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We need GW2 to fail

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  • YakkinYakkin irvine, CAPosts: 919Member

    Moneymakers don't care about innovation/revolution/invention or whatever the hell buzzword gets thrown around these days unless it works in their best interests. Having a crash MIGHT revitalize the industry of MMOs, or it could just say that MMOs simply aren't worth the investment, and thus no one will invest. The only MMOs you would get as a result of this supposed crash are the ones from tiny budgets and probably filled with bugs and problems, or previously established ones, like WoW.

    Granted I won't deny that they could do much better than they are doing right now, but I'm not sure having a crash will give a guaranteed for improvements. Heck it might just make things worse.

    And WoW would still be king of the wastelands.

    Also, you are an ass to your wife and kid.

  • redcloud16redcloud16 Seattle, WAPosts: 222Member

    A prison mmorpg

    A cowboy themed mmorpg

    A zombie mmorpg

    We need to be able to build towns , cities , houses , use our webcams so we can put our faces on our toons, upload jpegs so we can add custom logos to our creations.

    Upload mp3s so we can put custom music in our houses , we need 1 server so we can play with millions of people.

     

    I was going to agree with you, until I got to about this part. 

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  • RebelScum99RebelScum99 Mesa, AZPosts: 1,090Member
    Originally posted by Thebigthrill

     

     A prison mmorpg

     

     

    Not sure I'd want a prison MMO.   The shower room rape boss is pretty brutal.

  • solarinesolarine IstanbulPosts: 1,203Member

    OK, first, you have to realize there's no toast. YOU'RE toast.

    And then, no we need no games to fail. Ever. Things don't work that way. For example, variety in games doesn't diminish because of successful games, it does so because of unsuccessful ones.

     

  • QuirhidQuirhid TamperePosts: 5,969Member Common

    All joking aside, the most startling thing about this thread is that the OP has offspring.

    This is a serious.

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  • adam_noxadam_nox hays, KSPosts: 2,036Member Uncommon
    If your 9 year old can't operate a toaster, you probably already failed.
  • lifeordinarylifeordinary AgadirPosts: 646Member
    Originally posted by adam_nox
    If your 9 year old can't operate a toaster, you probably already failed.

    Hahaha..thanks for making me laugh. That was funny as hell..lol!!

  • Chopper_LoverChopper_Lover Baguio CityPosts: 20Member
    Originally posted by Thebigthrill

    I was thinking this morning at my kitchen table when my 9 yearold son woke up and walked in. He said dad can you make me some toast?

    No I wont make you toast today son. He asked me why and I told him I always make him toast , his mother never makes him toast.

    Go wake up your mom and tell her to make you some toast. He started to cry and went to wake her up.

    A few minutes later his mother appeared and asked me why I wont make him toast, hes crying. I told her its because I didnt feel motivated to make good toast , I had no competition from her since she always let me make the toast.

    Now as I sat at the table thinking some more I realized that is what mmorpg's need but in order for that to happen we need Guild Wars 2 to fail along with the secret world and all future mmorpg's.

    We need a mmorpg crash similar to the video game crash of the 80's. We need it to be clear to future developers that we need innovation and competition.

    Not copying.

    The secret world sucks , SWTOR was a disaster and hopefully GW2 will bomb.

    That way in the future we can have as I suggested before....

     

     

    A prison mmorpg

    A cowboy themed mmorpg

    A zombie mmorpg

    We need to be able to build towns , cities , houses , use our webcams so we can put our faces on our toons, upload jpegs so we can add custom logos to our creations.

    Upload mp3s so we can put custom music in our houses , we need 1 server so we can play with millions of people.

    Mhan, those are awesome ideas! But I really can't imagine how difficult that would be on the developer's side. I'm not saying it's not possible. It will be too difficult but worth it.

     

     

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  • Yodi2007Yodi2007 Valdosta, GAPosts: 167Member
    Originally posted by Thebigthrill 

    A prison mmorpg

    A cowboy themed mmorpg

    A zombie mmorpg

    We need to be able to build towns , cities , houses , use our webcams so we can put our faces on our toons, upload jpegs so we can add custom logos to our creations.

    Upload mp3s so we can put custom music in our houses , we need 1 server so we can play with millions of people.

     

    1. A Prison MMO.... not sure how this would workout but I know i would never play such a game unless the prison is set in a hi-tech future on a massive planet!

    2. Wild West MMO ! Might be interesting but would require some high creative writing to pull ppl into this genre!

    3. Zombie mmo well this already kinda exists in fantasy mmo's (undead). Again this would be in a high-tech world!

    4. i can agree about towns and homes! TSW can still add Apartments to the game!

    5. One True server well it can work but the world will still be broken into by servers. The technology isn't there yet to make one true seemless world.

    6. Music into our own house ingame! well this will work as long as the home is instanced only on your pc! Why you ask? Because the devs/publisher will have to pay for royalties to use in game! 

    Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5164689#5164689

  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member

    *Sigh* this again.

    It always amuses me when people shout 'failure breeds innovation!'.

    Think for 1 second and see if you can find a product that innovated a lot in the last decade then re-read the thought you had; 'failure breeds innovation'. Then calmly think to yourself why you thought wrongly and how to avoid that mistake in the future.

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    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • DrachasorDrachasor Columbus, OHPosts: 2,678Member

    GW2 moves a good distance away from the WoW formula.  If it failed, then we'd see less innovation, not more as people kept sticking to copying WoW.

    Edit:  Oh, I forgot this was the thread with the guy who made his kid cry over toast (and then had his kid go wake up mom for the toast).

  • SpellshaperSpellshaper PraguePosts: 383Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    That was the stupidest thing I've read in a while, and what's more obnoxious is that you put GW2 in the title just to get more hits.

    This

    +1

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  • IG-88IG-88 GrandosPosts: 143Member
    Eh...maybe you should stick to making toast for your son?
  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    I really hope that's just a story to try and illustrate your point.

    Anyway, if all MMORPG fail to make money, why would developers continue to make MMORPG? When MMORPG are so expensive that most Indie developers cannot make them, why would Indie developers make MMORPG?

    If the MMORPG genre "crashed", there wouldn't be any MMORPG developed. The best you could hope for would be Minecraft style 100 or 200 people servers.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member
    Originally posted by Thebigthrill

    A prison mmorpg

    A cowboy themed mmorpg

    A zombie mmorpg

     

    DayZ comes to mind immediately. yeah

  • MrRealityMrReality Bayonne, NJPosts: 43Member
    This is true OP because If I ate toast everyday I would eventually get sick of it. I'm not quite sure some understood what you were trying to say.
  • UkihaUkiha BCNPosts: 58Member
    I has a toast :)))
  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 18,029Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Thebigthrill

    I was thinking this morning at my kitchen table when my 9 yearold son woke up and walked in. He said dad can you make me some toast?

    No I wont make you toast today son. He asked me why and I told him I always make him toast , his mother never makes him toast.

    Go wake up your mom and tell her to make you some toast. He started to cry and went to wake her up.

    A few minutes later his mother appeared and asked me why I wont make him toast, hes crying. I told her its because I didnt feel motivated to make good toast , I had no competition from her since she always let me make the toast.

    Now as I sat at the table thinking some more I realized that is what mmorpg's need but in order for that to happen we need Guild Wars 2 to fail along with the secret world and all future mmorpg's.

    We need a mmorpg crash similar to the video game crash of the 80's. We need it to be clear to future developers that we need innovation and competition.

    Not copying.

    The secret world sucks , SWTOR was a disaster and hopefully GW2 will bomb.

    That way in the future we can have as I suggested before....

    A prison mmorpg

    A cowboy themed mmorpg

    A zombie mmorpg

    We need to be able to build towns , cities , houses , use our webcams so we can put our faces on our toons, upload jpegs so we can add custom logos to our creations.

    Upload mp3s so we can put custom music in our houses , we need 1 server so we can play with millions of people.

    The crash have already happened. Wow started to bleed players fast over a year ago and EAs most expensive game ever failed miserably and decided to go F2P less than 8 months after release. While a few games have done OK like Rift most of them have gone really bad.

    We do need GW2 to be a success or noone will invest in the genre again, and we would have to live with really badly made indie games like Mortal online for a long time.

    But it shouldt succeed to well either.

    In my perfect scenario the MMO genre are topped by 3 large and different game. GW2, Class 4 and World of darkness online would be perfect. GW2 becuase it actually tries to be different and while it is nowhere near so newthinking like games like Archeage it is the first AAA MMO trying to be different, and it is really well made.

    But someone also needs to prove that other games than fantasy level based game can make money.

    Class 4s different mechanics and zombia apocalypse world is perfect addition since it try to do things very differently but still have some really great names working on it (like lead designer Jaff Strain) and a really good budget.

    World of darkness online both because it is a player driven sandbox and because it tries to make a MMO as close to a pen and paper RPG as possible, and CCP is probably the most competent sandbox devs out there in the MMO world at least.

    But if GW2 fail as well as TOR while Wow continue to loose players many investors might consider MMOs as a sure way to loose money and might pull the plug on many promising projects. Someone must prove that you still can make money on MMOs, preferably without copying Wow.

  • CastillleCastillle KhobarPosts: 2,703Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Magnetia
    How hard is it to make toast? Put bread in toaster, push button down and wait.

    Must be one of those new fandangled "electronic" toasters with a computer on it!  Why, back in my day we just had toasters like what you are describing! You push the button down then wait for it to pop out! If you wanted it lightly toasted, you wait for however long it takes and pop it out yourself!  These new e-lectronic toasters suck!

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  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 18,029Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by itgrowls
    Originally posted by Thebigthrill

    A prison mmorpg

    A cowboy themed mmorpg

    A zombie mmorpg

    DayZ comes to mind immediately. yeah

    Phew, Class 4 for the win every day.

    Yeah, the picture is from Class 3 which is a introduction to the MMO and a reguklar multiplayer game instead of a MMO.

  • UtukuMoonUtukuMoon ParisPosts: 1,066Member
    Originally posted by Eir_S
    That was the stupidest thing I've read in a while, and what's more obnoxious is that you put GW2 in the title just to get more hits.

    I like GW2 as much as the next person but do you actually like the game as much as you are making out? Seems to me you spend most of your time defending or rebuffing anyone  on these forums who has a different take on GW2 than you have.

    How do you find time to play the game?

    Go play your game,ArenaNet don't need you to be they're knight in shining armour for god sake.

    Fans like you do GW2 more harm than good.

    I don't agree with the OP but then again it really does not bother me what people think about GW2,unlike you.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIPosts: 4,249Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jpnz

    *Sigh* this again.

    It always amuses me when people shout 'failure breeds innovation!'.

    Think for 1 second and see if you can find a product that innovated a lot in the last decade then re-read the thought you had; 'failure breeds innovation'. Then calmly think to yourself why you thought wrongly and how to avoid that mistake in the future.

    I hear that...

    Innovation can sometimes breed success if it's value added, but:

    -failure WILL NOT breed innovation.

    -if making a certain type of game, such as a theme park, results in failure, a company WILL NOT move on to a design with an even worse track record for success.

    -the old "themepark vs. sandbox" argument is irrelevent in this day and age.  In the end, most players want CHOICES.  Tons of 'em.  They don't want to be railroaded down a path, nor do they want to be dumped into an MMO that's better described as "etch a sketch online".  People want a game where, no matter which direction they run, they'll find a crapload of different things they can participate in.

    GW2 has that.  It doesn't have to be a sandbox to acheive it. 

    But hey... ya want sandboxy-ness... try being a cook.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Castillle
    Originally posted by Magnetia How hard is it to make toast? Put bread in toaster, push button down and wait.
    Must be one of those new fandangled "electronic" toasters with a computer on it!  Why, back in my day we just had toasters like what you are describing! You push the button down then wait for it to pop out! If you wanted it lightly toasted, you wait for however long it takes and pop it out yourself!  These new e-lectronic toasters suck!


    You could probably teach a 9 year old child how to make toast, even on one of the new toasters. They'll probably be better at it anyway.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Loke666

    Originally posted by itgrowls

    Originally posted by Thebigthrill A prison mmorpg A cowboy themed mmorpg A zombie mmorpg
    DayZ comes to mind immediately. yeah
    Phew, Class 4 for the win every day.

    image

    Yeah, the picture is from Class 3 which is a introduction to the MMO and a reguklar multiplayer game instead of a MMO.



    If it's not on a PC, it didn't happen.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • Stryx74Stryx74 Goose Creek, SCPosts: 65Member
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Toast is a crap breakfast.

    Seriously, you've got a growing boy there, a quick shot of simple carbs just isn't going to cut it. I recommend you at least include a generous helping of image.

    On a side note, I made toast in GW2 yesterday, all by myself.

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