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Originally posted by Eir_S Originally posted by Mannish You dont get it what I am saying. Lets assume Guild Wars 2 is a pay to play mmo. You got to try the game in beta and said to your self this is the mmo that I have been waiting for. You would not pay a sub for it?
The MMOs I wait for don't forcibly extract money out of me on a monthly basis to run the same content. Why would I assume something of a game that is finally breaking the expected conventions? It doesn't have a sub, thus I would not pay a sub. Threads like this are utterly pointless. I don't live in some hypothetical world.
Nevermind brah, LMAO
I'm not playing the game now...I'm deferring my purchase until probably the first patch. However, I would not be playing the game if it had a sub. A lot of people would see this as a reflection of GW2's value. I see it as I'm tired of paying subscriptions and feeling like I'm wasting money if I'm not playing the game every day.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Cash shops are awful for core game design. I prefer subs. Saying that, GW2 at least lets me play for everything in the shop... and it is good enough for me to tolerate the obvious decisions that I have seen that are blatantly based on promoting the use of the shop.
Originally posted by lizardbones I'm not playing the game now...I'm deferring my purchase until probably the first patch. However, I would not be playing the game if it had a sub. A lot of people would see this as a reflection of GW2's value. I see it as I'm tired of paying subscriptions and feeling like I'm wasting money if I'm not playing the game every day.
I kinda got that same feeling when I started working alot more. I did not have the time to put in a game like I used to so that made me question paying a sub fee for a game.
I probably wouldn't seeing as how I don't have the time to get a full amount of gameplay a month for a $15 sub fee. It feels a tad bit broken as is right now but not too terrible. I am enjoying for the reason that it doesn't have a sub. I don't have to force myself to play hardcore to feel like I am getting my $15 worth every month.
Originally posted by remyburke The game is pretty amazing. All those that are hating on it are obviously allergic to fun. Seriously guys, if you don't enjoy GW2 for what it is, I think it's time to just walk away, because nothing is ever going to please you. Have fun being miserable.
I agree. Of the people that I know playing they are having a blast. I seldom if ever see anything negative in the game chat, it is very refreshing to read things about game content and not about someones mother. The game is definately keeping people entertained!
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Originally posted by Mannish Originally posted by lizardbones I'm not playing the game now...I'm deferring my purchase until probably the first patch. However, I would not be playing the game if it had a sub. A lot of people would see this as a reflection of GW2's value. I see it as I'm tired of paying subscriptions and feeling like I'm wasting money if I'm not playing the game every day.
Around £2.50 a week for a sub...
I am not sure how little I would actually have to be able to play to question that kind of money. 30 mins a week maybe?
If I honestly had this little time to be playing the game I honestly would not even be playing a MMORPG. That's just me though.
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Kind of a foolish question, really. Would you still play it if it only had 3 classes? What if you couldn't use a mouse?
It doesn't have a sub fee, it has more than three classes, and you can use a mouse. I play it and I like it.
Honestly, I don't know that I am playing another sub fee game in the future. I think that those days are past for me.
Originally posted by Vesavius Originally posted by Mannish Originally posted by lizardbones I'm not playing the game now...I'm deferring my purchase until probably the first patch. However, I would not be playing the game if it had a sub. A lot of people would see this as a reflection of GW2's value. I see it as I'm tired of paying subscriptions and feeling like I'm wasting money if I'm not playing the game every day.
I will not pay to play a mmo if I dont have the time to actually sit down and enjoy playing it. Its not about the $15 because its not alot of money at all.
Originally posted by Mannish Originally posted by Vesavius Originally posted by Mannish Originally posted by lizardbones I'm not playing the game now...I'm deferring my purchase until probably the first patch. However, I would not be playing the game if it had a sub. A lot of people would see this as a reflection of GW2's value. I see it as I'm tired of paying subscriptions and feeling like I'm wasting money if I'm not playing the game every day.
oh, I agree Mannish, the sub is actually a pittance. How much time per week makes that £2.50 a worthwhile spend to you though?
Like I say, mine is probably 30mins at least. Maybe an hour. If I played less then that I definitely would question the value of a sub. I agree with you though, if I had this little time to spend in the game I wouldn't choose a MMO as my genre.
How little would you have to play before you feel like you are 'wasting' money? You really feel like you need to be playing 'every day' in order to get value out of that £2.50? Was that a literal statement?
i voted taht i dont pay subs for any game jsut because the poll its missing options.
If GW2 had a sub i would play it the same way i play WoW. In WoW i dont pay for more than 2-4 months in a year because i dislike subscriptions. I like the game so i play the free month and then within the year i alternate 2-4 months of sub, no more than that and only for WoW because i love its lore with a passion, nothing else. GW2 is amazing and the B2P model is perfect so ill be playing GW2 for a long time and buying expansions and some vanities here and there as i see fit.
Ive bought every new sub based mmo and i only have played the first free month in all of them. Only WoW i payed like 5 months total since i bought it.
B2P for life (for me)
I wouldn't pay a sub myself, I find it hard to log in and play for more than a couple of hours at the moment, the DE's actually got a bit tiresome for me, was hoping things would get a bit more exciting as I progressed but they just rinse and repeat the map objectives for every zone. I also don't feel connected to my character for some reason, might be because of the fairly basic character creation or possibly the fact my character has a predetermined voice and scripting for my story, something I hated in swtor (sorry to bring that game up, had to), I personally think they really could of added some fun features like adding fortresses around the world to defend etc, I know this is basically what happens in pvp but I think some open world pvp or tower defence against npc's would be fun for the game.
So no I wouldn't sub, but at least as it is now it's always going to be there should I feel like playing.
If this game isn't worth a monthly fee, then NO game is worth a monthly fee.
That said, the game's design is such that if you really like the game you'll probably have to buy gems at least for shared storage. Even with separate crafting storage, shared storage fills up pretty fast.
So while I'm glad they don't charge a sub fee, I've happily paid for gems to unlock additional storage, and may even buy some more character slots.
No, if they decided to add a sub model. I wouldnt play it any more if I already own it. Because that will be a bait and switch. One of the reason why Guild wars sold alot in the first place becuase it was buy to play. It wouldnt seem like GWs if they turned it into a sub model mid way.
No I not cheap as I do pay subs to other mmos one at a time.It just it should stay a buy 2 play model which what worked for the game.
Probably not, the reason being i like to play other games and having that MMO sub monkey around my neck is more a chore these days.
It's not a finacial matter as i will be spending in the ingame store, it's just that when i sub to a game i find i have to play, rather than doing as i do now and enjoy many games, across many genres and platforms.
No, I think not.
While it's a well-made game, the "content" itself (other than the basics like the artwork, environments and sounds) is just not really high caliber in my opinion. And the systems do not have enough variety. I pay for either variety of systems or depth of content. SWTOR and TSW has rich stories. WOW has rich endgame and a variety of systems. From what I've seen, GW2 has none of that.
It's a good game to step into and explore, and I *am* enjoying myself doing just that, but that's going to take, what? A month? More or less.
So, yeah, as things stand, to me this seems like a solid one-month game with a lot of "above averages" and almost nothing brilliant except for the artwork. If they added some more systems (preferably non-combat ones to start with) and much more story of much higher quality, I could think of paying a sub.
I feel the same way as Lizard. I have a RIFT sub, but I haven't played it in about 2 month. Some other games drew me away for a while. I don't plan on renewing that subscription when it expires. I don't plan on playing Blade and Soul or any other game that comes out with a sub. None of them are worth it.
So no, GW2 isn't worth a sub, but neither is any other game out on the market right now. Lineage was the only game I ever played worth a sub, but that was because it included everything for the price. No sub game sells you the entire game for just a sub fee anymore. They all sell RMT gold, or have cash shops, or sell "bonus" material through their account services, or sell the xpacs. Subs aren't worth the money.
F2P or, in this case, B2P let me play games with my son and wife that I wouldn't otherwise play with them. I'm not doing that with a sub game. They aren't worth that much money.
It depends on the model. I wouldnt do a B2P for 60 dollars and a sub.
But if they dropped the B2P I would sub for 3-4 months (covering the same sixty dollars I wouldnt mind investing to begin with).
From my perspective the sub model is dead for me. My last attempt at a sub will be FFXIV 2.0 and Im not sure if that will win me over. I just have an issue paying a monthly fee for a game that I wont be able to play everyday. I much prefer a cash shop where I can pay when I want for exactly what I want for ala cart.
Originally posted by afhn2110 Game is a step back from GW1 imo...I can't stand it
Those are pretty strong words! GW1 really sucked.
Originally posted by abyss404 I'm sorry, but everytime I see someone complain about paying a sub. all I see is "I'm cheap and need to get a better job so I stop thinking of $15 a month as the end of the proverbial world".
You gotta realize that some of us don t have alot of time so often we dont get our moneys worth......Others like to play multiple MMOs....They dont want that 15 per game to turn into 100+ a month.
For me, it's not the amount of money. I've already bought 2 months worth of sub in gems to open up more storage space.
It's just the idea that I might pay $15 bucks one month and not even log in once. Or only for a short time, etc. To me, this feels like buying a ticket to go see a movie and never entering the theatre.
Next month, LotRO RoR comes out and when that happens, I may not play this game once for a month or two. But I will come back to it, and I'll have all the access I always had, and all my storage space to boot. Same as when the next MMO or SPRPG comes out.
So for me, it's not about how much it is, it's about feeling like I'm buying something tangible and "virtually" eternal with that money.