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4 x as many Xfire users playing GW2 than WOW.

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  • loulakiloulaki PatrasPosts: 918Member
    Originally posted by otacu

    http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

     

    In the mmorpg genre

     

     

     Guild Wars 2 (48.6%)

    ♦ World of Warcraft (21.5%)

    ♦ Star Wars: The Old Republic (2.7%)

    ♦ Aion (2.6%)

    ♦ Other (24.6%)

     

    Even Swtor at his peak at start didn't top WOW. It was half of wow at best. Xfire users must really like Gw2

    well now i see 80.000 hours for GW2 and 15.700 for WoW ...

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  • AeliousAelious Portland, ORPosts: 2,854Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by loulaki
    Originally posted by otacu

    http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

     

    In the mmorpg genre

     

     

     Guild Wars 2 (48.6%)

    ♦ World of Warcraft (21.5%)

    ♦ Star Wars: The Old Republic (2.7%)

    ♦ Aion (2.6%)

    ♦ Other (24.6%)

     

    Even Swtor at his peak at start didn't top WOW. It was half of wow at best. Xfire users must really like Gw2

    well now i see 80.000 hours for GW2 and 15.700 for WoW ...

     

    Now it's:

     

    ♦ Guild Wars 2 (55.9%)

    ♦ World of Warcraft (11.0%)

    ♦ Star Wars: The Old Republic (3.1%)

    ♦ Aion (3.0%)

    ♦ Metin 2 (2.3%)

    ♦ Other (24.8%)

    http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

     

    This time we'll also look at the specific game's stats:

    GW2

    http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2

    WoW

    http://beta.xfire.com/games/wow

     

    Taking all the info into consideration (not just the % above but also the # of players and # of hours in the links) could give an insight on what might be happening on a macro scale but it in no way is this concrete data.  I would like to speculate that xfire has been around a long time so these are likely players that have been playing for a while which is why until now WoW has been on top.

     

  • RuandelRuandel KiskorosPosts: 14Member
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    Originally posted by otacu

    Xfire users must really like Gw2

    The only real truth about these numbers...doesn't mean anything

     

    Edit: I know hundreds of people outside my guild in WoW, and then there's about 150-200 in my guild.  I've never once heard about any of them using or even talking about xfire or xfire numbers...alot of people don't use xfire.  Like I said in the other posts,  it's like saying apples are horrible, because at the orange store people only buy oranges.

    Its probably safe to say that, the same percentage of people using Xfire in WoW, and GW2.

  • BeilochBeiloch Sun City, CAPosts: 74Member
    I'm just going to assume you guys aren't going to ever learn xfire and raptr numbers are accurate within a 'not' with a margin of error of BS.
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,927Member Uncommon
    I only care about the GW2 numbers a month after MoP is out.
  • EvilBeaversEvilBeavers Memphis, TNPosts: 16Member

    I don't understand why anyone cares about any numbers as long as you enjoy playing the game..

  • JustsomenoobJustsomenoob lexington, KYPosts: 871Member
    Originally posted by otacu

    http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

     

    In the mmorpg genre

     

     

     Guild Wars 2 (48.6%)

    ♦ World of Warcraft (21.5%)

    ♦ Star Wars: The Old Republic (2.7%)

    ♦ Aion (2.6%)

    ♦ Other (24.6%)

     

    Even Swtor at his peak at start didn't top WOW. It was half of wow at best. Xfire users must really like Gw2

     

     

    This has to be wrong.

     

    ....I mean there's no way that many people are playing SWTOR!  =P

  • JackdogJackdog Charleston, SCPosts: 6,344Member
    Originally posted by Justsomenoob
    Originally posted by otacu

    http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

     

    In the mmorpg genre

     

     

     Guild Wars 2 (48.6%)

    ♦ World of Warcraft (21.5%)

    ♦ Star Wars: The Old Republic (2.7%)

    ♦ Aion (2.6%)

    ♦ Other (24.6%)

     

    Even Swtor at his peak at start didn't top WOW. It was half of wow at best. Xfire users must really like Gw2

     

     

    This has to be wrong.

     

    ....I mean there's no way that many people are playing SWTOR!  =P

    a lot of my old guildies stil are playing TOR, was talking with one on vent just before I logged off GW2 to come here and yes the population is still very stable on my old server. He was using Black Hole population when he runs his dailies  as a guideline. He said most people are migtrating to just a few servers so that is helping.

    Oh and just my opinion but I fail to see how pandas will re energize WoW

    I miss DAoC

  • Sup3rnovaSup3rnova SunderlandPosts: 69Member

    These statistics make no difference, your flapping over nothing... Wait till MOP comes out and give it a few months then flap if GW2 is still dominating it.

    Honestly these threads get boring.. it doesnt even make a difference if GW2 kills WoW. Most of the Anti WoWists are just ex players who got bored of the rinse and repeat cycle.

    Additionally Xfire is just a pointless program that was useful during Steams early years.

  • mmojunkie5000mmojunkie5000 AkliaburgPosts: 92Member
    Originally posted by Sup3rnova

    These statistics make no difference, your flapping over nothing... Wait till MOP comes out and give it a few months then flap if GW2 is still dominating it.

    Honestly these threads get boring.. it doesnt even make a difference if GW2 kills WoW. Most of the Anti WoWists are just ex players who got bored of the rinse and repeat cycle.

    Additionally Xfire is just a pointless program that was useful during Steams early years.

    xfire predicted SWTOR's dramatic player loss in early January, 4 months before any official data was available and before anyone in the press took a serious look at SWTOR's problems

    there's 2 threads here about xfire and swtor.

    it's almost insane how accurate xfire predicted this.

  • DrachasorDrachasor Columbus, OHPosts: 2,678Member
    Originally posted by mmojunkie5000
    Originally posted by Sup3rnova

    These statistics make no difference, your flapping over nothing... Wait till MOP comes out and give it a few months then flap if GW2 is still dominating it.

    Honestly these threads get boring.. it doesnt even make a difference if GW2 kills WoW. Most of the Anti WoWists are just ex players who got bored of the rinse and repeat cycle.

    Additionally Xfire is just a pointless program that was useful during Steams early years.

    xfire predicted SWTOR's dramatic player loss in early January, 4 months before any official data was available and before anyone in the press took a serious look at SWTOR's problems

    there's 2 threads here about xfire and swtor.

    it's almost insane how accurate xfire predicted this.

    No it's not.

    SWTOR was a major failure.  Anyone playing it for any length of time could see that.  The writing was on the wall.  Noting a major failure is not "insane", but to be expected.  Frankly, average players also noticed people leaving quite early on as well, if they hadn't left themselves.

  • SilokSilok Mascouche, QCPosts: 732Member
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    I'm better than Guild Wars 2.  100% of xfire users think I'm the sexiest man alive 1% of the time ;)

    xfire mean nothing, not everyone use it

  • mmojunkie5000mmojunkie5000 AkliaburgPosts: 92Member
    Originally posted by Silok

    xfire mean nothing, not everyone use it

    why do people not understand how polls work.

     

    do you think everyone is polled in the polls you see on CNN?

    nope. they poll exactly 1000 people.

     

    and a 100k xfire users are not enough for you?

  • MosesZDMosesZD Kirkwood, MOPosts: 1,383Member
    Originally posted by Slampig
    Wow, I have literally seen three of these exact same threads in like the past 5 minutes. You would think there would be only one, you know, the entire hive-mind thing...

     

    Wow, you ever here of simultaneous thread creation?    It's happened to me.  I've seen others do the same.  

  • Method01Method01 VejlePosts: 128Member
    Originally posted by Slampig
    Wow, I have literally seen three of these exact same threads in like the past 5 minutes. You would think there would be only one, you know, the entire hive-mind thing...

    Agree... Fanboyism..

    Serious stop these threads.. We allready got it. Gw2 pwns and WoW will lose 10 mil subs within 2 months.. Theres no more to prove.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by mmojunkie5000

    Originally posted by Silok xfire mean nothing, not everyone use it
    why do people not understand how polls work.

     

    do you think everyone is polled in the polls you see on CNN?

    nope. they poll exactly 1000 people.

     

    and a 100k xfire users are not enough for you?



    Indeed. Why don't people understand how polls work?

    ** edit **

    The premise of your thread depends on XFire working properly, and apparently, it's not working properly for WoW.

    http://forums.xfire.com/showthread.php/265236-World-of-Warcraft-with-new-x-64-exe-(New-Patch-5-04)

    Thank you forum poster (whom I've already forgotten because it's early and I haven't had coffee).

    ** edit edit **

    Magenets?!? How do they even work?

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • shinkanshinkan BestinPosts: 229Member

    those numbers probably say more about xfire than anything else

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,211Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by mmojunkie5000
    Originally posted by Silok

    xfire mean nothing, not everyone use it

    why do people not understand how polls work.

     

    do you think everyone is polled in the polls you see on CNN?

    nope. they poll exactly 1000 people.

     

    and a 100k xfire users are not enough for you?

     I understand the answers to polls are generally manipulated using the format of questions asked and selected sampling  which makes them as useless as X-fire. For instance if I asked a thousand people living in mud huts in Namibia if playing GW2 is better than WoW eating children alive it's not going to produce much useful data.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member
    Originally posted by mmojunkie5000

    why do people not understand how polls work.

     

    do you think everyone is polled in the polls you see on CNN?

    nope. they poll exactly 1000 people.

     

    and a 100k xfire users are not enough for you?

    Apparently, because they're never entered or passed a first-year statistics course.  Not unusual, most Americans haven't.

    No matter how often its explained, it's still magic voodoo, unless you're educated to the math language required.  Reporters don't understand it either; why so many bad polls make it to the national news level.

    That's ok, reporters understand the hard sciences even less.  The "hype" for Kahoutek was generated in the media, not by the scientists.

    Anyway, we don't need this thread again--the last one's still going.

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by Icewhite
    Originally posted by mmojunkie5000 why do people not understand how polls work.   do you think everyone is polled in the polls you see on CNN? nope. they poll exactly 1000 people.   and a 100k xfire users are not enough for you?
    Apparently, because they're never entered or passed a first-year statistics course.  Not unusual, most Americans haven't.No matter how often its explained, it's still magic voodoo, unless you're educated to the math language required.  Reporters don't understand it either; why so many bad polls make it to the national news level.That's ok, reporters understand the hard sciences even less.  The "hype" for Kahoutek was generated in the media, not by the scientists.

    Anyway, we don't need this thread again--the last one's still going.




    I had to look up Kohoutek to know what you were talking about. This is my day off. I'll thank you to stop doing that.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • SilokSilok Mascouche, QCPosts: 732Member
    Originally posted by mmojunkie5000
    Originally posted by Silok

    xfire mean nothing, not everyone use it

    why do people not understand how polls work.

     

    do you think everyone is polled in the polls you see on CNN?

    nope. they poll exactly 1000 people.

     

    and a 100k xfire users are not enough for you?

    no.. that still mean nothing, even you CNN polls argument mean nothing. this is hardly reflect the reality of how many people really play the game.

  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Posts: 5,316Member Uncommon

    The issue with polls, any poll, is sampling bias, 1000, 0r 100,000 really doesn't matter if there is a bias.

    With X-fire, are the X-fire uses a consistent and true representation of the the generall MMO playerbase, or are they representative only of a certain game, or are they representative of only one type of gamer.  This is why X-fire is not considered reliable, there is no clear way to answer those questions. 

     

    Lets take a couple2 common or inferred stances on the market for argument sake. 

    1.  X-fire is used by people who like games, are familiar enough with games and gaming to even know what x-fire is, let alone have downloaded and use it. 

    2.  WoW - many people have stated over and over that many/most of WoW's playerbase play only wow, and have either no knowledge or very little knowledge of other games.

     

    If those 2 statements are true, that alone invalidates X-fire's use when comparing WoW to any other game because, again if those statements are true, the majority of WoW's playerbase will not have even heard of X-fire.

    Again I am not stating those statements are true, just using them as an example.  Until the question of sampling bias is clearly understood, X-Fire is not a valid or reliable source.

    Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  • krakra70krakra70 karakas, IDPosts: 122Member
    This thread seems immune to mod locks. Weird, because every other xfire thread gets locked immediately. What makes this thread so special?
  • NikecowNikecow mdamPosts: 31Member
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    Originally posted by Gravarg
    I'm better than Guild Wars 2.  100% of xfire users think I'm the sexiest man alive 1% of the time ;)

    The problem with polls, xfire numbers, and anything else that doesn't consider the whole of something...It's easy to skew the numbers into whatever you want them to be.  So the demographic is WoW players with Xfire that are now playing GW2...I think that's a really really small portion of the MMO market. GW2 fanatics should go into Politics, they'd do great lol

    Actually comparing X-fire stats is an excellent way of measuring activity. You learn this @ basic economics.

    They see me lurkin' they hatin...

  • GaborikGaborik Roseville, MNPosts: 251Member

    There have been a few post up that have popped up referring to GW2 and Xfire. These post have been locked by The Staff at MMOrpg.com  what they say is for good reason.  So my question is to the Staff that locked these and anyone else who would like to answer.  

    What is the difference between people saying GW2 is the greatest, most popular MMO ever based on xfire numbers at the release and a post that ask the question has GW2 peaked on xfire?  The 1st part never got locked and The Staff allowed those post to continue.  The 2nd got locked within minutes.  

    Also to the Staff that "loceked" those threads before you decided to delete  this thread and issue me a warning please explain your non-bias reasoning.  

     

    Is MMORPG.COM BIAS?

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