same thing in the past, but now its promoted that way.  

    Now I read down through what 13 pages of bull hockey, and I will call it that.  I seen threats back and forth from user after user, but you know what I not see one person named user deleted yet on any of them.  So to all those making threats not come here, go ahead and and delete your account, you might as well as you lost all credibility if you don't.

    I will say this if I got to pay for this site, all bets are off. I hope they don't go that route as I come here on a daily basis. It would be a shame.

     

     

     

     

    what does deleting a persons account have to do with them whitelisting or not whitelisting a url in their ad blocking software?  

    people dont have to disable their account to stop using the site, all you do is manually logout of the site, and delete it from any bookmarks or set it to be disallowed on your pc browser. not hard to do, or simply logout, delete the url from save and never visit it again.  much like users do for games o-O

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  • SpaceflowerSpaceflower BorlPosts: 25Member
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Worstluck
    I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

    It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

    This is stupid. There are a myriad of reasons one run a AdBlocker. Most already mentioned here. Sure you can whitelist sites, but calling your visitors thief's is plain stupid. I went from pro- mmorpg to anti-  in 1second. so. Good Bye! I ain't staying on a site that, was it the CEO?,  accuses me of theft. If you are so desperate, find other ways of maintaining the site. But never ever accuse your visitors of being thief's.

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,590Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Ichmen
    Originally posted by erictlewis I been on this site for a good long time. I got to say I never used an add block software.  Some of the adds I actually found interesting.  However 15% of them I find offending, like all the soft core porn adds that look like half clothed teen girls for promoting a game, and then you got the adds that have so much flashing on them it is almost enough to set off a seizure. Now that being said, I usually overlook the adds to get down to the meat and bones of this site and that is the forums.  I learned that 90% of the columns and videos show so much bias to certain games it is not funny. I learned who I can trust for a review, and who I cant trust while watching a video. Some days wondering why some of these columnist even get paid as you can go to youtube and watch the reviews or facebook pages and get the same content they get paid for on this site for free, seams like one columnist got canned for doing the same thing in the past, but now its promoted that way.   Now I read down through what 13 pages of bull hockey, and I will call it that.  I seen threats back and forth from user after user, but you know what I not see one person named user deleted yet on any of them.  So to all those making threats not come here, go ahead and and delete your account, you might as well as you lost all credibility if you don't. I will say this if I got to pay for this site, all bets are off. I hope they don't go that route as I come here on a daily basis. It would be a shame.        
    what does deleting a persons account have to do with them whitelisting or not whitelisting a url in their ad blocking software?  

    people dont have to disable their account to stop using the site, all you do is manually logout of the site, and delete it from any bookmarks or set it to be disallowed on your pc browser. not hard to do, or simply logout, delete the url from save and never visit it again.  much like users do for games o-O


    Not to mention, why do any of us care if we lose credibility with him. WE lose credibility if we don't delete our accounts? That was a bit of a ridiculous thing to demand. He should set the example if that's how he feels.

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by Spaceflower
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Worstluck
    I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

    It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

    This is stupid. There are a myriad of reasons one run a AdBlocker. Most already mentioned here. Sure you can whitelist sites, but calling your visitors thief's is plain stupid. I went from pro- mmorpg to anti-  in 1second. so. Good Bye! I ain't staying on a site that, was it the CEO?,  accuses me of theft. If you are so desperate, find other ways of maintaining the site. But never ever accuse your visitors of being thief's.

    His comment definitely wasn't really well thought out, but I just chalked it up to a poor choice of words.  The fact is, I don't come here because I care about their content anyway.  Most of their writers are pretty bad, and obviously (hopefully) not actual journalist.

    I come here for the community, such as it is sometimes.

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  • Angier2758Angier2758 Mt. Prospect, ILPosts: 1,011Member
    Originally posted by Tardcore
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Worstluck
    I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

    It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

    And a site like yours shirivels up and dies if it does not have a committed community. Its very much a two way street.

    Might want to think hard about that before throwing around these kinds of accusations.

    You know if they don't do it they don't have a site.

    Unless you'd like to make a donation instead bro.

     

    (looks at the small flashy ads..omg the horror... [mod edit] 3 years on this site and never been hacked or lost account info...shut up security loop holes my arse)

  • LooneyLadLooneyLad KavadarciPosts: 13Member
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Worstluck
    I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

    It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

    I feel offended by your statement. In no way me visiting this site with adblock on or off is stealing your content, you do stand as a free site right ?

    On another notice if you sell ads by impression and not clicks, how does the client determines if their ad will be a success on your website ? Dont they use statistics like, website visits per day, month ? or site activity, site members ? I think they (the customer) know the risks that some ppl use adblockers and their ads wont be seen but still, i bet they have statistics that it will still be worth it based on some other stats.

  • bingbongbrosbingbongbros Vista, CAPosts: 650Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Angier2758
    Originally posted by Tardcore
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Worstluck
    I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

    It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

    And a site like yours shirivels up and dies if it does not have a committed community. Its very much a two way street.

    Might want to think hard about that before throwing around these kinds of accusations.

    You know if they don't do it they don't have a site.

    Unless you'd like to make a donation instead bro.

     

    (looks at the small flashy ads..omg the horror... seriously stop being douches and grow up.... 3 years on this site and never been hacked or lost account info...shut up security loop holes my arse)

    lol how do i adblock your signature?

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  • SinakuSinaku Austin, TXPosts: 481Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Admin

    Originally posted by Worstluck I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?
    It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.
    I feel as if this is over dramatized comment. I whitelisted you guys a long time ago but blocked ads again just to see this banner. Ouch, this hurts my eyes worse than any banner I've seen.
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,590Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Angier2758
    Originally posted by Tardcore Originally posted by Admin Originally posted by Worstluck I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?
    It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.
    And a site like yours shirivels up and dies if it does not have a committed community. Its very much a two way street. Might want to think hard about that before throwing around these kinds of accusations.
    You know if they don't do it they don't have a site.

    Unless you'd like to make a donation instead bro.


    If they don't do what? Advertise? Or call the community here a bunch of thieving pirates? Which one are you referring to? I think we all get that the site needs advertisers. But I'm pretty sure Tardcore was more or less responding to the part about us being called pirates by the site admins. Sorry, but I'm also taking offense to that one myself.

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by bingbongbros
    Originally posted by Angier2758
    Originally posted by Tardcore
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Worstluck
    I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

    It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

    And a site like yours shirivels up and dies if it does not have a committed community. Its very much a two way street.

    Might want to think hard about that before throwing around these kinds of accusations.

    You know if they don't do it they don't have a site.

    Unless you'd like to make a donation instead bro.

     

    (looks at the small flashy ads..omg the horror... seriously stop being douches and grow up.... 3 years on this site and never been hacked or lost account info...shut up security loop holes my arse)

    lol how do i adblock your signature?

    Funny thing is, I actually did adblock his sig, lol.

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  • FoomerangFoomerang Portland, ORPosts: 5,565Member Uncommon

    Ad Blocker stays. Couldnt care less about the news articles. They are usually a day late and offer no new insight. The opinion pieces are basically advertisements anyway. Forums are a good trash novel, guilty pleasure lol. There are some really cool posters here and I'll miss them if the forums close but life goes on.

    Didnt read all the replies but fwiw, you can rt click the big red banner of doom and get rid of it permanently in the settings.

  • tomato_kwantomato_kwan calgary, ABPosts: 44Member

    Accusing me stealing and comparing me with pirates cause me to start using adblock.

    Good PR job there, CEO.

     

    (I even used to click on your ads once a while.)

     

    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Worstluck
    I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

    It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

    Originally posted by Spaceflower
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Worstluck
    I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

    It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

    This is stupid. There are a myriad of reasons one run a AdBlocker. Most already mentioned here. Sure you can whitelist sites, but calling your visitors thief's is plain stupid. I went from pro- mmorpg to anti-  in 1second. so. Good Bye! I ain't staying on a site that, was it the CEO?,  accuses me of theft. If you are so desperate, find other ways of maintaining the site. But never ever accuse your visitors of being thief's.

  • EricDanieEricDanie Rio de JaneiroPosts: 2,238Member

    The ads here are really not bad, the layout seems fine to me. I haven't felt the need to use adblockers lately for any website I visit.

    Anyway, you should really considering offering some kind of monetized ad-free experience, it gives people an option if they wish to continue adblocking but still want to support the website.

    Just don't make it a P2W system with forum PvP gear or stats :)

    I wish people in this forum would be sensible when posting the same way they feel hurt by the Admin's post, it would make these forums a far better place for discussions.

  • saurus123saurus123 nonePosts: 570Member Uncommon

    no way im gonna remove addblocker

     

    you better remove that stupid red bar

  • ZezdaZezda Posts: 685Member Uncommon

    I might have contemplated whitelisting the site but the security of my PC comes first and then for you to more or less call us thieves and pirates pretty much sealed the deal. So now not only am I still running my adblock but I just blocked your banner as well.

    Figure out some other way of making money from us.

  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Sioux City, IAPosts: 3,828Member


    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    I'm sorry, unblocking ads is simply not an option for me. To many issues can arise due to these flash ads. My computers safety is saddly a great deal more important to me. If it costs me this site, so be it :( 
    And the other 1,835,365 members of this site will all go down in flames because of the "bad ads". Get a grip.

    This is a terrible excuse for the "give it to me free" mindset. You can whitelist MMORPG in your ad blocking software, like Mike suggested. Still works to give all your other free sites advertisement free.

    Truly, if your computer's safety was so prominent in your mind, you would not be on the internet at all. Who knows where the next virus will come from?

    I have been on this site since 2006. NEVER in my time here have I received a virus from MMORPG. Will it happen? It could. It could also happen from ANY website one visits.

    I am sorry for my tone in this, but I am sick of people expecting websites to operate for free when they know very well that cannot happen without ads. These ads specifically are banner ads. They do not pop-up, pop-under, or redirect you to a totally different site. They are not 30 second videos one has to sit through in order to get to the site. They are not intrusive ads that scroll with your screen.

    Also, they are strictly MMO ads. There are no viagra, political, accounting software, or porn site ads on here. If one cannot "afford" to ignore the ads without blocking them, you shouldn't be here. After all, this is what it really boils down to.

    If one is so concerned with "bad ads" messing up their computer, please visit only those sites where you pay a premium for it, with no ads allowed. Otherwise, I call bullshit. You like thinking you are "getting one over" with your ad blocking software.

    - Al

    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
    - FARGIN_WAR

  • RamadarRamadar Bara Dur, ILPosts: 167Member
    You know we see ad's everyday and I'm sick to death of merchant's trying to lure me into buying more of their shit if I can block commercial's on my TV I'd do it in a heart beat if this is how you make your money to keep this site going then....oh well.

    Evil will always triumph because good is dumb....

  • asmkm22asmkm22 Anchorage, AKPosts: 1,788Member
    Originally posted by Ramadar
    You know we see ad's everyday and I'm sick to death of merchant's trying to lure me into buying more of their shit if I can block commercial's on my TV I'd do it in a heart beat if this is how you make your money to keep this site going then....oh well.

    The internet routes around damage.  It's both a technical attribute, and a metaphorical one.  If this site dies in a fire because they can't make enough money to fly out to game conventions and stuff, the community will go to a site that does.  It's pretty simple.

    You make me like charity

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