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Go play Call of duty + Aimbot if GW2 is hard.
You will bash 1 button to shot and it makes you feel like a real HERO !
Originally posted by Elikal Seriously, I so HAVE it had with those people always yelling "MORE DIFFICULT" please. Why are the devs always listen to them? I am really pissed. First The Secret World, which I quit because I died 2000 times. And now with GW2 it is the same again. The difficulty was just right in the late beta, but a few people whined with Esports mentality, some 16 year old action zergers asked for more hardcore, and now beyond level 16 both my Mesmer and my Thief are unplayable. I HATE those people. Why must they always cater THEM? While the world is fully crowded you get along, but play on irregular times, and those classes are a DAMN CHORE. And worse, the story instances are nightmares! I even took a friend along, and we died several times, even had to just ignore some instances, because even with two we simply could not do it, and to hell with levelling, because the DAMN GAME levels you down again, no matter. I am so fed up with developers always listen to this hardcore crowd who ruin every game because they need games to be a dick size contest to PROVE themselves! Grrrr
While I am not sure you are serious or not I am not a big fan of twitch style combat, and I hope all MMO's don't head in that direction eventually. With that being said I did not like GW2 that much when I first started playing but now I am having a blast, only issue is lack of open world pvp where someone could attack me in the middle of nowhere, and a lack of RP elements as far as the world is soo huge I haven't stayed in one area long enough to get a good feel for it.
Originally posted by ElikalSeriously, I so HAVE it had with those people always yelling "MORE DIFFICULT" please. Why are the devs always listen to them? I am really pissed. First The Secret World, which I quit because I died 2000 times. And now with GW2 it is the same again. The difficulty was just right in the late beta, but a few people whined with Esports mentality, some 16 year old action zergers asked for more hardcore, and now beyond level 16 both my Mesmer and my Thief are unplayable. I HATE those people. Why must they always cater THEM? While the world is fully crowded you get along, but play on irregular times, and those classes are a DAMN CHORE. And worse, the story instances are nightmares! I even took a friend along, and we died several times, even had to just ignore some instances, because even with two we simply could not do it, and to hell with levelling, because the DAMN GAME levels you down again, no matter.I am so fed up with developers always listen to this hardcore crowd who ruin every game because they need games to be a dick size contest to PROVE themselves!Grrrr
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Originally posted by nariusseldon It is a free world. I don't see why my entertainment should be shackled by other people's ideals. There are ALWAYS alternatives. MMOs are not the only entertainment out there. Heck, they are not the only GAMES out there.
That's exactly why you should stop telling others their opinions are wrong, yours is right, and how companies are making the games you like for the right reasons. Open your perspective a bit. Realize everyone is not you or even like you. Some people like other things and would like a few games that cater to their own wants for a change. Why does every game need to be made how you like it? Not everyone likes drive through gaming. Not everyone wants instant satisfaction. In short...stop being greedy and self serving. Stop shackling the entertainment of others with your ideals. Maybe someday you'll see the journey and enjoy it instead of just enjoying the destination. Maybe not.
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Originally posted by worldalpha You'll never be able to please everyone.
I agree with this part. Which is something game makers don't seem to understand. Instead, they play follow the trend and expect to get all gamers to their one game. It won't happen. Pick an audience. Make the game for that audience. Profit. And for god's sake, get off the pedastals and talk to us. We'll both be better off for it.
There a game for you people who think mmo these day are too hard.
After 60 sec you are lvl 10 , you got a mount and all, in fact the only thing you do is accepting the quest and the game do everything for you. That a game for YOU. no joke there..
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Originally posted by KaosProphet I would call it "the customer is always right". If devs want my business, do it so that i like it. If not, i walk. It is a free world. I don't see why my entertainment should be shackled by other people's ideals.
As you shackle down the entertainment of others with your ideas, and gloat when you "win."
I don't want to infringe on your entertainment, I just want you to stop pissing on mine like an incontinent poodle.
No matter what i do, i probably am not going to change the market. So how is a little discussion on a forum "shackle down the entertainment" of others. I certainly have no qualms about speaking about MY preference and i certainly do not have any power to stop YOU from doing the same.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. MMOs are not the only entertainment out there. Heck, they are not the only GAMES out there.
There are ALWAYS alternatives. MMOs are not the only entertainment out there. Heck, they are not the only GAMES out there.
Sure they are - once you've stripped the word of enough meaning, so that everything is an MMO if you say it is. Which is where you're going.
Not me. The market. If games like WOW, DCUO, DDO, ... which ARE considered MMO by the industry, and players, turn into lobby-based co-op games, who am I to argue with the label?
Personally i don't care about what you call them .. but these are games being discussed here on this forum, and MMORPG is as good as a label as anything else.
Originally posted by ET3D I wish more games did what City of Heroes did and let the player set their own difficulty.
WOW does. DDO does .. i am sure there are others too.
Any Permadeath guilds around yet?
The game is no challenge due to such a tiny death penalty. Oh you died? there there it's ok, just try again until you get it.
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Originally posted by Lethargic_Synapse God forbid rewards take effort to obtain.
I have no problem with fun efffort like fighting. But please spare me of the trivial grunt work like mapping, or walking to the destination for 10 min.
Those are not challenges. Those grunt work.
And God forbid if entertainment is actually fun and not like the real world.
Originally posted by nariusseldon Originally posted by Lethargic_Synapse God forbid rewards take effort to obtain.
The problem is, people like you see no room for ANY games to have those options. Some people don't like Civilization 5, but they don't want the game to not be made just because it's not their style. Now you have people like the OP who come charging in and complain that something isn't the way they like it in a particular game so it must be wrong. Are you guys really so ignorant to think that all MMO's are bad if they aren't catered to you?
This whole thread is stupid anyways as the devs DONT listen to the hardcore crowd. That is why there is barely any griding, and games like GW2 and TSW are stupidly easy. You guys would cry and possibly have a brain aneurysm if you played any of the old-school mmo's. It took me quite a few months to max out skills in UO. Today, I am lucky if it takes me a month max.
Closing note, your version of entertainment isn't going to directly reflect someone elses. So stop trying to make all the games the same. Its a good thing you ass-hats don't regulate cars otherwise we'd all be driving a Toyota Prius instead of other cars as they are "too fast for me" or "make too much noise when accelerating" or even "convertibles are bad so no one should have them".
They should have MMORPGs that cater to the aforementioned "make it harder" crowd. The only problem is, there are many more paying customers that want their hands held while they play their games. This is why unless it's a Kickstarter situation or something similar, I don't see a good, solid, difficult and group play required MMO happening for a long, long time. I'm not saying to make playing the game solo entirely impossible-but definitely not as easy as it is nowadays. I think a harder game that encourages group dynamic requirements in order to achieve ANY symbol of status is preferable, but that's my opinion.
Give me a modern-day UO or EQ1 any day. (Devs interested in Kickstarter, take note!)
I do, however, see the place and need for MMOs that cater to the "teddy bear" crowd also. I just don't want that to be the only industry standard anymore (though I'm not blind to the fact that it's not likely to happen).
Originally posted by madazz Originally posted by nariusseldon Originally posted by Lethargic_Synapse God forbid rewards take effort to obtain.
Now you are putting words into my mouth. Frankly i really don't care if those games exist or not. Surely i am not going to play games i do not like, but hey, I don't see a problem if they exist. Now i wouldn't hesitate to point out how much i dislike them, or whether they are popular, but certainly i care less if devs are making them. I don't actively want to eliminate them.
They are just not that important. Just like i will never read a romantic novel. I may make fun of them during a conservation, but it is not like i loath their existence.
Originally posted by Scot Bottom line is most of us say MMO's should be harder and those that think they are fine are still posting on here and not playing their fabulous ezMMO's. So somthing is wrong at the mill.
Their games don't have a sub and they can just buy their way through the game. They don't have to play it to reach the end.
What are you smoking? You play your games 24/7? Posting here took only a little time. You don't see me post here that often durnig the weekends when i play games, do you? Nor much in the evening.
You sound like there is only one entertainment activity. That is just absurb. I play games, watch movie, tv, anime, read novels, surf and post on forums. That means i don't like my video games? Give me a break.
Originally posted by Thorbrand Incorrect sir! A game is something that is challenging, mental or physical, the requires you to beat challenges or a level of skill to compete. Tell me one game that is just there to entertain? There are none because than it isn't a game. You are thinking movies and such not games. I think we need to look up the definition of a game. Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interaction. Games generally involve mental or physical stimulation, and often both. Many games help develop practical skills, serve as a form of exercise, or otherwise perform an educational, simulational, or psychological role. There you go! Now you know what a game is.
Originally posted by Thorbrand
You didn't look up the definition of game. You invented your own definition. There is a huge difference.
Originally posted by Krystalmyth Originally posted by nariusseldon No. Gaming is about being entertained and having fun. Some, like you, have fun overcoming difficulty. Some don't. Obviously if a game is TOO difficult, it is not fun. So it is in the eye of the beholder.
Originally posted by Krystalmyth
Google defines game as:
There is more than one definition for the word game. The primary definitions from Mirriam-Webster, Dictionary.com, the freedictionary.com, and Cambridge don't mention challenge in the definition at all. In fact they focus on it being an activity for diversion, amusment, and fun. The Cambridge dictionary mentions challenge in the primary definition, but then has a second entry just for computer games that don't mention challenge at all.
You site a Wikipedia article where a biased author defines the key components of a game as they see them. That assertion is neither sourced or cited. It is a poorly written article.
If you're going to use definitions and cite sources then you should cite authoritive accepted sources with regards to the source. Google and Bing (in and of themselves) and Wikipedia are not authoritive dictionary sources.
While some definitions of game do have the word and concept of challenge in them, many do not. There is no exclusive support for either position and the majority of primary definitions don't support either of your assertions.