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  • TorlukTorluk EdinburghPosts: 162Member
    Originally posted by 3-4thElf
    Originally posted by Torluk
    Originally posted by 3-4thElf
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by 3-4thElf
    Originally posted by jacklo
    Originally posted by 3-4thElf
    Originally posted by stringboi

    I'm trying really hard to be okay with whitelisting you guys, but the flashing and what not of the ads are really annoying. ...

    ...

    You're missing the point :)

    ...

    I think I'm being helpful to the MMORPG.com staff by politely declining to stop ABP, an app I consider a protective service rather than a revenue stealing bad guy.

    You are 100% wrong.  ....

    I have written hundreds of emails to game companies explaining our policy to them as we get approached with some "wink wink" kind of offers and I tell them to try our competitors out - we don't play that way.

    I'll take you at your word for it. But this seems overly defensive now and makes me a tad more suspicious. 

    I'm serious about making all of this feedback about "trust" from other users and I and making something educational out of it. 

    "Trust us." Is the least trustworthy statement anyone can say.

    If these guys were really in it for the money I think there are better ways they could do it.  Seems to me like they are gamers that love working in a game related field.  If I was genuinely worried about declining revenue in my business, I hope I'd be forgiven for being a bit defensive too.

    Did you see the red bar at the top of the site?

    The money is important.

    I'm not accusing them of being greedy. 

    I am saying that it's not a great tactic, and in this industry it's better to innovate than to beg.

    I was just referring to the bit where you said: "Trust us." Is the least trustworthy statement anyone can say.

    I could have edited the quoted section to make that clearer, sorry chap.  I know you said you accept his word but you cast doubt on it at the same time, I think he is genuine for the reasons I stated in my last post.

  • YalexyYalexy BerlinPosts: 1,053Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Admin

    Originally posted by Yalexy Seriously, can you please give me an answer for who can be held responsible if the currently blocked ads and javascripts cause any damage to my system? That's the third time I'm asking in this thread.
    Of course we cannot take responsibiliy or guarantee that something bad could not happen.  Do we take every precaution we can?  Yes.  

    Such as Amazon does not guarantee a hacker won't get your personal information or your local government does not guarantee your house will not be broken into.  MS or Apple does not guarantee that their OS is 100% hacker proof...this is just the way the tech world is.  Bad people are out there doing bad things and all we can do is our best to stop them.

    In all of our time online we had one incident where a SWF (Flash) banner had malware.  It was delivered from a general network (what we show when we don't have an internal ad campaign).  We shut it off immediately and we stopped using that network and posted a notice to our users.  Adobe shortly after fixed the hole in Flash that allowed this exploit.


    Thanks for the answer.

    Let me say, that I do everything I can to make my system as safe as possible, and if it's me who has to take care of it, then I'll have to block everything I possibly can, without loosing functionality otoh, and that includes blocking any ads I'm afraid of.

    Oh, and I don't care if hackers steal any database-records in the internets, as I've not given out any information about my adress or bank-accounts to anyone.
    And robbers will have a good time breaking into my house aswell. If they make it past the fence, they'll be greeted by my two Dobermans :)

    Yes, I'm just that paranoid :p

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,596Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Yalexy Seriously, can you please give me an answer for who can be held responsible if the currently blocked ads and javascripts cause any damage to my system? That's the third time I'm asking in this thread.
    Of course we cannot take responsibiliy or guarantee that something bad could not happen.  Do we take every precaution we can?  Yes.  

    Such as Amazon does not guarantee a hacker won't get your personal information or your local government does not guarantee your house will not be broken into.  MS or Apple does not guarantee that their OS is 100% hacker proof...this is just the way the tech world is.  Bad people are out there doing bad things and all we can do is our best to stop them.

    In all of our time online we had one incident where a SWF (Flash) banner had malware.  It was delivered from a general network (what we show when we don't have an internal ad campaign).  We shut it off immediately and we stopped using that network and posted a notice to our users.  Adobe shortly after fixed the hole in Flash that allowed this exploit.


    And this is why we run anti malware

    I trust MMORPG's intentions. But unfortunately, it only takes one miss. And someone's gonna have issue on their PC.

  • StizzledStizzled Springfield, MOPosts: 1,264Member Uncommon
    Sorry guys, I tried, but I just can't do it. If 90% of your ads weren't flash ads it wouldn't be a problem. As it is, with three MoP ads right next to each other all running and four flash ads on each forum page, I just can't do it. Call me a pirate if you will, say I'm ruining the "free internet", but my adblocker goes back on. I'd rather deal with the giant red banner than your ridiculous flash ads.


  • ZetsueiZetsuei Dana, KYPosts: 252Member
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

     


    Originally posted by Admin

    Originally posted by Yalexy Seriously, can you please give me an answer for who can be held responsible if the currently blocked ads and javascripts cause any damage to my system? That's the third time I'm asking in this thread.
    Of course we cannot take responsibiliy or guarantee that something bad could not happen.  Do we take every precaution we can?  Yes.  

     

    Such as Amazon does not guarantee a hacker won't get your personal information or your local government does not guarantee your house will not be broken into.  MS or Apple does not guarantee that their OS is 100% hacker proof...this is just the way the tech world is.  Bad people are out there doing bad things and all we can do is our best to stop them.

    In all of our time online we had one incident where a SWF (Flash) banner had malware.  It was delivered from a general network (what we show when we don't have an internal ad campaign).  We shut it off immediately and we stopped using that network and posted a notice to our users.  Adobe shortly after fixed the hole in Flash that allowed this exploit.


     

    And this is why we run anti malware

    I trust MMORPG's intentions. But unfortunately, it only takes one miss. And someone's gonna have issue on their PC.

    This is what I'm leaning toward. All the flashing ads and sounds are annoying, but the safety of my computer and my information is my priority. Like others said, let us donate and have all this removed. No one enjoys ads, we would rather pay money to not see them.

    This site is a great place, and I want it to stay around. So give us options to keep it alive.

  • IchmenIchmen Winnipeg, MBPosts: 1,228Member

    i will say this.. the red bar at the top of the page is really really @$@#4 annoying. everytime i refresh the forums the page drops down.. while its great you are telling me you detect my adblocker and would like me to whitelist you... surely there is a better way to go about it then that huge bar that continues to drop my page down..  everytime i load the forums i wind up clicking on search or the guilds page instead of "next page" as the forum section loads, then the red bar drops the screen as i click...

     

    are there no other means to generate rev via ads then the current ad-bars? as i still recall the adult ads mmorpg ran for a few hours awhile back when one of their "great" ad providers decided mmorpg was a site that needed that sort of .... ad type..

    surely there is a way to create a "ad" based section on the site for people to browse ad links (that are safe) to generate rev ? while im not sure how mmorpg is setup internally. i cant see why it wouldnt be possible to make a section users can go, to receive ads for things (related to games....) that wont require people to disable their adblockers or risk possible malware infecting their computers. 

     

    i was under the impression opening an account on mmorpg saved users having to deal with a majority of the ads.  i know gamespot used to do it like that years ago,  any Anon user had ad spam but logged accounts had little or no ad spam. (ads were super limited or non-existant)

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  • RoyalPhunkRoyalPhunk Vancouver, BCPosts: 174Member
    Blocked your giant red banner. Ask nicer next time k thx bai.
  • AdminAdmin Santa Fe, NMPosts: 5,035Administrator Common
    Originally posted by Hokie
    Originally posted by Admin

    The Admin account is not anonymous.  I am Craig McGregor the President/CEO of the company and the co-owner and founder of the site.  

    The trend in AdBlock is concerning for me, not just on our site here, but on the Internet as a whole.  It is a growing problem and I feel it will eventually lead to the end of the "free Internet" that we all know and love.  If sites cannot stay afloat from advertising sales they have few options left: a) start charging for access to content b) start doing really unethical tihngs like Advertorial content c) syndicate into large networks with pay access like Cable TV "packages".  Personally I like the advertising model both as a site operator and as a user of hundreds of free websites.

    I'd like to comment on this.

    Well first let me say I been a memeber here a very, very long time, I think I was a luker for over a year before I even created my account. Hell I remember when the games list was displayed on the front page down the right hand side of the screen and there was like seven on them. Im afraid to click the games list tab now because it takes like 5 minutes to load them all. ;)

    I come here damn near every day, two to three times a day. Ive gotten so much out of this site from the Features to the Videos to the Columnists to the stupid, informative, funny, insulting posts from this community; you guys will always be on my "white list".

    Happy to help.

    And you know what else,

    Thanks for the 8 (9) years Ive had here.

     

    Now enough asskissing, about that post.

     

    You make it sound that we the consumers are the problem, when really, and by your own admission, is the advertisers that have driven "us" to use ad blocking programs.

    Its kind of like the argument that spam somehow kept the cost of whatever they were peddling down. No it just annoyed the f**k out of us, and increased their profits by exposing more people to it.

    So if these companies are losing revenue its because they are annoying the f**k out of us the consumer and forcing us to block their products.

     

    Now Ive never had a problem with the ads on this site, course I didnt know you pre-filtered them. So I guess I have to kiss your ass just a little bit more and say thanks again.

    So thanks, again. :)

    But its totally unfair to blame us for the problem and the direction the "free" internet maybe heading. We're not the problem and neither is the ad block software.

     

    Great post Hokie.  I think like most things in the world all parties will be sharing in the blame.  Advertisers, publishers like us, people making apps like AdBlock and users that use them.  We will all play our role I am sure.  None of these things exist without the other.  I do feel based on what I have seen personally over the time running this site is the free Internet will eventually die - blame who you want, I am sure there will be fingers pointing all over the place ;-)

     

    - MMORPG.COM Staff -

  • someforumguysomeforumguy HomePosts: 3,542Member Uncommon

    I started using Adblock because of this website. I never did mind advertising on websites. But I surf websites on my linux pc. Flash+linux has had always performance issues and with the website already as slow as it is, the ads made it even a lot slower. So when using Adblock Plus, I get a lot less stalls because of ridiculously bloated flash.

    So I don't mind ads in general, but I do mind ads on an already slow website that slows the website even more down.

  • StizzledStizzled Springfield, MOPosts: 1,264Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by someforumguy

    I started using Adblock because of this website. I never did mind advertising on websites. But I surf websites on my linux pc. Flash+linux has had always performance issues and with the website already as slow as it is, the ads made it even a lot slower. So when using Adblock Plus, I get a lot less stalls because of ridiculously bloated flash.

    So I don't mind ads in general, but I do mind ads on an already slow website that slows the website even more down.

    Same here, I'm not using Linux but there's a noticable difference in load speeds without adblock running. I have no problem with ads, and I've been known to click on them from time to time, but these attention grabbing flash ads are the worst. I think that quite a few members would have no problem turing off their ad blocker if MMORPG.com dumped the flash ads and stuck to static images, I know I would.


  • AdminAdmin Santa Fe, NMPosts: 5,035Administrator Common
    Originally posted by Stizzled
    Originally posted by someforumguy

    I started using Adblock because of this website. I never did mind advertising on websites. But I surf websites on my linux pc. Flash+linux has had always performance issues and with the website already as slow as it is, the ads made it even a lot slower. So when using Adblock Plus, I get a lot less stalls because of ridiculously bloated flash.

    So I don't mind ads in general, but I do mind ads on an already slow website that slows the website even more down.

    Same here, I'm not using Linux but there's a noticable difference in load speeds without adblock running. I have no problem with ads, and I've been known to click on them from time to time, but these attention grabbing flash ads are the worst. I think that quite a few members would have no problem turing off their ad blocker if MMORPG.com dumped the flash ads and stuck to static images, I know I would.

    Unfortunately if you don't run flash ads in the gaming world you don't sell any ads.  It is all advertisers want to run anymore.  The funny thing is that most of my data has always shown that users click more on JPG banners that SWF ones - and  I have told many advertisers this just to be ignored.

    If we said no to flash ads we would be closing our doors in 60 days - end of story. :(

    - MMORPG.COM Staff -

  • stratasaurusstratasaurus Seattle, WAPosts: 220Member
    I love how all the asses on here are fine with using the forums that other people spent lots of time and money to create, and read all the articles and columns that people have poured themselves into and then get all pissy about having to look at a ad, no monthly thing to pay, noone even asking you to the click the ad, just have it there and then have the balls to say that they don't need this site cause this information is somewhere else.  You guys are total d-berries and I hope someone comes along and steals the crap you have worked so hard for.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,784Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    I didn't see any mention on the ad policy of the text underline ads like Kontera or IntelliTXT.  I block those because they make a site basically unusable, but if you're not using them anyway, it would be good to say so on the ad policy page.

     

    We currently don't do these kinds of ads but are looking at doing it for users that are not logged in the forums as a way to try and compensate for what we are losing with ad blocking.  It is not solid yet but I did not want us to say we did not do this then turn around and do it next month.

    As far as obnoxious ads go, the "mouseover covers up what you were reading" ads are worse than most other types.  It's not as bad as malware or things that completely break the site (i.e., prevent the real content from displaying at all), and probably not as bad as auto-play audio, but worse than anything else I've seen.

    I guess that what you have to do is dictated some by what advertisers will pay for.  If all they'll buy is ads that prevent users from reading text, then you do what you have to do.  But if you do go that route, then you should expect to quickly lose a large fraction of the users who haven't figured out how to block them.  I don't block most ads, but I draw the line at the mouseover ads, because those make a site nearly unusable.

  • IchmenIchmen Winnipeg, MBPosts: 1,228Member
    Originally posted by stratasaurus
    I love how all the asses on here are fine with using the forums that other people spent lots of time and money to create, and read all the articles and columns that people have poured themselves into and then get all pissy about having to look at a ad, no monthly thing to pay, noone even asking you to the click the ad, just have it there and then have the balls to say that they don't need this site cause this information is somewhere else.  You guys are total d-berries and I hope someone comes along and steals the crap you have worked so hard for.

    a majority of people are not upset about ads, its that a majority of ads are full of malice code that can hyjack your browser or corrupt your pc (aka viruses)  that many tend to disable such things.  i have no problem with ads being used, i would just like some other means to have the ads on mmorpg then me having to disable my adblocker.  flash/java ads are extremely annoying and distracting 99.99% of the time.  other ads are just out right stupid.. 

    if im on a gaming site why am i getting adult ads or car ads.. that sort of thing. i personally would rather not go to bed just to find out i got some major worm virus off mmorpg's ad bars because one of their providers got hacked/hyjacked and the code inputted. 

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  • AdminAdmin Santa Fe, NMPosts: 5,035Administrator Common
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    I didn't see any mention on the ad policy of the text underline ads like Kontera or IntelliTXT.  I block those because they make a site basically unusable, but if you're not using them anyway, it would be good to say so on the ad policy page.

     

    We currently don't do these kinds of ads but are looking at doing it for users that are not logged in the forums as a way to try and compensate for what we are losing with ad blocking.  It is not solid yet but I did not want us to say we did not do this then turn around and do it next month.

    As far as obnoxious ads go, the "mouseover covers up what you were reading" ads are worse than most other types.  It's not as bad as malware or things that completely break the site (i.e., prevent the real content from displaying at all), and probably not as bad as auto-play audio, but worse than anything else I've seen.

    I guess that what you have to do is dictated some by what advertisers will pay for.  If all they'll buy is ads that prevent users from reading text, then you do what you have to do.  But if you do go that route, then you should expect to quickly lose a large fraction of the users who haven't figured out how to block them.  I don't block most ads, but I draw the line at the mouseover ads, because those make a site nearly unusable.

    I hate contexual ads too.  This is why if we use them it will only be showing up for users that are not logged in.  Again, we are just trying to adapt to an ever changing landscape.

    - MMORPG.COM Staff -

  • stratasaurusstratasaurus Seattle, WAPosts: 220Member
    Originally posted by Ichmen
    Originally posted by stratasaurus
    I love how all the asses on here are fine with using the forums that other people spent lots of time and money to create, and read all the articles and columns that people have poured themselves into and then get all pissy about having to look at a ad, no monthly thing to pay, noone even asking you to the click the ad, just have it there and then have the balls to say that they don't need this site cause this information is somewhere else.  You guys are total d-berries and I hope someone comes along and steals the crap you have worked so hard for.

    a majority of people are not upset about ads, its that a majority of ads are full of malice code that can hyjack your browser or corrupt your pc (aka viruses)  that many tend to disable such things.  i have no problem with ads being used, i would just like some other means to have the ads on mmorpg then me having to disable my adblocker.  flash/java ads are extremely annoying and distracting 99.99% of the time.  other ads are just out right stupid.. 

    if im on a gaming site why am i getting adult ads or car ads.. that sort of thing. i personally would rather not go to bed just to find out i got some major worm virus off mmorpg's ad bars because one of their providers got hacked/hyjacked and the code inputted. 

    You can sugar coat it all you want fact of the matter is it has been explained that this is how this site is able to be and by using it without supporting that you are expecting others to pay for what you are taking for free, thats the fact of it period.

  • tabindextabindex Rancho Cucamonga, CAPosts: 70Member

    I'll click the ads more often from now on.  I know it has no impact on the site's bottom line, but privately to me it feels like I'm "sticking it" to these high horse riders that are easily distracted by flashing lights, and thus, block ads.

  • IchmenIchmen Winnipeg, MBPosts: 1,228Member
    Originally posted by stratasaurus
    Originally posted by Ichmen
    Originally posted by stratasaurus
    I love how all the asses on here are fine with using the forums that other people spent lots of time and money to create, and read all the articles and columns that people have poured themselves into and then get all pissy about having to look at a ad, no monthly thing to pay, noone even asking you to the click the ad, just have it there and then have the balls to say that they don't need this site cause this information is somewhere else.  You guys are total d-berries and I hope someone comes along and steals the crap you have worked so hard for.

    a majority of people are not upset about ads, its that a majority of ads are full of malice code that can hyjack your browser or corrupt your pc (aka viruses)  that many tend to disable such things.  i have no problem with ads being used, i would just like some other means to have the ads on mmorpg then me having to disable my adblocker.  flash/java ads are extremely annoying and distracting 99.99% of the time.  other ads are just out right stupid.. 

    if im on a gaming site why am i getting adult ads or car ads.. that sort of thing. i personally would rather not go to bed just to find out i got some major worm virus off mmorpg's ad bars because one of their providers got hacked/hyjacked and the code inputted. 

    You can sugar coat it all you want fact of the matter is it has been explained that this is how this site is able to be and by using it without supporting that you are expecting others to pay for what you are taking for free, thats the fact of it period.

    actually you are wrong, as i have said. i have no problem with the ads, provided there is a means for mmorpg to run them that does not require me to modify my adblocker. if there is a section for ads to be displayed where i wont risk a ninja download of viruses then fine.  but the fact remains  i use my adblock to block the ads i do not wish to see, namely the ads i get spammed on youtube and facebook. i have be hit by malice adware before hence why i am apprehensive of allowing it the chance to infect me again.

     i have no plans to whitelist mmorpg's ads until there is either a gurentee that i will not recieve any malice code from them on their site, or there is a section create that has all their ads displayed that have all  be fully tested and proven clean. 

    i take my personal infomation and pc security very seriously. i am not expecting people to pay for any of the content i view nor do i ask anyone to. 

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  • NilenyaNilenya TMIPosts: 364Member Uncommon

    No I wont whitelist you, simply because I dont like or support the majority of the companies you advert ( I dont worry about any malicious code in your adverts, Im 100% certain you check those things and run a tight ship) But I loathe alot of the advert content. I would also gladly remove the background adverts if I could. I have once or twice accidently clicked them and ended up in some terrispace of f2p korean crapspazm.

    However, I would, in a second, purchase a premium membership to the tune of whatever you guys calculate you are losing pr user with adblock on, pr month. - I think that is fair.  

  • YalexyYalexy BerlinPosts: 1,053Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by stratasaurus

    Originally posted by Ichmen

    Originally posted by stratasaurus I love how all the asses on here are fine with using the forums that other people spent lots of time and money to create, and read all the articles and columns that people have poured themselves into and then get all pissy about having to look at a ad, no monthly thing to pay, noone even asking you to the click the ad, just have it there and then have the balls to say that they don't need this site cause this information is somewhere else.  You guys are total d-berries and I hope someone comes along and steals the crap you have worked so hard for.
    a majority of people are not upset about ads, its that a majority of ads are full of malice code that can hyjack your browser or corrupt your pc (aka viruses)  that many tend to disable such things.  i have no problem with ads being used, i would just like some other means to have the ads on mmorpg then me having to disable my adblocker.  flash/java ads are extremely annoying and distracting 99.99% of the time.  other ads are just out right stupid..  if im on a gaming site why am i getting adult ads or car ads.. that sort of thing. i personally would rather not go to bed just to find out i got some major worm virus off mmorpg's ad bars because one of their providers got hacked/hyjacked and the code inputted. 
    You can sugar coat it all you want fact of the matter is it has been explained that this is how this site is able to be and by using it without supporting that you are expecting others to pay for what you are taking for free, thats the fact of it period.

    There's solutions other then ads to handle the financial stuff for sites that provide interesting content for the users.

    Micropayments via Flattr or PayPal, where users/subscribers, who don't want ads can pay a few cents every month is the way to go.
    Let's say some 25 cents per month for example. With your favourite 10 websites all using this model it would be a lousy $2.50 per month, and the quality of content and the users would be way better this way aswell actually.

    With 25 cents per user and posibly some 100k users willing to pay that little amount of money, we're allready looking at $25k per month. Some $1500 per employee and $10k for the servers and bandwith paid per month this way.

    And I actually happen to know websites driven by a single person with a few hundred followers paying their costs by using the service of Flattr. So this is no science fiction really, but a system proven to be working.

    The problem with subscriptions for websites arises only, if the people running them get greedy and demand a few dollars each month.

  • IchmenIchmen Winnipeg, MBPosts: 1,228Member

    drawback to a subscription based system (a pure system anyway) is that not everyone will/can pay for the subscription. there are alot of sites that use a "premium model" while i like the freemode of mmorpg, i honestly dont know if i personally would pay a subscription to it. even at 0.01 cent a day it would depend on my personal views on that.  and im sure many others would simply not bother.  (which is why we have p2p/b2p/f2p games)

    i guess it would depend on how its setup though.  im just not sure if id personally pay X amount a month for a website. i dont buy a sub for gamespot for that very reason, i just dont know if ill use the products provided to feel i got my money's worth. 

    thats why i wouldnt mind seeing an ad section on the site that people can go to, to basicly click/view/pick their nose of the ad bars provided to mmorpg and there by generate increased income.

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  • bingbongbrosbingbongbros Vista, CAPosts: 650Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by RocSek
    Originally posted by Admin
    Originally posted by Worstluck
    I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

    It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

    This is flat out wrong. If you want to "Stop people from stealing your content" then make all the infomation password protected, and charge people to access it. But to say we are stealing your content because we choose to block ads is ridiculous. And who ever typed this behind the anonymous "Admin" account should be fired.

    The Admin account is not anonymous.  I am Craig McGregor the President/CEO of the company and the co-owner and founder of the site.  

    The trend in AdBlock is concerning for me, not just on our site here, but on the Internet as a whole.  It is a growing problem and I feel it will eventually lead to the end of the "free Internet" that we all know and love.  If sites cannot stay afloat from advertising sales they have few options left: a) start charging for access to content b) start doing really unethical tihngs like Advertorial content c) syndicate into large networks with pay access like Cable TV "packages".  Personally I like the advertising model both as a site operator and as a user of hundreds of free websites.

    Wow, I wouldn't give a flying leap if you were the president of the entire flipping universe.  You don't make insulting accusations towards your fan base.  We don't buy anything here nor is anything requiring a subscription to view or reply too.  We are in no way shape or form stealing any of your precious loots by having a adblocker on.

     

    I've been using this site for a many many years for the forums. The articles are just there for looks to me.  I refuse to turn off my adblocker because my last computer I had got face stomped by viruses from websites that I trusted.  My computer's health is a billion times more important to me.

     

    Since you are the god of this site and you can't fire yourself, well you could but I doubt you will, you should really think hard on what you are going to type to a person who frequents this site before you press SUBMIT.

     

    shame on you craig

     

    EDIT: oh and adblockers arent the thing that is going to ruin the free internetz, things like SOPA and the new TTP are going to kill the internetz.

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  • DeathByCactusDeathByCactus Houston, TXPosts: 36Member

    The people in this thread are joking right? I've been running no ad blockers besides firefox basic & chrome with built in popup protection for years. No viruses, no mis-clicks, no hackers, no keyloggers, no problems. Total internet security does not require adblockers to run a squared away machine.

    Honestly, I am amazed that the staff at MMORPG works so hard with such a uncooperative group of people. A group of people well known to many other communities to steer clear of. Props to MMORPG.com, you have more patience and business ethic than I do.

    Then again, you can't expect people who do not understand advertising to be able to comprehend what you are asking of them without getting NWO responses.

    I won't be blocking your ads or anything elses in the name of internet security & fears of "damage to my machine." I am just baffled at some of the ridiculousness I just read. I had to stop, I can only take so much fear & ignorance in a certain period of time from others.

    Also, thanks for the beta key that I am not allowed to name.

  • VarkingVarking Winston-Salem, NCPosts: 433Member
    I have excluded my ad blocker from running and I even clicked an ad. At first I thought screw MMORPG.com I won't remove my ad blocker, but as often as I read this site I should generate some money for you all. Thank you for explaining the situation over the coarse of 13 pages. The initial posts had me upset, but I don't hold grudges. Thank you for all you do here.
  • UnfriendlyUnfriendly HvidovrePosts: 21Member
    Originally posted by Stizzled
    Sorry guys, I tried, but I just can't do it. If 90% of your ads weren't flash ads it wouldn't be a problem. As it is, with three MoP ads right next to each other all running and four flash ads on each forum page, I just can't do it. Call me a pirate if you will, say I'm ruining the "free internet", but my adblocker goes back on. I'd rather deal with the giant red banner than your ridiculous flash ads.

    This

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