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Originally posted by Derros Originally posted by MeGaTronPower Blizzard should show these games how its done son.
You mean, release a game, with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history, at a time when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting? Therefore establishing a momentious self perpetuating playerbase, which people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and hey, their friends and everyone else plays WoW anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality (minus D3) but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing that is impossible to replicate in the current market (saturated with titles), as it is quality, if not more so
^^ This. Hope you don't mind, took it for my sig.
Originally posted by MMOExposed did it really outsale them?
I think right now it's all speculation. It will happen, it just hasn't happend yet!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Originally posted by KingJiggly This is like expecting another (horrible) star wars movie coming out and beating the kings speech(a great movie). No fricken duh.
My guess is, a hundred years from now, when a list of the hundred greatest movies of all times comes out. Star Wars will be on it. The Kings Speech (Which I did enjoyed) probably won't.
Originally posted by Johnie-Marz Originally posted by KingJiggly This is like expecting another (horrible) star wars movie coming out and beating the kings speech(a great movie). No fricken duh.
Sadly your right. Just like what I will expect with this...
Originally posted by Enigmatus Maybe I'm just being overly snippy about this, but even if this game does outsell SWTOR and GW2 combined, it's still not going to be enough to make me want to come back.
That is a good point. I think for MoP to be successful it needs to bring new players to WoW, not just try to get old players to come back. Some old players will come back, but many have moved on.
Originally posted by Loktofeit Originally posted by Derros well, yea, arent there like 9-10 million people that NEED to buy the expantion to keep progressing, with another 2 million who might buy it to check out the new changes.
Agreed. If it doesn't outsell those two it would be an industry shocker.
9mil that need it to progress ofc its gonna outsell....whatever lol
Originally posted by CcDohl No surprise. WoW is a lot better than SWtOR and definitely a lot better than GW2. This just continues the story.
better than swtor yes
better than gw 2? nope but keep dreaming buddy
Originally posted by Nightgroper Well it is also releasing on the same date as DOA5, and that could cause some to pick that up instead. I know I will be.
1 dead or alive never was a system seller
2 its a console game
3 it wont sell even 500k both ps3-xbox combine.
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Originally posted by MeGaTronPower damn arena net must be jealous it took them a month to get 2.2 million copies sold, blizz can get that in 24 hours no sweat.
when guild wars 2 will be 8 year old re post that comment until then...well feel sry for ya
oO and btw arena net STOPED the distribution for a while
Originally posted by Clocksimus This is actually the least restrictive WoW expansion to date if I'm not mistaken. You don't need to buy MoP to get acess to panda? but you will get get their other zones or something like that? I don't play WoW clearly I don't know the details.
That is inconsequential. They still need to buy the expansion if they want to progress, or get stucked a couple of levels down and be ganking fodder if you are on a pvp server.
As other have said, if they outsale the previous expansions then I'll be impressed. You can't compare WoW's expansion sale with GW2 or Rift. For one, it is cheaper because it is an expansion. Two, they already have several million fanbase, while GW2 or Rift has to build that from scratch.
I also expected their development and production cost to be cheaper as well as they don't have to design everything for their game engine from scratch, so they will have a bigger margin of profit from it (which is also probably why they can afford all these TV ads).
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
It should do fairly well. A lot of users like the eastern motif, many people are in love with monks, and tons and TONS of young adults love the pokemon concept. Personally, I've never watched or seen more than a couple of minutes of pokemon in my life, but I have many friends in their early 20's who love it, and who are excited for that specific feaure in this game.
Scenarios look really fun, and eliminate a lot of the boredom while waiting for a dungeon pop for the DPS classes. Blizz did a great thing there releasing a feature that doesn't require a tank or a healer and also allows a certain amount of endgame progression. I'm also excited that all of my pets and mounts just became account bound instead of having to regrind them all with each character. Since a big portion of this expansion revolves around fighting minipets, I think this was a great move.
Originally posted by Clocksimus Originally posted by Derros well, yea, arent there like 9-10 million people that NEED to buy the expantion to keep progressing, with another 2 million who might buy it to check out the new changes.
This is actually the least restrictive WoW expansion to date if I'm not mistaken. You don't need to buy MoP to get acess to panda? but you will get get their other zones or something like that? I don't play WoW clearly I don't know the details.
Exactly. Of course as owner of 10 maxed out alts I have purchased MOP. :-) Start was great, as a whole, including of course shows on main cities, was a blast, only Blizzard is able to combine. But is true, more alternatives and decent games out there then anytime before. IMO, the are doing generally all good and well with few terrible exceptions great majority hate. Not sure if they can affort doing mistakes as once.
Originally posted by Derros well, yea, arent there like 9-10 million people that NEED to buy the expantion to keep progressing, with another 2 million who might buy it to check out the new changes.
It wont sell more the first week then Cata, fewer Wow players now than when Cata released.
But I expect it to sell rather impressive numbers still. Comparing them to the launch of another MMO as OP do is really unfair and out of content however. Wow been out and have gotten players for a long time, if you want to compare launch numbers you should compare them with Wows launch numbers.
TOR actually win there, but I have a feeling that when the first expansion comes out TBC will win the day by far. With GW2, hard to say.
Sales numbers do not make a game "better" than another. Since a person's opinion of a game is subjective, it is too difficult to define what a "better" game really is. All Blizzard can be proud of is their millions of addicted subscribers.
As for me, I put away my WoW habit long before expansions were an issue. I will continue to enjoy MMOs without playing what you may think is the "best" and I won't feel like I am missing anything.
So everyone including me expects MoP to outsell GW2 or SWTOR. No one will be surprised here.
But what if it doesn't? Oh boy the forums are going to go crazy!
Originally posted by Creslin321 Originally posted by cronius77 Originally posted by Creslin321 So to sum this thread up... WoW fan: OMG! MoP is going to outsell GW2 and SWTOR. HAHAHAH show um how it's done Bliz! You get um! GW2 fan: I wish you all the best and hope you enjoy your new expansion . WoW fan: Whatever! You are all just upset that your game has FAILED and people are jumping off the sinking ship! WoW foreva bro!!!! GW2 fan: Really ?
man get yourself into reality , ive seen way more of these gw2 trolls here trying to bait wow players on their forums then wow players. you have a guy rename himself kungfupanda2012 just for the sack of baiting people as hes stirring the pot in both sets of forums intentionally . You guys here just cannot stand any game that has an expansion or releases effecting GW2 . If its so great stop trying to bait everyone here and go enjoy gw2.
Maybe, I wouldn't be surprised, but just look at THIS thread .
I know that not all WoW fans are like this, but honestly, the folks in this thread are not representing the WoW community very well.
Good grief Creslin. What a load of baloney. If anything its the GW2 fans stirring the pot, including you with these inflammatory comments.
And this is coming from someone who dislikes WoW and GW2 equally
I've never ever seen so much mudslinging from any fanbase, GW2 fans take the cake on this one.
Originally posted by roo67 Its not looking good (I'm in WoW at the moment) for outsellling GW2 and SWTOR put together . MOP has just gone live .In the EU theres 18 high servers (some of which are locked) ,42 medium servers and the the rest are low . I remember far higher amounts of high status servers with the release of previous expansions . It may be better tomorrow given its quite late and lots of younger players are mostly likly in bed . So I guess still possible but my guess is it will fall short of Cata sales . Whats it like in North America ?
WoW has just in the past half year adjusted the regulations for server population tags downwards. Few weeks ago and another time midst of the year player several player from multiple server where surprised to find their low populated server with comparatively hardly anyone playing suddenly tagged as medium. It did happen on EU server. No clue about US server.
Full/High/Medium has no relevance for real total population values as long Blizzard can and does peg the ratings of WoW server down based on average population. Nowadays a full/high WoW server has less player than most if not all current medium populated GW2 server.
But Blizzard adjusting rating based on average is likely not a new occurence. Almost all regions worldwide, even those going through several servermerges always are very close to a balanced high /low ratio plus a majority medium of their servers, whether before or after the merges. Medium here might already be high in another region or opposite.
Even after the last 2 crappy expansions?...I think WoW is getting more lame as it goes on but thats just my opinion.