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You do realize that the Pandaren were the most requested race in a poll awhile back right? Blizzard didn't just pull that race out of their ass as the one to add.........
WoW been losing players long before GW2 released and I seriosly doubt if 60% of the playerbases subs all expired on the 26th of August. If they were going to give GW2 a looksee and did not care for it you would thing that WOW's numbers would already be climbing back to the pre GW2 numbers
dunno myself,. I do k=know though that the first 2 weeks of GW2 I was logging in 12 to 14 hours a day, now I am down to 4 - 6
I miss DAoC
if that is true then that makes it even funnier. What were the other choices, all something oriental in nature I assume judging from the rest of the expansions content
I miss DAoC
clearly xfire population has nothing to do with actual numbers because we know wow has more player than guild wars 2 but at the same time gw2 has more players than wow on xfire so clearly a drop in xfire players does nothing to demonstrate a drop in actual numbers.
my guess would be school starting, and getting over the I have to get 1 more level before bed syndrome that always occurs with a new games release
Like I pointed out all of the top 5 MMOs have dropped by 30 - 50 % since GW2 released. Their numbers have not bounced up with GW2's numbers decline. Did everyone just quit playing ?
I miss DAoC
It's clear that the game of choice is still gw2 and people are just playing less.
The point of the thread is just that. X-Fire numbers. Just take it as it is. XFire users are playing GW2 less and less, but it's still the dominant MMORPG.
I myself don't use X-fire.
Actually, both can be right. GW2 can have a third of Wows western players but still top it on Xfire, it all depends on how much each player plays each day. Xfire logs how many hours the game is played each day from all players.
If each GW2 player plays 4 hours and each Wow player 1 GW2 would top the list anyways.
Then again. you cant compare Xfire ratings between games, it differs a lot how much users of certain games uses it. And it is way more popular in the US than EU.
If you bothered to look at the support forums on X-fire (don't use it, but checked it out), the application stopped working for a lot of players of WoW when the Pandaria patch landed as it didn't recognise the 64bit client and those that couldn't be bothered to manually fix it are just not having hours logged, even those that have still don't have the client working in game apparently. Not some magical drop in players, not some mass migration in one day, simply a technical problem.
That being said, x-fire numbers are crap anyway, whether it is GW2's so called decline or WoW's. Of course GW2 hours played have dropped as people settle into their normal play routines after the initial rush, the same as Pandaria will see an initial boost and then tail off back to the norm again later on, it is just the nature of these things.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
Actually you forgot, Stitch from Lilo Stich (azura), Tinker Bell wannabes (Sylvari) and Beasts from Beaty and the beast (Char). NOT to mention the cutscenes were obviously designed by disney, just look at the ending one for the personal story and you even see the Magical kingdom. Gotta love the hipocresy of the GW2 crowd.
At least with a sub game they know that people won't tolerate bullshit and leave. With anet we have no recourse but to buy our own lube so our assholes don't get too stretched out from getting bent over a table at Anets will. - Hrimnir
We can at least spell.
But the MOP attack was over the top, all fantasy MMOs have silly parts.
Number of players have also dropped from 17k+ (if I remember right) to 11.4k as of yesterday.
Because more players prefer wednesday or something?
Listen, the numbers are useful for large trends (even if technical reason can mess them up). Looking on Wow players the last 3 or 6 months will actually tell you something, but the last 2 weeks nothing.
Maybe they are saving up for MOPs release or something, maybe they are bleeding players, or maybe the numbers are just wrong.
As for GW2 the first 2 weeks will always have more logged hours for any game.
Comparing different game never have given the numbers they should have, some games have more Xfire users than others.
Yes, GW2 is doing well at the moment but that is the only conclusion we can get of these numbers. How well is hard to say, I do not know a single GW2 user who have Xfire, and none who plays Wow either.
I have believed this for a long time now. Xfire is largely used by game hopers who play a game for 20-40 hours than move on. Lots of people play MMO's like single player games these days which is why box sales make up such a large portion of a MMO's revenue stream.
/facepalm
Game-hoppers are a normal part of any MMO, including WoW. As is the resulting population decline. In a really successful game, though, it's not that there are no game hoppers, it's just that the success yields a constrant stream of new players, replacing the people leaving. At least for the first few months, and even up to a year or two, if a game is popular enough.
That's where my concern lies. It's not that some people are quitting GW2. That's to be expected.. but I'm not seeing new players showing up, enough. We've just got the typical launch surge, and that's it, like every other MMO (since WoW). There's still time for that to turn around, but I don't know. Despite the overwhelmingly positive reviews and word-of-mouth, the casual masses still doen't even seem to know the game exists.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Hey you WoW fan over there, you are hiding it very poorly you know. Have you checked the big shrink in numbers on Xfire there are for WoW's hours played starting on August 25th? Like they lost more than half, and still didn't recover from that over a month now. How would that be? Even with releasing the MoP update to the public right after GW2 release to counter it.
Let me tell you, it's when GW2 released. And yes WoW will rise again a bit with MoP, but it will also decline after the launch back to it's normal state, just like GW2 is declining now to find it's steady point of hours played. If you look to the chart then you should see that the fall is slowing down actually... but yeah. Fact is, WoW isn't king anymore, for the last month, if you look at Xfire numbers (and no other MMO has done that since WoW's release). We will see in 6 months when both MoP and GW2 aren't new any longer who's where then, and who's on top.
Mkay?
All I can do now is give credit to WoW for still currently being reasonably high on hours played, concidering it's such an old game. But even a WoW fan should give GW2 credit for what is has achieved already. GW2 is the most succesfull MMO launch since WoW, if you like it or not.
But still #3 for the last 14 days. But looking at gaming hours compared to LoL, it's now 1/3rd, while it was close to 2/3rd 2 weeks ago when GW2 held the #3 position.
I'm also wondering how GW2 will do after the 25th when MoP is released. I figure WoW will go up from it's current #5 position and even take over the #3 position GW2 now holds. But will GW2 then move to #4 or drop dramatically in hours played as well?
I pitty it too. And I agree with your points, I'm not just a blind GW2 fan. Just felt like I needed to give some counterweight to the other guy's post.
People need to understand what X-Fire numbers represent.
X-Fire numbers represent very accurately the X-Fire users preferences.
What we don't know is how much X-fire users patterns mirror those of the non x-fire users.
For example, for X-fire users GW2 is more played than WoW (even taking in account the bug that x-fire already fixed) while for the rest of the world that isn't mirrored.
Then we have other factors.
GW2 launched during the summer hollidays - I was playing 12 hours a day during the first week, now I'm playing 4-6 during weekdays and 6+ during weekends.
If one looks at the peek numbers, both hours and players, we see a drop of hours played by player. from over 6 hours/day to 4.5hour/day.
There are some comments that say that other games numbers kept increasing after release.
Gw2 started with over 1 million players, though and reached at least 2 millions.
We are talking of an order of magnitude higher compared to pretty much every other new MMO release with the exception of SWTOR.
So we are talking of 30-50% of WoW population for the Europe/America market, so I don't know how much growth do people expect in 2 weeks.
Mid and high level zones seem well populated.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
kind of amazing that the breaking patch landed at the same time as GW2 launched.
Once again though trends are the key and since the last week of August when GW2 launched all of the top 5 western MMO's took a hit of between 25 and 60 percent. It is just not WoW that GW2 affected, SWToR, LoTRO, Aion, RIFT, TERA even EVE have all took a significant hit. People can't just cherry pick GW2's numbers and expect to be taken seriously, if you are going to look at the numbers look at all the numbers.
I miss DAoC
They aren't a sample.
They are a group - videogamers that use x-fire.
A representative sample needs to take into account several groups (population subsets) and their proportion of the general population.
If I want to make a poll for the US elections, I need to poll 51% women and 49% men, I need to make sure I poll age groups accordingly, urban population, rural population, white, black, yellow, purple, what states, etc.
A valid sample would grab 1000 random GW2 buyers, 500/500 America/Europe, from different servers and monitor if they are still playing and how much they are playing.
This would be a valid representation.
For example, if X-fire was a valid sample, one would think there are more or at least the same amount of players playing GW2 as they are playing WoW (I'm talking users and not hours).
Now, chances are that if a game is in decline it will also be in decline in X-Fire. Percentages of drops on the other hand will be harder to correlate.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
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They dont anyways.
I am still waiting for the Wow thread: "So this game have topped on Xfire" since every other game do have them, but every single thread that uses Xfire as single proof is flawed.