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Be honest, would you keep playing if Guild Wars 2 had subscriptions?

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  • DrachasorDrachasor Columbus, OHPosts: 2,678Member
    Originally posted by Seelinnikoi
    Originally posted by MindTrigger
    The fees don't bother me, but then $15 per month is nothing compared to what I pay for my other hobbies, activities and entertainment.  MMO games are one of the cheapest forms of entertainment I can think of.

    QFT.

    I have spent much more on my other hobbies. I just wish there was a good MMO out there which doesnt have anything like I have seen before.

    A bold new gaming aproach.

    I guess its too risky financially speaking, but I would love to see one day.

    Let's say you like to do robotics.  One set of parts costs $600 and another set $300 dollars.  The same basic process goes into making them.  Would it really make sense to buy the $600 parts?

    No.  And if you said "but $600 is a lot less than I'd spend on a new gaming computer" you have now failed economics.

    Point is, comparing games to non-games in terms of cost is rather ridiculous.  You compare games to other games.  Of course, sub fees don't fair to well when you do this, because it is a ridiculous charge for a game.  But if you pay sub fees, and recognize this, congitive dissonance would tend to make you justify the cost to yourself even if it isn't justifiable (we tend to resolve cognitive dissonance based on our behavior -- interesting tidbit).

    I rambled a bit there, but the point is you can't compare gaming in cost to other hobbies in terms of decided what cost is reasonable for a game.  Otherwise you'll decide that a video game that you play for 30 hours should cost hundreds of dollars (based on movie prices).  But that's just now how it works.

  • DrunkWolfDrunkWolf Posts: 1,178Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Slythe
    Originally posted by Caldrin

    Finding it hard enough to log on as it is... i would not have even brought the game if it had a sub..

     

    Same here. I'm at level 47 atm, played a lot of WvW and got to like 172/143 in crafting (Tailor/Jeweler) and find myself thoroughly bored atm.

     

    But I don't think it's the game, it's probably me. MMORPG's just aren't as fun for me as they used to be.

     Thats because MMOs arnt as good as they used to be, and thats includeing GW2.

  • sfc1971sfc1971 UtrechtPosts: 421Member

    A pointless question, Areanet has done this before with the original GW and it makes the game what it is. The lack of a subscription fee also clearly shows in how the game is run. No subscription based game could get away with the sub-par customer support, lack of ingame GM's and no official forum while the official site is a clear "oh my god we can't handle the traffic" mess.

    A lot of kids wonder why some MMO's need a monthly fee and it is simple, adults have to pay for their own food. That means people working for a company demand a wage and that wage has to be payed out of income generated by the company. Most often through having customers pay for stuff.

    50 bucks for a boxed game is significantly less income then 50 bucks for a boxed game plus 12x15 bucks for a fee. Do the math. So either Areanet found a way to stop its employees from needing food or it hires significantly less of them.

    The original GW feel was much closer to a Korean game and GW2 is little different. The game itself is good but you do get the feeling that customer support is competely missing. Just imagine Blizzard just bring WoW down with a 3 minute notice. Everyone would scream bloody murder, your raid, your group just poof gone whenever Blizzard felt like releasing a trivial patch.

    Hell, there aren't even any patch notes, clearly communicating with its customers is at the moment restricted to the occasional twitter messages. Compare this to SOE community and the experience is clearly very different.

    So, would I pay a monthly fee for GW2? Duh. NO. Not for what they currently offer. It would be like asking if I would pay 3 michelin star prices for a McD burger. No. I MIGHT pay a premium for a real michelin chef created hamburger but NOT for a McD burger as it is right now. Not that said burgers are bad, they just aren't worth a higher price.

    GW2 is the game it is, louse customer support and all, thanks to it business model. If Areanet were to change its business model, it would have to change the game or at least how they operate it.

  • UkiahUkiah Austin, TXPosts: 273Member
    Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

    We all know how good of a deal it seems, you pay once, play for life.

    It seems most people I have spoken to, still play and will play it mostly because it has no monthly fees and not so much because it is a VERY good game. The game is plagued with bugs and service failures, so I have to wonder if we would all be saying good things if this game had a subscription.

     

     

    But how many of you would keep playing this if it had subscription?

    Do you think this game is good enough to have one? 

     

    Thanks!

    The only REAL problems I have with the game right now are the WvWvW queues and the overflow situation. And yes, I understand how overflow works and am actually a fan of the idea. I just think ANet, in their haste to NOT repeat the mistake BW made opening up too many servers, has opened too few.

     

    Otherwise, I love the game. Would I pay a subscription for it? That question is immaterial as it's not how ANet does business. I AM pleased enough with the game and generally how ANet is running things (aside from the two glaring issues they have with account security and the problem they had with the authentication servers they put in place to help with the security) to periodically purchase some gems from the store. In all likelihood, I'll probably spend as much in gems as I would on a subscription, the difference being they're not COMPELLING me to pay.

  • kaiser3282kaiser3282 Phoenix, AZPosts: 2,690Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by sfc1971

    A pointless question, Areanet has done this before with the original GW and it makes the game what it is. The lack of a subscription fee also clearly shows in how the game is run. No subscription based game could get away with the sub-par customer support, lack of ingame GM's and no official forum while the official site is a clear "oh my god we can't handle the traffic" mess.

    A lot of kids wonder why some MMO's need a monthly fee and it is simple, adults have to pay for their own food. That means people working for a company demand a wage and that wage has to be payed out of income generated by the company. Most often through having customers pay for stuff.

    50 bucks for a boxed game is significantly less income then 50 bucks for a boxed game plus 12x15 bucks for a fee. Do the math. So either Areanet found a way to stop its employees from needing food or it hires significantly less of them.

    The original GW feel was much closer to a Korean game and GW2 is little different. The game itself is good but you do get the feeling that customer support is competely missing. Just imagine Blizzard just bring WoW down with a 3 minute notice. Everyone would scream bloody murder, your raid, your group just poof gone whenever Blizzard felt like releasing a trivial patch.

    Hell, there aren't even any patch notes, clearly communicating with its customers is at the moment restricted to the occasional twitter messages. Compare this to SOE community and the experience is clearly very different.

    So, would I pay a monthly fee for GW2? Duh. NO. Not for what they currently offer. It would be like asking if I would pay 3 michelin star prices for a McD burger. No. I MIGHT pay a premium for a real michelin chef created hamburger but NOT for a McD burger as it is right now. Not that said burgers are bad, they just aren't worth a higher price.

    GW2 is the game it is, louse customer support and all, thanks to it business model. If Areanet were to change its business model, it would have to change the game or at least how they operate it.

    A couple things wrong with your post:

    1) They dont just bring it down with a 3 minute warning. They announce in their status updates when they will be bringing down the server or pushing out patches, and its typically at Midnight PST every time. Not only that but the 3 minute warnings arent for server downs, theyre for client side patches, which means it kicks you, you spend a few second patching, and youre back in. When they actually bring the server down for work, not client side patches, they give 60 minute notices.

    2) I can only think of a handful of MMOs that actually provided good customer service, had active GMs, etc. Paying a sub does not ensure quality anything. Just look at some of the games that have launched in the past few years that have provided little to no customer service (maybe an automated response if youre lucky), have no active staff in-game assisting players, and let exploits run rampant throughout their games, and constantly promise "we're going to fix this issue, we swear" for months on end with no fixes. WAR, DCUO, Darkfall, etc. All horrible service, all sub games (yeah iI know about the F2P change with DCUO, but im talking when it hd subs at launch).

    3) Official forums were never even going to exist, just like they didnt in GW1, and instead they were going to let the community run their own like GWGuru (where some of the Anet staff were already active). It was never a problem with GW1, but now all of a sudden its a huge issue for some people, and shortly before launch they announced they will add forums, but its hardly a priority considering they almost never existed int he 1st place.

  • MiklosanMiklosan turkuPosts: 176Member

    No!

     

    The game is okej as free not more.

     

     

  • Beercan1974Beercan1974 GothenburgPosts: 12Member

    I don't know. I kind of like the game but it's more like having something different at the side of WoW. Not sure if I would like to pay 2 subs actually. Luckely, it's free:)

     

     

  • LordOfPitLordOfPit North Bay, ONPosts: 86Member
    I voted for "Maybe" but my vote was unrelated to bug-fixes. My vote is related to the fact that I love "owning" the games I play as much as I can and Lifetime Subscriptions are usually the way that I go whenever I can. If GW2 did actually have a subscription fee, but no Lifetime Subscription offer, I'd probably skip it and wait for Cryptics' Never Winter Online simply because NWO is F2P from the ground up, with no fees whatsoever.
  • CastillleCastillle KhobarPosts: 2,703Member Uncommon

    I probably wont. 

    I mean I like the game! Its fun n all!  But yknoe..I got games to buy and dont want to be hassled with a sub.  Borderlands 2 and Torchlight 2 out and I want to be able to sit there knowing that I can just play GW2 whenever I feel like  without worrying that the $15 I just spent on subs dont bite me back in the !@# when something like...Battle Realms or Starbound or Cubeworld preorders with early access comes up.

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  • ThaneThane berlinPosts: 2,232Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

    We all know how good of a deal it seems, you pay once, play for life.

    It seems most people I have spoken to, still play and will play it mostly because it has no monthly fees and not so much because it is a VERY good game. The game is plagued with bugs and service failures, so I have to wonder if we would all be saying good things if this game had a subscription.

     

     

    But how many of you would keep playing this if it had subscription?

    Do you think this game is good enough to have one? 

     

    Thanks!

    be honest, would you ead mud if would be free?

    dumbest question ever, why should i even think about it, gw is free from a sub.

     

     

    and as said before, if you cant stand the release of an mmo, play after it.

    thanks for the talk.

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  • deadmanbelldeadmanbell Central Coast California, CAPosts: 67Member Uncommon
    Just to support what others have said. I can come back to this whenever I feel like it and not feel bad. But I am already bored with this game and have moved on. I think this game is for the ADD gamer in your life. I don't enjoy the zerg party dynamics, I cant really tell what I am bashing on or who is doing the most damage etc.  I want something deeper even with worse graphics and grinding.
  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi LONDONPosts: 661Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Thane
    Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

    We all know how good of a deal it seems, you pay once, play for life.

    It seems most people I have spoken to, still play and will play it mostly because it has no monthly fees and not so much because it is a VERY good game. The game is plagued with bugs and service failures, so I have to wonder if we would all be saying good things if this game had a subscription.

     

     

    But how many of you would keep playing this if it had subscription?

    Do you think this game is good enough to have one? 

     

    Thanks!

    be honest, would you ead mud if would be free?

    dumbest question ever, why should i even think about it, gw is free from a sub.

     

     

    and as said before, if you cant stand the release of an mmo, play after it.

    thanks for the talk.

    You have totally missed the point. 

     

    My question is such because I get the feeling people are giving praise to GW2 on the basis it is free. And I wanted to know if you picked up that game and made it with subs, if people would still play it on the merits of game quality and content alone, not because it was free.

     

    There are some games in which people would be happy to pay subs because they are good, customer support is good and the updates come in a timely fashion.

    But there are other games who are free who unfortunately leave a lot to be desired.

  • MeowheadMeowhead New Carlisle, INPosts: 3,716Member
    Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

    My question is such because I get the feeling people are giving praise to GW2 on the basis it is free. And I wanted to know if you picked up that game and made it with subs, if people would still play it on the merits of game quality and content alone, not because it was free.

     

    There are some games in which people would be happy to pay subs because they are good, customer support is good and the updates come in a timely fashion.

    But there are other games who are free who unfortunately leave a lot to be desired.

     There are some people who don't want to play subs, and still think a lot of those sub paying games are shitty enough they wouldn't play them if they were completely free.

    Your poll is hardly scientific. :<

    Actually, correction.  Your poll is downright horrible, and poorly written and extremely biased.

    It's practically useless. :(

  • ToxiaToxia Lake Charles, LAPosts: 1,319Member Uncommon

    Yes.

    Ive alreadsy bought a pirate outfit and stuff to show my support anyways.

    The Deep Web is sca-ry.

  • kol56kol56 gbfbfg, KYPosts: 124Member
    Originally posted by Meowhead
    Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

    My question is such because I get the feeling people are giving praise to GW2 on the basis it is free. And I wanted to know if you picked up that game and made it with subs, if people would still play it on the merits of game quality and content alone, not because it was free.

     

    There are some games in which people would be happy to pay subs because they are good, customer support is good and the updates come in a timely fashion.

    But there are other games who are free who unfortunately leave a lot to be desired.

     There are some people who don't want to play subs, and still think a lot of those sub paying games are shitty enough they wouldn't play them if they were completely free.

    Your poll is hardly scientific. :<

    Actually, correction.  Your poll is downright horrible, and poorly written and extremely biased.

    It's practically useless. :(

    Oh no he didn't !!!

     

    Now let's be serious... if something biased is useless and horrible, we are all screwed.

    It's just a poll with a little bit of baiting, but it actually makes sense in a weird way.

    Why so hostile? such strong words!

    At least there is a cute face at the end, that was good.

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  • MeowheadMeowhead New Carlisle, INPosts: 3,716Member
    Originally posted by kol56

    Oh no he didn't !!!

     

    Now let's be serious... if something biased is useless and horrible, we are all screwed.

    It's just a poll with a little bit of baiting, but it actually makes sense in a weird way.

    Why so hostile? such strong words!

    At least there is a cute face at the end, that was good.

     Why?  Because horribly done polls are one of my pet peeves.  I don't like it when politicians do it, but at least they're doing it... y'know, well.  (Or better, anyway)

    In MMORPG.com it's almost completely filled with polls that are horribly biased, deeply flawed AND poorly written.

    They're no good for getting any sort of useful information out of, and they're mostly added because somebody thinks they're being really clever.

    ... and when the answer shows something they don't want (Despite it being horribly written and slanted), nobody ever mans up and goes 'Well, crap, I was wrong, data shows my opinion is more worthless than usual!".

    So I'm on protest against bad polls.  (No matter whether I agree with the poll maker or not.)

    Sort of like some people don't like hearing about kittens being abused, I don't like polls being abused. :)

     

  • zxcvbnm1234zxcvbnm1234 qwerPosts: 92Member
    i find unnecessary to pay gw2 monthly fee. because only sandboxes can take ma money.
  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi LONDONPosts: 661Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Speire
    i find unnecessary to pay gw2 monthly fee. because only sandboxes can take ma money.

    Same with me, but sadly there are not that many sandboxes out there who I would gladly pay.

  • YamotaYamota LondonPosts: 6,620Member
    No probably not, maybe for a month or so. ThemeParks dont have staying power to warrant a sub. fee.
  • shiner421shiner421 seattle, WAPosts: 70Member
    I wouldnt hesitate to play this game even if it had a $20 a month sub. I refuse to play other sub games as they are not what I am looking for.
  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Somewhere in nowherePosts: 2,319Member Uncommon

    "What if" questions are always sort of pointless, it doesn't have a sub, that's reality.

    But heck, yeah I'd play it, but only if they got rid of some other things in the game first (cash shop + sub isn't acceptable for me).

    Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!

  • GolelornGolelorn Hiding From Social Media Peeping Toms, ALPosts: 1,099Member Uncommon
    Nope. The gameplay is way too boring and predictable. Pretty disappointed, but then again it is a MMO. So, par for the course. Good job on being totally unoriginal Anet.
  • bunnyhopperbunnyhopper LondonPosts: 2,751Member
    Probably not, no.

    "Come and have a look at what you could have won."

  • koljanekoljane BelgradePosts: 127Member Uncommon

    GW2 is as any other MMO that came after WOW, good for like 1-3 months and that is it. Big, BIG + is that there is no sub that is fair considering that ppl who are behing GW2 knew that their game would go in flame after 1st month if they have put any amount of money as monthly fee.

    Their is nothing revolutionary in GW2 cause nothing can even be in MMO`s as gender. WOW will take down not only itselfe but the whole gender.

    All MMO`s on the market should go F2P because they dont offer anything special no more.

  • kartoolkartool Hamilton, ONPosts: 472Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by loulaki
    Originally posted by Thillian
     

    This game is actually not for explorers. The world isn't interesting enough. It is not EXPLORING if you just FOLLOW your mark on the map to the nearest VISTA. That's just blindly following a quest tracker or vista tracker in this matter. 

    Exploration is if you're actually not following your map to the next vista, Exploration is if you go off the path, which is impossible in GW2, because GW2 has some attraction on every step (anti-exploration) and you can't really find anything special, which wouldn't be marked on the map already before you discovered it. GW2 world is too small and too filled up with all these mini attractions, which can be seen on your map long before you actually discover them.

    if you play the game press "H" and then look at achievments at the explore section, and count how many achievments are for secret jumping quests which are not in the map, and for each one you need at least 1 hour if you dont read spoil-guides about them, ah yes there is no indication for these in your map ^^

    Platforming doesn't belong in MMO's especially when playing a Norn character and the camera gets stupid anytime you try to do a jumping puzzle.

    This is actually one of the worst things in the game - Anet didn't do a good job with the jumping puzzles. SWTOR and  TSW did it as well and platforming is a terrible trend in MMO's lately.  I like platformers when the game is designed as a platformer but slapping it into an MMO where the controls aren't nearly responsive enough and the camera doesn't work right on certain character models... well it's just idiotic. 

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