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What is your idea of a good endgame?

JayDoseJayDose TEMECULA, CAPosts: 9Member

There's been a lot of talk about end game lately in comparison w/ GW2 and WoW and every other big mmo out there. But I'd like ask the community's opinion instead of reading complaint threads about endgame not being present or all around sucking ass. So I guess I just want to know your ideas of details that make or would make a good endgame?

 

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  • CastillleCastillle KhobarPosts: 2,703Member Uncommon

    What makes a good end game?  One that isnt based on bait and switch.

     

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  • arcanistarcanist johannesbergPosts: 163Member

    no endgame.

  • DarkcrystalDarkcrystal st clair shores, MIPosts: 809Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JayDose

    There's been a lot of talk about end game lately in comparison w/ GW2 and WoW and every other big mmo out there. But I'd like ask the community's opinion instead of reading complaint threads about endgame not being present or all around sucking ass. So I guess I just want to know your ideas of details that make or would make a good endgame?

     

    Its funny you ask this being a game Dev myself, I ask gamers questions all the time, and get Bullshit answers kinda like the 2nd poster did, I think people/gamers like to complain period.

     

     

    I bet if all of us Devs made a game that gamers directed the way they wanted 100% They still would find a way to cry period.!!

  • mithrillionmithrillion NY, NYPosts: 37Member
    Should be one that does not depend on constant supply of new contents. You shouldn't feel that you have "finished" the game like you do at the end of a single player game.
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid hell, NJPosts: 6,763Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Castillle

    What makes a good end game?  One that isnt based on bait and switch.

     

    exactly this.

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  • YakkinYakkin irvine, CAPosts: 919Member
    None. Because everyone's concept of the perfect/close to perfect "endgame" is different, and they each seem to loathe each other to the point that you would be better off just not asking at all.
  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,980Member Uncommon
    One involving territory control and resource denial. See DAOC, Lineage 1/2, Shadowbane and EVE for good examples.

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  • rungardrungard st. john''s, NFPosts: 1,035Member

    i would like to see a massive catacombs the size of the game world filled with all kinds of random characters and scripted events. It would be designed for groups of  one to three and though you could zerg it, more than 3 players in an area would attract unwanted attention like in moria in lord of the rings.  Lots of traps, dead ends, and mystery.

    you never know what youll find.. or awaken down there.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Sioux City, IAPosts: 3,828Member

    "End Game" means the end of the game, to me. This is where I roll a new alt and play some more, if I am having fun. I am not going to do the "dailies dance" and am not into raiding.

    It sure would be nice to NOT reach the end of the game in 30 days or less...

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  • Cephus404Cephus404 Redlands, CAPosts: 3,675Member
    No endgame at all, of course.

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  • Goatgod76Goatgod76 Stow, OHPosts: 1,214Member

    How about not having one.

    EQ managed to constantly have new content/expansions release at a rate you RARELY saw players at top level with the best stuff. And you never ran out of new places to explore. End-game was a term that didn't exist. When I think of end-game...I think of console games, where sadly is the route all MMORPG's have gone.

  • JimmyYOJimmyYO Columbus, OHPosts: 520Member
    When you hit max level the game should begin not end, kinda like EQ1 content wise.
  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 8,063Member
    THAT is a tough question, one I asked myself for years. So far, I am no wiser. Every Endgame I have seen was very quickly dull. Open PVP is good, but even that gets old over time. I dunno. Somehow maybe sandbox elements with Player Cities asf like in SWG would help. I am not sure with the mentality today ANY endgame could work, at least none I can imagine.

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  • ChirikitiChirikiti Vancouver, BCPosts: 18Member

    There shouldn't be an 'endgame'. I guess it's too much to hope for that people will move away from this concept though.

  • VirusDancerVirusDancer Brandon, FLPosts: 3,649Member

    As others have said, there should not be an endgame.  Different people will have different opinions on what exactly it means not to have an endgame.  Some will even point out that the whole game is the endgame - twisted, eh?  Consider EVE - the whole game's the "endgame" to some.

    It's a MMORPG - so right off the back, it's a virtual world - right?  Let's step over into the real world for a moment - endgame?  Retiring, ending up in a home, doing the same things over and over until we die...?  Heh, oddly enough that sounds like endgame.  Okay, how about the 60-80 years leading up to that part?

    That's what a MMORPG should be, imho.

    I don't want to head down to the cafeteria at the old folk's home day after day hoping that they have green jello - oops, no green jello today - I'll try again tomorrow.  Yeah... that's not my thing.

    I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

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  • WinterclawWinterclaw St Petersburg, FLPosts: 28Member

    No endgame.

     

    More percisely the concept of having a tut stage, a grinding stage, and an endgame needs to be abolished.  Get rid of the grind and go from tut to the real game.

  • uncleFesteruncleFester Huntersville, NCPosts: 38Member
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

    "End Game" means the end of the game, to me. This is where I roll a new alt and play some more, if I am having fun. I am not going to do the "dailies dance" and am not into raiding.

    It sure would be nice to NOT reach the end of the game in 30 days or less...

    That's the wy I feel about it. Back in the good old days, the games weren't designed to blast you to the level cap then throw you into the raiding treadmill, which I find to be insanely boring. Asheron's Call, the first MMO I played, basicaly had no level cap and no one really cared, we just kept playing and they kept updating the game every month with new things to do.

    The best endgame, is no endgame.

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member
    Meaningless leveling game, locked raids, and a subscription to pay money for running the same thing once a week.
  • RydesonRydeson Canton, OHPosts: 3,858Member Uncommon
    community and world building..   and I wish that it would take LONGER to get to max level.. 
  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    No endgame - e.g. eve

    If you must have endgame, then daoc style (pre toa).
  • UsualSuspectUsualSuspect CardiffPosts: 1,243Member
    I think EQ did it best for me. It had massive raids but you weren't tied into doing them, like they had epic quests and dungeons to wander through, but more importantly they had Alternate Advancement so even if you were just bashing mobs at max level you were still improving. It beats me why other devs haven't used AA.
  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    My idea of a good end game would be one where the game transitioned from being a theme park to being an open world game. It wouldn't have to be a full on sandbox, but an open world game in the manner of Skyrim or Fallout 3. Players could own land or houses, farm, fight monsters when they wanted and engage in political shenanigans until the next expansion.

    ** edit **

    Some people are going to take this to mean open world pvp. That isn't what I meant. I was thinking more of open world pve. PvP should be possible, but it shouldn't be the primary focus of the game, unless that was the focus of the game up to that point.

    An example would be the towns in Fable, where if the players helped the economy in some way, the town would grow more prosperous. If the players lead a life of crime, never helping the good guys, the town would degenerate into a lawless den of evil.

    Players should be able to start trading posts, that would grow into towns. If the game focused a lot of PvP, then other players might be able to raid the town. If the game focused on PvE, then other players wouldn't be able to raid the town, but they might be able to start a trading post that would absorb more resources than the existing towns.

    Raids could still exist, but they would focus more on open world raids.

    When expansions came, players would move on to new content. They might move on to new open world areas, or maybe they would come back to the existing open world area, but it would be bigger.

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,452Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    One involving territory control and resource denial. See DAOC, Lineage 1/2, Shadowbane and EVE for good examples.

    this ^

     

    Though I dont' believe in "end game" so it should be "this" all the time.

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