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I'm actually have a blast personally, now. At first it was a little meh, but then I joined a guild, participated in a lot of WvW as well as took up some crafting, and it's becoming absolutely addictive.
But then, I went in without paying any major attention to the hype.
It's kind of funny, thinking about the folks asking cae for links. I know I've spent a way too much time here and there disccussing GW2; so I went looking for my posts. When I did not find them, it dawned on me - they weren't here. They had been over in the SWTOR and TSW beta boards; because every where you turned - there were GW2 fanbois like a plague of locusts. Then again, back on the RIFT beta boards - it was the SWTOR folks. Was it a case that cae was on some forum where the invading fanbois of some other game were invading?
Of course, cae could be making the whole thing up. Then again, I might still be asleep in the bed behind me. I haven't had enough caffeine yet to decide....
It could be a pseudo elaborate troll - that works simply because of the psychological traits of fanbois. Keep in mind, haters tend to have that same traits - so they are equally simple to troll in such a manner.
Tinfoil hat time, I believe that some fanbois and haters have even used it to their own advantage. It was the main reason I wanted to comment on this thread - the bit about how things get lumped in together.
As for the tinfoil hat thing, the more silly complaints and positives that are posted - the more likely that legitimate complaints and positives are going to be ignored and lumped in with that silly fanboi/hater nonsense.
Then we get into the obvious part that's ignored. I don't like green beans. Nobody's going to convince me that I do. There are people that do like green beans. Nobody's going to convince them that they do not. People do not spend countless hours trying to convince the other that they are wrong - when discussing green beans; but dayum - bring up opinions on a MMO...and bazinga - both sides go to town. They're opinnions - it's subjective. It doesn't work that way.
Sure, there might be the rare factual discussion that takes place - those are always odd - tends to be one side or the other just trolling...or...in denial, delusional, whatever...
But those subjective discussions are just a trip - mind boggling, to say the least.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
I believe in god, and i believe he turns the ankles of the lost so that we may see them coming. It was a tough pill for me to swallow when I looked back at my posts, and had to witness the type of fanboi I used to be, completely identical to half of the posters in this thread. But once you start seeing things objectively you have such a great understanding of it all. I believe god taught me that lesson for a reason, and if you are trying to make a mockery of my faith, well that says enough about you.
I appreciate your contribution to this thread, while I don't agree with everything you are conveying, I appreciate that it is coming from a very civil and reasonable place.
Thats what i m thinking
It's amazing how ppl are still looking for "The Next Big Thing", the "Perfect Game". Please wake up, if you put these kind of expectations on any game you most likely is going to be always disapointed.
Is GW2 perfect? Of course not! Are there things I would add or cnage? Of coursde yes!
But still, for me, it's a great game! It's fun, it has great graphics, great character creation, the story is interesting, I like the mechanics, the music, the open world, the cities. I am having fun!
I feel sorry for those who expected something revolutionary because it is not, it's just one very good game. Try to have fun like most of us, come on.
Which makes you an unrepented sinner, but hey have fun with that and the burning that will happen afterwards.
That's the rub of it, no? Different people had different expectations. Different people experienced different results based on those different expectations. If somebody expected X, but got Y - and Y < X - well, then they're not going to be happy. If somebody expected Y and got Y, well - they're going to be fine, right? Somebody might have expected Z, but gotten Y - where Y > Z; and they could have been pleasantly surprised. It's that simple in many cases.
Subjective expectations. Subjective experiences. Subjective opinions.
Yet there's the need to prove somebody wrong or somebody else right?
Mind boggling...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
I think you ARE the first! everyone else is still waiting around with their pitchforks and torches to march on the unbelievers...
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
That's because you, like a lot of people, don't understand what trolling is or what it isn't. The term became popular despite it's actual meaning and used for things that are not trolling. Saying "trolls see things more clearly than the anti-trolls" shows that you, like tons of others, call anything you don't agree with trolling.
This game was vastly overhyped. I think anet was too concerned about pleasing their fanboys than making a great game. So far, its a good game with some nice changes but most of the game is a perfect example of what happens when you let players who have no idea how to make a video game dictate how to make a video game.
"Oh you guys are sick of the trinity? Alright lets make dungeons a total wipefest."
"Oh you guys want skill based combat? Here, put on a weapon and the game tells you what to do. Also heres two dodges and one heal."
Example of a personal attack: "Your mother was a hamster and your father smellt of elder berries."
What is happening here: we are bringing up the fact that none of your claims about being a fanboy in the past can be shown. If you do have a posting history, it isn't here, so why not link some of your mistaken claims to show us HOW you were wrong, break down these "past conversations" and dissect your wrongdoing. It would give you the credibility we say you are lacking.
It appears to me that, of the ways that you can gain credibilty, "look, my post count is bigger than yours" don't seem to appeal to you, and saying things with lots of objective information (links, posting history, comparison charts of false claims and actual results) doesn't seem to be in your style. Maybe try using some other method (this might help a bit).
Now, in fairness, my opinions are all completely moot, as forums are completely devoid of any requirement for facts, credibility, listening to what others say, or rational responses. I guess it is up to other posters to call offenders out on these things...
Lastly, I certainly am not going to admit to being wrong about this game. I enjoy the game immensely. To me, that is what matters.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
Yep, that's another fun one in discussions about games (and it's spread all over the place, to be honest). If somebody disagrees with you (not you, paroxysm - just one of those general "you" things) - there's no possibility that there could be any validity to what they're saying; even if it's a case of it being an obviously subjective difference where they're sharing their feelings on a matter (looking at a picture of a kitten - one person might get all warm and gushy while another remembers their kitten that died; so they feel sad)...if the other person does not agree, they must be trolling.
All those Republicans be trolling the Democrats, man...they be trolling. Or was it the Democrats that are trolling the Republicans? They be trolling each other, and if you disagree with what I say - you be trolling...unless of course, you're looking at it from your perspective and see that I'm disagreeing with you - - - then I'm the one trolling. Oh noes, everybody be trolling!
It's definitely one of those words that has lost its meaning and is used incorrectly almost all the time...meh.
Anybody that does not agree 100% with something you (again, not YOU - but just a you) - is obviously a trolling fanboi or trolling hater...meh.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
It's because the term "troll" is often (and typically) used by closed-minded and intolerant people to describe anyone whose opinion doesn't reflect their own. It's a lazy way for people to avoid having to actually address a differing opinion in an intelligent manner. Text-book ad-hominem.
The "trolls" often see things more clearly because they're not actually trolls to begin with. They're just not blinded by and emotionally wrapped up in the hype over a game and are willing to see its flaws as well as its features.
Goes something like this:
Person A: "GW2 is amazing! Best MMO ever!"
Person B: "It does look and sound good, but here's a few things that I'm not so crazy about...."
Person A: "OMG, go away troll. I'm sick of you haters not agreeing with me! Stop posting so I can go on believing that my opinion is the only valid one!"
Why dont you post with your real forum name instead, or are you so afraid that your real forum name is one of troll who keeps bashing GW2?
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
Part of your problem was believing in the hype to begin with. It was a (known) marketing tool. GW2 was never going to be the savior, messiah, or whatever other rediculous title that was awarded. No game ever will be. Think about it... in order for that to be true almost EVERY player would have to love and support the game. And we all know thats an impossibility since every gamer is different. Throw in the fact of the evolutionary changes and that in and of itself alienates a portion of the gamers. Some gamers simply wont like that. So how is that comment even believeable?
Even the issues are subjective. Some gamers (such as myself) dont allow the issues to detract from the value I recieve from the game. Others will feel the opposite.
So what exactly are you admitting here?
I am not concerned about the OP's posting history, he made his point, he said his piece.
Honestly I am an MMO skeptic so I don't jump on the Fanboi bus very often. GW2 is a good game, it is Fun but for me it isn't very satisfying, though it has provided tons of forum entertainment challenging the Fanbois proclamations on its supposed genre Superoirity.
I do hope that it becomes an AMAZING success for years to come....
Because it optimizes everything I see wrong with the MMO genre ( Solo play, No risk only reward, ADHD progression, Themeparks) and if it can convince the Masses to never play another MMO then DEVs will be forced to make something different and prehaps even go back to the traditonal MMO elements from back in the day like Grouping, Challenge and Risk in a Virtual world.
Nice of you to admit it. I have been saying for a while now that GW 2 is just a solid ThemePark MMO and that is what it is. After a few months, those people who thinks this game is so awesome, will realise this as well because I heard the same type of praising for SW:TOR. But when you look at both games objectively they really are not doing something different.
The gameplay is still the same linear progression through level bracketed zones and quests with the difference that the quests behave differently in the sense that you dont walk up to an NPC but rather just bump into them (or in the case of heart quests, look them up in the map).
PvP is not much different, the WvWvW looks quite similar to WAR'r or DAoC's RvR. The instanced one is also similar to WAR or WOW with the (dis)advantage that everyone gets bumped up to max level.
So even though this game have alot of novelties, like that you can fight when you are downed, weapon swapping and attunement and what not, at the core it is just another ThemePark. A good, solid one, but still most people will get bored in a few months and move on. That is the nature of ThemePark MMOs.
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Indeed. Yesterday, I was talking to my nephew. He described a situation in an fps game where he "trolled" someone. He was all happy about it. I proceeded to explain to him that what he did was not trolling, how trolling is a bad thing, and how he was just being a jerk to the other player. Hoping he got it. It took forever for him to learn about how cheating at games was cheating yourself. I explained and explained. But he couldn't see it until he did it himself and saw how boring the game got, how none of it was his skill, and how it cut short his fun. Listening to him lamenting how stupid cheating at games is was awesome. Saying things like "I wonder how good they are without their cheats." gave me a little spark of hope.
I accept your apologies, OP
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Im trying to figure out what everyone was expecting? I thought ArenaNET was transparent in what they were delivering. And its execution IS different from what we have today and its in that where I enjoy the game.
But it being the best thing ever, I dont see any game holding that title ever. All games have flaws and limitations.
This, the forum PvP is just for those who like a rumble, if you like a game you are a fanboy/girl, if you dislike it you are a troll. I didn't bring down ToR with my pithy comments and no one here will bring down GW2 or make it succeed, it's all just froth and the appeal of the game is the coffee.
You keep mentioning this "crowd" you wronged and how you want to communicate your regret to them. Seeing as how you won't reveal who you are, where you did it and what you did, the apology is pointless.
Even as a trolling attempt, this is pathetic.
A bit more like this:
Person A: "I don't like GW2 because (insert made up issue about a feature/mechanic that they read somewhere from another troll but havent experienced)"
Person B: "That's not right at all. It actually works like this (insert actual information from the game)"
Person A: Completely ignore corrections to their lies / misconceptions and "OMG you fanbois are so blind to everything. You cant see the truth that I see. Im smarter than all of you because I know (repeat made up issue again, even though they still havent played or are just too stupid to understand simple things in MMOs)"