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Exactly.
Those types of "fanbois" are still "haters" because they are negative and combative.
A "true" fan is positive and hurts no one.
And the "hater" who comes in to rain on someone's parade and piss in their cheerios is the worst of all.
"I love this game I'm having such a good time!"
Hater comes into thread - "Well, you're stupid and here is why..."
What does that help?
Though the "This game is better than YOUR game and YOUR stupid for liking that crap" is almost as bad as it is an open invitation for the hater to come in and play defender.
Thus you have 99% of threads on this website.
I know it is hard for you to believe but there were actually those that enjoyed SWTOR. I seem to recall you giving them quite a hard time over there in some threads. Then again as usual since you like this game apparently everyone should and not have any issues.
It is perfectly okay.
/reads through thread
Because you sure as shit aren't the only one.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Fair enough, but why aren't you allowing others the same freedom of opinion? Lol, "haters and fanbois", that is so childish.
...So in a forum specfically tailored to GW2, you aren't suppose to talk excitedly about the game you like? Mmmmk, got it. When you come to a forum specifically tailored to a certain game (GW2 subforums), it would be reasonable to expect these so-called "fanboy" posts, would it not?
And no, most people don't come to these forums. Vast majority of gamers don't even go to forums, unless they specifically need help on something. And even then, why would you go to MMORPG over websites tailored to the game a la guru, or the official forums?
I guess my point is, if you are bothered by people talking about the game they enjoy in the forums for THAT GAME, don't visit the forums. It's as simple as that. When you come to a forum designed for a certain game, and you put down that game, you are going to be flamed. It's honestly that simple. You may not think the game is the greatest thing ever, but that doesn't mean it's not the greatest game bobby joe shmoe has played.
Nobody here really needs you to point out that there are faults in the game. Everyone knows that there are faults in the game, and that those faults may or may not just be personal opinion. When people post suggestions to the game in a constructive format (using proper english, and being polite), generally people are respectful. And most importantly, people are even more respectful if you aren't trying to speak for the gaming populace, and declare your opinion the only valid opinion. Most people don't hate suggestions, but when you declare that the game will fail unless it has "x, y, and z", people are going to laugh at you.
Every game has fanatical fans who don't look at areas where the game improves, and GW2 is no different in that regard.
Huh? haters can only be negative? what if a so called hater is giving a genuine criticism? i would say that is positive for the game. You are still failing to see both sides of the coin and focusing only one side.
Both haters and fans are capable of being positive and negative.
And be my guest to tell these people who keep telling others how to enjoy the game or make topics like 'GW2 is overwhelming success so people who dislike it are just mad or jealous with its success ' that they are not fans. Would be interesting to see what they have to say about it.
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Why did i stop anyone from giving an opinion? doesn't mean i can not point the obvious hypocricy from time to time. I am neither a hater or fanboi. I am just a simple fan of GW2 who doesn't believe in tellinng others 'how to play the game'.
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No, someone who is positive and giving constructive criticism is NOT a hater.
It's so damned rare on MMORPG.com it's no surprise people have no idea what that looks like lol
And of course over-zealous fans are still fans, but the "fanboi" moniker is a negative one for a reason - they are still generating hate with their combative attitudes.
Hence why I said "if they fanbois are positive" but that means they aren't really "fanbois" they are just fans?
Just arguing semantics at this point - which is pointless.
But the jist of it is that positivity is never worse than negativity.
So I guess in that sense the OP is kind of right, the "feral" fanboi who is negative is not worse than the hater, they are just as bad.
But pointing that out and making a whole thread about it is a waste of time and does NOTHING but create further negativity and fan the flames, adding to the problem.
Again, you're being highly hypocritical BadSpock. Gamers affect Games, and what you're essentially saying is that no one should ever post their opinion on anything whatsoever unless it is a positive approach towards that specific game.
Jinxxed0 was correct in that regard, and sure he could have gone without the "WoW Babies" comment. However, he pointed out that opinions twist and turn when left unchecked to morph into lies or general misrepresentations of the truth. Maybe his opinion was a bit more out there than others, including my own...sometimes, but that doesn't mean he was wrong for saying it.
I think you're not being geniune to your idea of leaving people to their specific sub-genre when you yourself are attacking people outside of your own "normal sub-genre".
He had every right to say what he thinks, and for the most part I agree with him save for the direct insults he implied.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
Exactly. And of that small group that goes to the sites and reads them, an even smaller group takes to the forums to read about or engage in discussions. I had brought this up not long ago as it's something I've encountered in positions on both the fansite side and the developer side of player communities.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Sure, there is some bad fanboyism going on in these forums, but by far the majority of hyperbole going on is coming from the hater camp.
Why is it that I keep hearing about how GW2 was supposed to be the second coming --- from the haters?
I think the people criticising this game need to realise that it wasn't the majority of fans hyping this game that is causing this problem, but instead that the critics have overinflated the claims being made by the fans. Well that's my impression anyway.
The game is fantastic and no amount of forum PvP is going to change that (The WvWvW queues do need sorting though!).
This site is so cute. Look, check the online users for the site. It's the same 300-400 on all the time at peek and less during normal hours. As such, there are known groups of people who like and dislike certain things, which is pretty evident. Trust me when I say that no one who post on this site is hurting a game by either hating it or being a rabid fanboy. It's a tiny fraction... a very small sample of a user group. How many people are playing Gw2? Now how many people post on this site? Do the math. It's irrelivent to the success, or downfall of a game.
I'm a "normal" player. By no means a fanboy or a hater. I'm currently playing and having fun. So I just ignore it. If you don't like it, just leave it be and play something else.. if you love it, just play it. I have seen quite a few post from you regarding not diggin the game instead of just playing something else. Post like the one you made above are just inciting more of the extremist from the woodwork....
I must say though, it's sad that people are contacting you off the site, that's just uncalled for... You should hide or remove your email.
I gave thoughtful, drawn out, criticisms & concerns for SWTOR and I was called a hater by more people than I can recall, including you.
I did the same for TSW, got an overall positive response, but I was still called a troll & hater by some.
I also remember when you flamed me for speaking out about TESO being a SWTOR-clone, which it represented itself to be by the Lead Developer himself.
It's very hard for me to read things like this from you and then you turn around and say something else the next month BadSpock.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
I don't agree at all. I see plenty here that bring up valid points, issues, or debates.Just as I do on the positive spectrum. Many times they do simply get dismissed as haters or fanboys relative to the topic. Are there there plenty just looking to get a rise as well? Of course...
Still I see valid discussions being made all the time here about the positives and negatives. Simply have to wear some hip waders at times.
But it is a message board so frankly should be expected.
I have also seen some good topics folks have made get buried by just as many fans as haters because they feel it is a lot more important to post in a topic like "This is a great game....for me to poop on!" which is very unfortunate. Much as some like to bitch about the topics they feel are here to incite hatred and trollish they sure have a knack for posting in those more often.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Because the fans are the ones that pressed that point, and "haters" got tired of hearing it in OTHER game's forums such as TSW, EQ, DAOC, RIFT, ArchAge, etc.
I believe you're exchanging "Hater" in place of "People who have differing opinions than I have".
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
I really mean this in the nicest way but your reply is ignorant. In your attempt to argue with BadSpock you are missing his point. A Hater will not give a genuine criticism. Haters are not capable of being positive, just like a Fanboy will not be able to recognize a genuine criticism in which BadSpock has pointed out.
Of course all of this is "IMO", which make anything I say ok.
But fan is short for fanatic, unless you are saying you move air around. I see what you are trying to say though.
The issue at hand currently though is that almost no form of "positive criticism" is accepted on these forums anymore. The moment you point out one flaw you get attacked as a "hater" and "troll".
If I see a horrible flaw I'll say it outright and to the point what I feel that it is. I've even had people in the past claim I was claiming 100% facts when they were merely strong opinions based on experiences I've had with that specific topic.
I almost don't see a point in posting on these forums anymore when ANY differing opinion is treated as an instant /ignore. It's almost depressing.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
A hater is not a hater just because he gives a negative criticism the label comes after wards. But before calling me ignorant i would like to ask you in nicest way possible what the hell you have been doing on these forums if you didn't even notice a simple thing that often anyone who gives valid criticism is simple dismissed as a hater or a troll?.
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It's a game.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
If you're using the "Direct" definition of Fan which is Fanatic then yes. However, that is nothing but semantics.
Why must you poke the dragon with a sharp stick in the eye
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The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
I don't think he was making a valid point, but more than likely he was simply trying to shut down your response and dismiss it.
In my opinion BadSpock was wrong in what he said on both replies, but i've already responded to those so I won't repeat them here.
Regardless, I believe SteeJanz is the one who is being ignorant here. He ignores the falacies BadSpock puts forth without getting the "point" of why "Hater" is thrown about so willy-nilly without even a coherant reply as to why they're being labeled as such.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
Thats all i see is the many hundreds of different happy gamers i have the pleasure of playing with in game everyday in a game to where no 2 characters look exactly alike and the action and fun is as slow or fast, hard or easy as you want it to be..
To me personally GW2 is the greatest game ever made and i just cant get enough of it and i am way far from being alone here..
Playing GW2..
Another issue is that almost no form of "positive praise" is accepted on these forums anymore. The moment you point out something that you like about the game, you get attacked for being a "fanboi" or being "feral."
i think Badspock also needs to hear this as much as i do.
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They seem the same to me. I've been called a fanboy or hater pending on the topic at hand with mmos by those gems since...well I've been going to forums for mmos.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.