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Guild Wars 2: 2 Million and Counting

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  • rygard49rygard49 Huntington Beach, CAPosts: 975Member
    Originally posted by IceAge
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    Originally posted by IceAge

    Speculation? You made me smile :) I readed somewhere ( can't find it, but I will if you want ) , that WoW subs numbers are 60% in Asia and 40% EU/NA . In 2008 it was around 50-50% , but STILL , if it's 50-50 , from a total of 9 mil subs ( http://www.gamespot.com/news/world-of-warcraft-subscriptions-slip-to-91-million-6389957 ) it will be around 4.5 mils ! But I will try to find that link where it's says that WoW EU/NA has 40% from the total of subs ok? :)

    Sure, find the out of date article.  Or keep with your guesses based on percents that may or may not still be accurate.

    Make sure if you do find an article, that it has a date on it.

    The article was writen when Vivendi said that they are looking to sell Activision-Blizzard stocks, and that means, this year! But I can't really remember where did I read it! But still , even if can't find it, the 50-50% remains ok? Which means 4.5 mils ( which I don't believe )  subs in EU/NA before the release of GW2! So, speculation speaking, WoW subs in EU/NA is no more then  .. 3-4 mils as we speak! Can go back to his 4.5 ( which it will never happen , again speculation speaking ) when MOP releases.

    So if I'm understanding you correctly, even though you can't find the article, you're asserting it as 'fact'. And THEN you say you don't believe the 'fact' you're making up out of thin air.

    Cool.

  • ZeGermanZeGerman Andover, MAPosts: 196Member
    Originally posted by Lethality
    Originally posted by botrytis
    Originally posted by Lethality
    Hehe, no. This game isn't mainstream enough... it has a limited appeal, and there are signs that the foundation has cracks in it (endgame, broken designs, balance.)

    Not really - no more than any other game that was just released 2 weeks ago. The game is pretty balanced and TSW doesn't have decent end game either and TOR - fuh'get about it.

     

    Your bias is showing.

    It's not bias  - it's experience and knowing what I see when I see it.

    Are you level 80? Hav eyou been to Orr? Whgat can you tell me about end game, the dynamic events and grinding for gear?

     

     

    Grinding for gear? You can have gear that is nearly as good as the best gear in the game after 2 weeks as a reasonably casual player you call this grinding?  have you played Aion, Eve or Atlantica Online, or even WoW.  You don't like de's go play WvW budy or sPvP.  If you dont like any of that then dont play the game you simply dont like it, just as many people dont like WoW raids and even more who simply dont like RPG's.  Gaming is subjective you can say i don't like the endgame but you can't say there isnt one.  Everygame has an endgame even if its simply killing monsters.

  • ZeGermanZeGerman Andover, MAPosts: 196Member
    Originally posted by nastyjman
    Originally posted by EvilGeek

    Congratulations Anet, well deserved, great game loving it!

    I don't give a monkeys elbow about whose game is selling more, all I care about is that the game I'm loving at the moment is a success, that success means future content additions and expansions, more for me to enjoy :)

    Amen brother. I don't care if GW2 wins the MMO market, or if WoW remains the undefeated champion. Whatever. If you're having fun, you win. You the player who are enjoying this game wins!

    If you're not having fun with GW2, or forcing yourself to like it, move on and play another MMO. There's ArcheAge and The Repopulation to look forward to, but I'm looking forward with the potential and expansion of GW2's gameplay.

     

    I agree I only care to the point its successful because I want games to try new things instead of repeating the same old same old.  There are elements of GW2 that arent different enough for me like crafting but hopefuly games will try to branch even farther out now instead of cloning.

  • AmjocoAmjoco Layton, UTPosts: 4,777Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Coldhatez

    Only 2 million in 2 weeks? i expected alot more, around 4-8 million in two weeks.

    Look at diablo (not a mmo i know) sold 6 million in the first week or so, and diablo wasn't even as hyped as guildwars 2 is/was.

     

    Bit of a dissapointment.

    You shouldn't feel dissapointed. Remember, Blizzard and Diablo are one of the largest know names in the PC industry.

    If I went to my Aunt Mertle and said "Aunt Mertle, have you heard of the Diablo video game"? More than likely she is going to say yes. If I asked the same question about Guild Wars or Guild Wars 2 she would probably wonder what I was drinking. 

    GW2 had no television commercials or large ad campaign. Diablo 3 did. Diablo name has been known since around 1996. And like you said, they are not the same type of games so we shouldn't compare them anyway! :)

    GW2 did gooood. 

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member

    Lunch time, I think.  Can I sell anybody a t-shirt?

    The "fanboy" on one side and "hater" on the reverse is quite popular today.

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,924Member Uncommon

    Its almost as if 'holding' on purchases was a cleaver marketing ploy to draw more attention and allow this to happen far easier...

     

    Hmm oh wait... 

  • Preacher26Preacher26 saranac, NYPosts: 378Member

    More will come, give it time.

    Its not for everyone but it is certainly a solid game... but I prefer pvp content, if I was playing strictly for pve I prob wouldnt have bought it.

  • caetftlcaetftl Los Angeles, CAPosts: 358Member

    Unfortunately, because of the nature of b2p games, anet can sorta mask how many active users it has. 

     

    A few months from now it would be interesting to see their max concurrent over a 1month span at that time. 

     

    Instead I have a feeling they will only ever talk about total box sales.  2million is great, not the best, but more successful than 90% of the other big name titles.  Not really comparable to p2p games that sell similar numbers of boxes + have subscription revenue though. 

  • Stx11Stx11 West Hills, CAPosts: 415Member
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

    If you are going to compare apples to apples, then we have 2 metrics. Concurrent users and/or Boxed sales...

    To me, as an online game, the best metric is how many people are currently playing it?...

    How about we look at this like "Hey! I got options now! As a gamer, I can go play WoW. OR I can go play GW2 Or I can play both". Doesn't it make sense to have many successful titles? Instead of looking for a game that will finally down the giant? If you don't play the giant, and there is another succesful game that works for you.....In all seriousness, Why do you care?

    I'm glad GW2 sold 2M and WoW will sell it's millions. It proves the genre isn't dead and there are examples of success so we can keep looking forward to studios investing in these games.

    Exactly!

    Exactly again! - and don't forget Storm Legion! (I thought for sure you would have mentioned RIFT)

    And with this I think you've demostrated to much sense, logic, and positive insight for MMORPG forums ;D

  • BadaboomBadaboom Moose Jaw, SKPosts: 2,380Member
    Originally posted by caetftl

    Unfortunately, because of the nature of b2p games, anet can sorta mask how many active users it has. 

     

    Why?  Are you an investor?  In what possible way does this affect you? 

  • caetftlcaetftl Los Angeles, CAPosts: 358Member
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    Originally posted by caetftl

    Unfortunately, because of the nature of b2p games, anet can sorta mask how many active users it has. 

     

    Why?  Are you an investor?  In what possible way does this affect you? 

     

    Well it allows certain people to put certain spins on the health of the game. 

     

    Whereas we should always strive to be objective and deal with facts and evidence. 

     
  • BadaboomBadaboom Moose Jaw, SKPosts: 2,380Member
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    Originally posted by caetftl

    Unfortunately, because of the nature of b2p games, anet can sorta mask how many active users it has. 

     

    Why?  Are you an investor?  In what possible way does this affect you? 

     

    Well it allows certain people to put certain spins on the health of the game. 

     

    Whereas we should always strive to be objective and deal with facts and evidence. 

     

    Oh I see.  So who is the "expert" offering up the prognosis?

  • caetftlcaetftl Los Angeles, CAPosts: 358Member
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    Originally posted by caetftl
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    Originally posted by caetftl

    Unfortunately, because of the nature of b2p games, anet can sorta mask how many active users it has. 

     

    Why?  Are you an investor?  In what possible way does this affect you? 

     

    Well it allows certain people to put certain spins on the health of the game. 

     

    Whereas we should always strive to be objective and deal with facts and evidence. 

     

    Oh I see.  So who is the "expert" offering up the prognosis?

     

    Who knows, certainly not the guy getting defensive for anet, towards the FACT that they can hide their active user numbers...

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 5,587Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Stx11
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer

    If you are going to compare apples to apples, then we have 2 metrics. Concurrent users and/or Boxed sales...

    To me, as an online game, the best metric is how many people are currently playing it?...

    How about we look at this like "Hey! I got options now! As a gamer, I can go play WoW. OR I can go play GW2 Or I can play both". Doesn't it make sense to have many successful titles? Instead of looking for a game that will finally down the giant? If you don't play the giant, and there is another succesful game that works for you.....In all seriousness, Why do you care?

    I'm glad GW2 sold 2M and WoW will sell it's millions. It proves the genre isn't dead and there are examples of success so we can keep looking forward to studios investing in these games.

    Exactly!

    Exactly again! - and don't forget Storm Legion! (I thought for sure you would have mentioned RIFT)

    And with this I think you've demostrated to much sense, logic, and positive insight for MMORPG forums ;D

    Rift works perfectly into this example, But unless the expansion brings sales at least back or close to it's original sales mark, I just kinda wanted to avoid the "Rift only has 7 servers" canned response.

  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member
    Originally posted by Preacher26

    More will come, give it time.

    Its not for everyone but it is certainly a solid game... but I prefer pvp content, if I was playing strictly for pve I prob wouldnt have bought it.

    That's exactly why i bought it. being an avid pve player, they've solved in one game problems found in games made by companies with extremely large revenues from subscriptions who've never taken the time to update basic mechanics to make their game pve environment more player friendly.

    Seriously, it's no gush when i tell you, that every problem I've had is gone. Love this new mmo home.

  • PsychowPsychow SF Giants Territory, CAPosts: 1,784Member
    They only have to increase this by 500% and they will match D3. Go go go!!
  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member
    Originally posted by caetftl

    Unfortunately, because of the nature of b2p games, anet can sorta mask how many active users it has. 

    You mean like Blizzard did with D3 until someone discovered that they lost 60% of their players all at once? and then the community confronted Blizzard and they suddenly started working on making D3 content and fixes for the nonsensical combat situations. Interesting huh.

    Besides, that's not happening with GW2 considering the game is barely 2 weeks old. No issues there and they have just restarted selling digital copies :)

  • LethalityLethality Apopka, FLPosts: 61Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Stx11
    Originally posted by Lethality
    Originally posted by Foomerang

    Grats Anet! I wonder how many people are actually playing.

    They'll never tell us, that's the problem.

    http://www.guildfans.com/story.html?story=30544

    "The 400,000 concurrent player record set over the headstart weekend has been repeatedly matched in the first two weeks of the game's life. Considering that ArenaNet suspended sales of the game to ensure server limits were not taxed beyond the sanctity of player enjoyment, the figures are quite astonishing."

    We'll see if they keep announcing things going forward. We'll also see if Blizzard ever releases NA/EU-only Sub Numbers.

    Concurrent is different that players. They need to provide a definition of "active players" to determine how popular the game is.

    Blizzard has already defined subscribers.  

    Plus let's see it a year, not 2 weeks in. Hell, even 2 weeks after launch, TOR looked like a blockbuster.

     

     

  • IceAgeIceAge SomeWhere In ..Posts: 1,013Member Common
    Originally posted by rygard49
    Originally posted by IceAge
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    Originally posted by IceAge

    Speculation? You made me smile :) I readed somewhere ( can't find it, but I will if you want ) , that WoW subs numbers are 60% in Asia and 40% EU/NA . In 2008 it was around 50-50% , but STILL , if it's 50-50 , from a total of 9 mil subs ( http://www.gamespot.com/news/world-of-warcraft-subscriptions-slip-to-91-million-6389957 ) it will be around 4.5 mils ! But I will try to find that link where it's says that WoW EU/NA has 40% from the total of subs ok? :)

    Sure, find the out of date article.  Or keep with your guesses based on percents that may or may not still be accurate.

    Make sure if you do find an article, that it has a date on it.

    The article was writen when Vivendi said that they are looking to sell Activision-Blizzard stocks, and that means, this year! But I can't really remember where did I read it! But still , even if can't find it, the 50-50% remains ok? Which means 4.5 mils ( which I don't believe )  subs in EU/NA before the release of GW2! So, speculation speaking, WoW subs in EU/NA is no more then  .. 3-4 mils as we speak! Can go back to his 4.5 ( which it will never happen , again speculation speaking ) when MOP releases.

    So if I'm understanding you correctly, even though you can't find the article, you're asserting it as 'fact'. And THEN you say you don't believe the 'fact' you're making up out of thin air.

    Cool.

    And then I said I don't believe in facts? It's a big difference to come with facts , and a very big difference to make "facts" for the sake of making them.

    I did not found that link but I will keep looking. Anyway, fine .. because blizzard did not release any other informations about regional subscriptions since 2008 , and that I am not *right* to make "facts" because a company does not release such informations , WoW last subscription base was around 9 mil ok? Taking the proofs which we have them from back in 2008, the EU/NA has a 50% from the total amount of players right? That makes 4.5 mils!

    Now let's compare an 8 years old game, which has 4.5 millions of players , with GW2, a 2 weeks released game , which sold 2 mil boxes in 2 weeks and .. see the difference, ok?

    Don't know why people will just bash everything on GW2 ! In fact , I am a supporter of Blizzard, ANet and any other game companys I like! I never posted about other games beside the ones I was or I am playing! Why some of you need to bash a game you have never played? More so, making "wierd" comments on the company which created it?!

    Blizzard it's a winner for me ! I own SC1, SC2, WoW, W3 , D2 and D3 good games.

    ANet it's also a winner for me! I own GW and GW2!

    What I hate it's people making comments for the sake of making them!

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  • HalandirHalandir nnPosts: 758Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    they did well.

    Or... did they?  Do we know their development costs or their operating costs compared to how much they've earned?

    They did and they do.

    Dev cost above 50m and well below 100. Of the first 2 mil sales it is a close to a 55/45 split between high yield online sales and low yield box'es.

    No you cannot have a link. (And no, I am not in the least bothered how you project on that). You may however google all you want and do the math yourself.

     

    We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by Stx11
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    To me, as an online game, the best metric is how many people are currently playing it?...

    It may be the only number that really matters.  But it's the one number no marketing dept. will ever release.

    Think we can get Blizzard (or any other game company) to cough up accurate numbers?  Not just 'how many subscriptions including overseas players at different rates'--how many faces, actually in the game, live, at time X on day Y.

    It's much smaller than the sub numbers they (used to while still growing) pitch around, certainly, for any game company.  It's what Xfire (attempts) to do, with dubious success.

    Naw--multi-accounts--impossible to count anyway, even if every gaming corporation had a sudden attack of honesty at precisely the same time. 

    Never mind.

     

     

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  • IceAgeIceAge SomeWhere In ..Posts: 1,013Member Common
    Originally posted by Lethality
    Originally posted by Stx11
    Originally posted by Lethality
    Originally posted by Foomerang

    Grats Anet! I wonder how many people are actually playing.

    They'll never tell us, that's the problem.

    http://www.guildfans.com/story.html?story=30544

    "The 400,000 concurrent player record set over the headstart weekend has been repeatedly matched in the first two weeks of the game's life. Considering that ArenaNet suspended sales of the game to ensure server limits were not taxed beyond the sanctity of player enjoyment, the figures are quite astonishing."

    We'll see if they keep announcing things going forward. We'll also see if Blizzard ever releases NA/EU-only Sub Numbers.

    Concurrent is different that players. They need to provide a definition of "active players" to determine how popular the game is.

    Blizzard has already defined subscribers.  

    Plus let's see it a year, not 2 weeks in. Hell, even 2 weeks after launch, TOR looked like a blockbuster.

     

     

    That statement it's the only good one that you've made since you start ... commeting on this article. Let's see it a year from now!

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  • ZylaxxZylaxx Erlanger, KYPosts: 2,574Member

    Said it before, and will say it again 3 million by the end of the year and 4-5 million within a year.

     

    GW2 is the next incarnation of an amazing game experience with truely unlimited lasting appeal for the moderate to casual gamer base (or the die hard PvP'er).  For those with voracious apetites and the free time to play this game might not be for you.  I hear there are folks with full exotic and have completed 100% map but for those gamers nothing "new" will ever be good enough and it might behoove them to return to some old MMO and play such as WoW.  For me and mine GW2 offers alot of replayablity.

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  • slickbizzleslickbizzle Matthews, NCPosts: 464Member
    Hooray! I picked a winner to play!  Arenanet, and I, sure showed up all the doubters.  Unless Warcraft picks up steam, then it will be me and Blizzard showing up all the doubters.
  • roo67roo67 londonPosts: 402Member
    Originally posted by kadepsyson
    Originally posted by fatboy21007
    Look out WoW,  some1 is gaining steam XD

    WoW has more subscribers than GW2 ever will

    You do realise there is no subscription to Guild Wars 2 .

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