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  • XithrylXithryl Plantation, FLPosts: 256Member

    A patch for WoW was released the same day as Guild Wars 2 offical launch, and it changed the exe file name to launch WoW, I'd imagine this plus the launch of GW2 is why we see such a sharp dip. I do believe however that Xfire pushed out an update to correct its client to finding this new EXE file, but it still remains that the 64bit client does not work with Xfire. I personally have had to go out of my way to get Xfire to detect WoW I'm sure not everyone does the same.

    The game is either not detected at all, or it is and then crashses unless you disable in game, which I'm sure the majority of players will instead just close Xfire. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if even with the launch of Mists we don't see as big a spike as some are expecting. 

  • ShadoedShadoed BirminghamPosts: 1,499Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jackdog
    Originally posted by Shadoed
     

    Sorry, but i really had to chuckle at this one. You are going to stick hard to the 'fact' that GW2 stole all of these players from other games using x-fire stats, but completely ignore the same stats that show a 10k rise in hours for WoW (even with a broken client) as GW2 hours fell (meaning that WoW picked up about 25% of it's hours)???

    I don't beleive the stats either way, but had to laugh when you accused others of cherry picking stats to make their own argument and then post that.

    what 10K risse in WoW numbers ? Onl;y way you can get a tenK rise is to compare Aug 30 (which was a outlier even for WoW , a patch day ?) at 15K hours with last Sunday and Sunday is always the highh point for alll MMO 's

    Enjoy your cherry pie butr your staterent is just spin and no substance

    Absolutely, 100%, perfectly correct, it is a spin on the figures i wished to show in response to one of your earlier posts.

    Thank you for making my point for me, if you pick the right figures and put the right words behind them you can spin anything like a catherine wheel to try and make your argument! I am not the only person on here that has used those figures to try and make a point without any actual fact to back it up, the only difference is that i didn't expect anyone to take mine seriously.

    It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.

  • JackdogJackdog Charleston, SCPosts: 6,344Member
    Originally posted by XiThRyL

    A patch for WoW was released the same day as Guild Wars 2 offical launch, and it changed the exe file name to launch WoW,

    prety convenient time for it to break just at that time wouldn't you say? Seems to only have broken it for 60% of the users LOL

    WoW has been bleeding numbers for a couple of years which is to be expwected of a game whose core design is as old as WoW's is

    I miss DAoC

  • botrytisbotrytis In Flux, MIPosts: 2,567Member
    Originally posted by Jackdog
    Originally posted by botrytis

    In order to use X-fire as a judge of player population in ANY game, you need to know the % of players in the game using X-fire. If you don't the numbers are actually meaningless. The reason being, the population of X-fire users can go up and down in the game, it there are fewer players with it installed, it makes it look the game population is going down. As such, X-fire numbers are totally meaningless to use for population discussions.

     

    We can't say, right now, what is going on with the population. Only time will tell.

    not really , the percentage of users in any given game that use XFire will remaing relativly consatant in relation to that game so XFire is useful as a trending tool . Now I will grant you that on the short term XFire users may be more apt to try and new game then drop it but the fact stil remains that the drop in GW2's numbers during September have not cause any significant regain of numbers by the other main stream MMO's which all suffered a significant drop about the time GW2 released.

    I will also grant you that the numbers will be much more acccurate as far as a trend after the game has been out for a few months.

    You can't say that and don't know the numbers in game - therefore it is a crapshoot. You are assuming the numbers are the same but that may not be the case - example - I belong to a 100 person guild and NONE of us use X-fire at all. It is all about population statistics and we don't have enough information to say either way what is going on.

     

    We can hypothesize based on trends in other games, but not counting numbers from a program that who knows how many people use.

     

     

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  • JackdogJackdog Charleston, SCPosts: 6,344Member
    Originally posted by Shadoed
    Originally posted by Jackdog
    Originally posted by Shadoed
     

    Sorry, but i really had to chuckle at this one. You are going to stick hard to the 'fact' that GW2 stole all of these players from other games using x-fire stats, but completely ignore the same stats that show a 10k rise in hours for WoW (even with a broken client) as GW2 hours fell (meaning that WoW picked up about 25% of it's hours)???

    I don't beleive the stats either way, but had to laugh when you accused others of cherry picking stats to make their own argument and then post that.

    what 10K risse in WoW numbers ? Onl;y way you can get a tenK rise is to compare Aug 30 (which was a outlier even for WoW , a patch day ?) at 15K hours with last Sunday and Sunday is always the highh point for alll MMO 's

    Enjoy your cherry pie butr your staterent is just spin and no substance

    Absolutely, 100%, perfectly correct, it is a spin on the figures i wished to show in response to one of your earlier posts.

    Thank you for making my point for me, if you pick the right figures and put the right words behind them you can spin anything like a catherine wheel to try and make your argument! I am not the only person on here that has used those figures to try and make a point without any actual fact to back it up, the only difference is that i didn't expect anyone to take mine seriously.

    What is your point exactly , I have always compared same days of the week when looking at XFire numbers, you make a false statement and call you on it and you are thanking me for pointng out the spin. That's as funny as the patch ate my

    I miss DAoC

  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jackdog
    Originally posted by krakra70

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    It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

     

    stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

     Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

      and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't played wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon

     

     bah double post :P

  • halflife25halflife25 Toronto, ONPosts: 737Member
    Originally posted by winter
    Originally posted by Jackdog
    Originally posted by krakra70

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    It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

     

    stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

     Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

      and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

    Yeah even i don't get this menality. As if mmo players only jump between WOW and GW2 or other couple of MMOS in XFIRE. What are the chances they are not playing any MMO and just sticking to single player games or not playing anything at all.

    And i already covered 'MOP is for kids' comment and i don't think it is even worth discussing especially when such comments are made by GW2 fans. Irony at its best. I agree with you 100%.

  • KareliaKarelia HeraklionPosts: 668Member
    Originally posted by winter
    Originally posted by Jackdog
    Originally posted by krakra70

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    It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

     

    stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

     Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

      and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't played wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

    except asura, check the 2 legendary bows at gw2 and you ll see what  really meens kiddie

  • JackdogJackdog Charleston, SCPosts: 6,344Member
    Originally posted by winter
    Originally posted by Jackdog
    Originally posted by krakra70

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    It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

     

    stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

     Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

      and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

    that stil does not account for the 25% etc loss the other MMO's have taken with GW2's launch, even account for the patch ate 60% of my Xfire excuse of WoW.

    On the Panda thing it is how many people will resub just to play a panda or level a monk class toon from scratch in some other race, or grind out 5 more levels on their old toons so they can jump back onto the raid hampster wheel? Not sure how big the zone is for the explorer types and how long it would hold anyones interest but that would be the other factor.

    I know some will but how many and for how long is the question. I saw population increases in my other games from a expac. DAoC, LoTRO etc but those bumps were temprary at best and the games were soon lower in pop than they were before the xpac

    I miss DAoC

  • GhavriggGhavrigg Halifax, NSPosts: 777Member Uncommon

    Latest shits given? 0.

    X-fire is useless.

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common

    i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

     

    GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

  • JackdogJackdog Charleston, SCPosts: 6,344Member
    Originally posted by Nadia

    i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

     

    GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

    good point. I know I will finish leveling my mid level toons in SWToR on days when I feel Star Warsy

    I miss DAoC

  • PivotelitePivotelite Hamilton, ONPosts: 2,167Member

    I do find it slightly alarming that the average playtime has almost been cut in half.

     

     

    We will judge what this weekend peak is and base it from there...

     

    First weekend peak - 93,000

     

    Second weekend peak - 79,000

     

    Third weekend peak - 69,000

     

    Today - 44,000

     

    Fourth weekend peak - ????

     

    Todays numbers are setting up for a pretty big drop, I don't see the pace of decline slowing down, which is unfortunate.

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  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Nadia

    i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

     

    GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

     Isn't the LoTRO expansion also out in Nov, and I think Rifts and TSW  expansions will be out fairly soon. Not sure of the date., Heck even DDo has a update coming out in November, so I figure there will be many things drawing on the GW2 crowd. not saying anyone is better just that comeptition will be around

  • JackdogJackdog Charleston, SCPosts: 6,344Member
    Originally posted by winter
    Originally posted by Nadia

    i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

     

    GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

     Isn't the LoTRO expansion also out in Nov, and I think Rifts and TSW  expansions will be out fairly soon. Not sure of the date., Heck even DDo has a update coming out in November, so I figure there will be many things drawing on the GW2 crowd. not saying anyone is better just that comeptition will be around

    /agree and competition in the market can only be good for us fans

     

    One thing unique about GW2 is that you can play it whenyou feel like and not feel like you are wasting money on the days you are not playing it.

    What I am wondering is if I can really go back to the quest hub system and be happy though. It might be like driving my old Camaro, fun for a hour or two but not nearly as comfortable or have as many convenience features as my Accord. I am stil on the fence about buying the LoTRO expansion. I have not realy played it much in a couple of years now and 90% of my old kinship has moved on. I think my highest level is level 61 or 62

    I miss DAoC

  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by papardelios
    Originally posted by winter
    Originally posted by Jackdog
    Originally posted by krakra70

    .

    It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

     

    stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

     Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

      and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't played wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

    except asura, check the 2 legendary bows at gw2 and you ll see what  really meens kiddie

     What you mean the unicorn pony bow that shoots rainbows? Nah thats mature adult stuff right JD?

  • winterwinter El Paso, TXPosts: 2,276Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jackdog
    Originally posted by winter
    Originally posted by Nadia

    i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

     

    GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

     Isn't the LoTRO expansion also out in Nov, and I think Rifts and TSW  expansions will be out fairly soon. Not sure of the date., Heck even DDo has a update coming out in November, so I figure there will be many things drawing on the GW2 crowd. not saying anyone is better just that comeptition will be around

    /agree and competition in the market can only be good for us fans

     

    One thing unique about GW2 is that you can play it whenyou feel like and not feel like you are wasting money on the days you are not playing it.

    What I am wondering is if I can really go back to the quest hub system and be happy though. It might be like driving my old Camaro, fun for a hour or two but not nearly as comfortable or have as many convenience features as my Accord. I am stil on the fence about buying the LoTRO expansion. I have not realy played it much in a couple of years now and 90% of my old kinship has moved on. I think my highest level is level 61 or 62

     Meh I've never really felt thats hearts were really all that different then quest hubs, and then theres the hole imersion breaker,  I don't mind talking to npc's to get quests compared to having quests just telepathically beamed into my head as soon as I enter a area because you know talking to a npc is just too hard :)

      All to their own I admit I'm a bit old school having been playing before EQ even

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,930Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by winter
    Originally posted by Nadia

    i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

     

    GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

     Isn't the LoTRO expansion also out in Nov, and I think Rifts and TSW  expansions will be out fairly soon. Not sure of the date., Heck even DDo has a update coming out in November, so I figure there will be many things drawing on the GW2 crowd. not saying anyone is better just that comeptition will be around

    LOTRO expansion is early October.  It was pushed back from a September release.

     

    How in the world is TSW going to have an expansion out soon when they just released?

  • KareliaKarelia HeraklionPosts: 668Member
    Originally posted by winter
    Originally posted by Jackdog
    Originally posted by winter
    Originally posted by Nadia

    i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

     

    GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

     Isn't the LoTRO expansion also out in Nov, and I think Rifts and TSW  expansions will be out fairly soon. Not sure of the date., Heck even DDo has a update coming out in November, so I figure there will be many things drawing on the GW2 crowd. not saying anyone is better just that comeptition will be around

    /agree and competition in the market can only be good for us fans

     

    One thing unique about GW2 is that you can play it whenyou feel like and not feel like you are wasting money on the days you are not playing it.

    What I am wondering is if I can really go back to the quest hub system and be happy though. It might be like driving my old Camaro, fun for a hour or two but not nearly as comfortable or have as many convenience features as my Accord. I am stil on the fence about buying the LoTRO expansion. I have not realy played it much in a couple of years now and 90% of my old kinship has moved on. I think my highest level is level 61 or 62

     Meh I've never really felt thats hearts were really all that different then quest hubs, and then theres the hole imersion breaker,  I don't mind talking to npc's to get quests compared to having quests just telepathically beamed into my head as soon as I enter a area because you know talking to a npc is just too hard :)

      All to their own I admit I'm a bit old school having been playing before EQ even

    agree 100%

  • JackdogJackdog Charleston, SCPosts: 6,344Member
    Originally posted by winter
    Originally posted by papardelios
    Originally posted by winter
    Originally posted by Jackdog
    Originally posted by krakra70

    .

    It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

     

    stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

     Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

      and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't played wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

    except asura, check the 2 legendary bows at gw2 and you ll see what  really meens kiddie

     What you mean the unicorn pony bow that shoots rainbows? Nah thats mature adult stuff right JD?

    you are aware that GW2 alows you to re skin the equipment and keep the stats right ? Wil WoW allow me to reskin a panda LOL. Better not try, PETA might find out  LOL

    I miss DAoC

  • JackdogJackdog Charleston, SCPosts: 6,344Member
    Originally posted by winter

     Meh I've never really felt thats hearts were really all that different then quest hubs, and then theres the hole imersion breaker,  I don't mind talking to npc's to get quests compared to having quests just telepathically beamed into my head as soon as I enter a area because you know talking to a npc is just too hard :)

      All to their own I admit I'm a bit old school having been playing before EQ even

    I have found about dozen or more easter egg quests/treasure chests, veteran mob spawn triggers etc with no markers at all and my max toon is only level 60. I am sure there are more that I have not found. Arenanet means it when they say explore, talk to NPC's, use emotes etc. There is a lot of completly unmarked content in this game. See a cave go in it, see a hole in the ground, jump down there. See a shrine, pray to the deity....may be something may not , won't know unles you look or try

    I miss DAoC

  • krakra70krakra70 karakas, IDPosts: 122Member
    Originally posted by Ethos86
    Originally posted by krakra70
    Just looking at the chart at http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2 it's easy to see that gw2's population is shrinking very quickly. And the best is yet to come (MoP).

     

    Hey you WoW fan over there, you are hiding it very poorly you know. Have you checked the big shrink in numbers on Xfire there are for WoW's hours played starting on August 25th? Like they lost more than half, and still didn't recover from that over a month now. How would that be? Even with releasing the MoP update to the public right after GW2 release to counter it.

    Let me tell you, it's when GW2 released. And yes WoW will rise again a bit with MoP, but it will also decline after the launch back to it's normal state, just like GW2 is declining now to find it's steady point of hours played. If you look to the chart then you should see that the fall is slowing down actually... but yeah. Fact is, WoW isn't king anymore, for the last month, if you look at Xfire numbers (and no other MMO has done that since WoW's release). We will see in 6 months when both MoP and GW2 aren't new any longer who's where then, and who's on top.

    Mkay?

    All I can do now is give credit to WoW for still currently being reasonably high on hours played, concidering it's such an old game. But even a WoW fan should give GW2 credit for what is has achieved already. GW2 is the most succesfull MMO launch since WoW, if you like it or not.

    When you call me a WoW fan you seem very desperate, man. I have played WoW for maybe 1 month in the last 2 years (cata release). Also you seem to have trouble seeing that WoWs population is completely stable since 30/8 while GW2 is falling since 2/9.

  • maddbomber83maddbomber83 Andrews, TXPosts: 422Member

    So, comparing the B2P numbers of a game to the P2P numbers of a game is kinda odd, no?

     

    You'll see a similar pattern for WoW as GW2 in the aspect of content.  GW2 players will play less once they have consumed all the content they want.  They will then play more once new content is released.

     

    WoW works the same way, only you have to cancle your sub inbetween patches if you don't want to pay for a game you are not playing.

  • JyiigaJyiiga Seneca, SCPosts: 1,041Member Uncommon
    I vote everyone that has Xfires leaves the GW2 launcher open when they are not playing. Do it while you are at work. Do it while you are sleeping. Lets screw up and inflate this silly metrics that so many live by. 
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