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Originally posted by Valua I think food is a necessity to life, games/dvd's/books/music aren't. Also food isn't overpriced, depends where you shop, and price doesn't mean nothing about the quality of it. Like games, you can spend £10 on a game and have a great time, or £60 and have a bad time, or vice versa. Also, game prices have changed, in the 90's the average game was between £30-40, now they are between £40-60. Not a massive difference, but still a difference. Also, for arguments sake, just because something has been the way it has for a long time doesn't make it right, or good. The bible and racism have been around for a long time, it doesn't make them right or good (Bit OT I know.) Or the movie industry, £13 for a ticket to a movie is stupidly over priced, and they've always been over priced since cinema's were first introduced. Point is, the game industry, and most of the entertainment industry, have been over priced for a long time, if not forever. If you consider £0.60 an hour for entertainment well spent then that's up to you. The entertainment industry makes millions in profit, I think it's over the top, they should make a profit yes, but at the expense of over charging customers? But everyone just agrees with it anyway. I'm not some kind of hippie, I do buy games, I go to the cinema, I buy books and music, I just don't agree with the prices. Back on topic for this thread; Like I said earlier, GW2 is close to being worth the price imo, but no game will ever be worth £60 in my eyes. Sorry to those who disagree, it's my opinion.
I don't think anyone of us fully understands the economics of entertainment industries.. however if cinema can afford to pay actors millions and millions of dollars... the price of that entertainment can probably "afford' to come down.
The gaming industry is its own beast and we don't really know where all the profits are going but we do know a lot of developers are struggling. I think your own hard earned money can be used to support a company that will actually reinvest those funds back into their games. On the other hand you can buy an EA or Activision product and know for sure that the majority of your cash is going to a few rich people who don't give a crap about the games at all.
Originally posted by f1seb If I buy the game from their site right now, the 59.99 version do I get to play right away?
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Originally posted by Ugenius HAHA! Have you played Shining in the Darkness It was a $100.00 dollars when it first came out. Early 80s or so. It was no mmo but it was a rpg. I paid the price and had a awesome time. Im actually playing shining force 3 (AWESOME TOO) cost me $5.00 on ebay lol. Awsome rpg too. So yah GW2 is worth 60 for me.( If only i can log in)
Dude shining in the darkness was EPIC! I loved that game too.
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Originally posted by Aeolron Originally posted by f1seb If I buy the game from their site right now, the 59.99 version do I get to play right away?
If this TF2 MvM doesn't work out I just might do that.
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Well not right away..SInce the download is quite large ( 21GB+)..Unless you have a super fast connection. But after the download your all set to go as long as you buy it from the ArenaNet site.
Originally posted by Aerowyn Originally posted by dbgager NO.. Valua The prices have not changed...I have been buying games since my first Atari 520ST , and my first 8086 IBM PC in the early 1980s. They have always been priced around the $50.00 mark or even higher.. Read and learn. You actually must be pretty young however to believe what you are saying.. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/10/an-inconvenient-truth-game-prices-have-come-down-with-time/
yea I remember paying $74.99 for Final fantasy VII.. remember paying $50+ for nes games back in the day as well
I paid $80 for the release of Ultima on Nintendo and that was back in 1988. Typically games were always $50-$60.
Originally posted by KingGator I have only played since late friday night, and since its a weekend and I like to go out and stuff I haven't even played that long, but my early impression is no. I seem to be running around alot to random event orange circles on the map and zerg randomly generated mobs. I sort of feel like I am running around aimlesly. I've rolled up 3 toons and they all feel like they play exactly the same. As I said, I've barely scratched the surface, but the newbie experiene is more generic and less in depth than any game I've tried to date. People assure me that it gets better, we'll see, but just based off of what I've experienced thus far I already regret spending my 60 bucks.
Wandering aimlessly is the beauty of the game. Tell me if you dont like exploring and you enjoy having your hand held while a game developer gies you its teet to suckle why would you play or better yet pay this game? Why is it better for you to follow a set path grinding the same bullshit fed ex quests from 1-cap? Notto mention your doing it solo and the slightest hint of another player on your screen makes you want to vomit.
I lose all hope in MMO gamers and future games when people think you must have structure and hand holding to be called good.
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Originally posted by loeslein Yes but how much is 59.99 worth to you? I spent $80 last night at the bar so wtf.
Yup, a night out for drinks and you've paid for it easy. And how much is the monthly fee??
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Originally posted by dbgager Originally posted by f1seb If I buy the game from their site right now, the 59.99 version do I get to play right away?
Done downloading. Fios FTW.
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Originally posted by f1seb Originally posted by dbgager Originally posted by f1seb If I buy the game from their site right now, the 59.99 version do I get to play right away?
cool..have a good time.
Originally posted by dbgager NO.. Valua The prices have not changed...I have been buying games since my first Atari 520ST , and my first 8086 IBM PC in the early 1980s. They have always been priced around the $50.00 mark or even higher.. Read and learn. You actually must be pretty young however to believe what you are saying.. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/10/an-inconvenient-truth-game-prices-have-come-down-with-time/
I am pretty young, I'm 21, a 90's child, and since the 90's game prices have stayed pretty much the same. Didn't pay much attention to 80's clearly, as I wasn't born.
Game prices have been roughly around 30-60 for at least ten years now (not considering inflation.)
It's true that game prices haven't increased with inflatation, but that's to be expected really, with more people buying games now than back then its makes sense they don't have to overly increase their prices, but they can still reduce them further to around £30 on average for a game rather than £40-60 and still make a massive profit with the amount they sell.
Look at CoD making 1billion dollars in it's first week from game sales.
In the 80's games had to be so expensive, because sales weren't huge like they are today, so it makes sense for them to have high priced games to make a profit, it doesn't make sense for them to still do it today and make a massive profit. It's not fair on their customers.
Game sales have gone up massively since the 80's.
Fact is, the gaming industy (like most entertainment industries) are greedy.
Another point is that games don't have to be expensive (like GW2/SWTOR) to be good.
Minecraft is a cheap game and it probably has more content and playtime than most games available, but that could be compared with a big buget and costly game like the Sims, which has potentially the same play time available.
No one will change my opinion that game prices are over priced, and in my opinion people who think otherwise are gullible. I consider myself gullible too for purchasing games at these prices, but at least I know they are over priced.
Also, have to remember that Guild Wars 2 costs a lot for people in the UK, directly from their website it costs $79.99 (from £49.99 for digital edition) or $102.99 (from £64.99 for digital deluxe edition) which is quite steep. I know that's to do with the country I live in, but still, pretty overpriced. The cheapest I've found is Amazon which costs close to $60, for the average non pre-purchase game. So, undertstandably I'm a bitt annoyed with the prices of games nowadays.
End of the day it comes down to how you spend your money and if you enjoy spending big sums of money on these things, I'd prefer not to, as I never really believe I get my moneys worth, other people might. But I still do, because I have very little options, everything is expensive in the entertainment industy. I do purchase a lot of cheap, indepentent games too.
having some client problems right now but when its solved it will be all worth it
It is easily worth it. $60 is 2-3 meals out with my wife (or 4-6 for myself). At an average of 1 hour per meal we are working on a basis of $10/hour.
So far I have already put in approx 20 hours since release. If I add in the beta/stress test time then I am closer to 130 hours which works out to 46 cents/hour.
Contrast this to the 2400 hours I spent in GW1 with approx $180 spent. That game has cost me approx. 7.5 cents/hour.
Also, contrast that with another MMO which cost me about $270 over the course of a year and assume the same usage. WE are looking at closer to 25 cents/hour.
I only need to play another 130 hours to make GW2 more cost effective than that game.
Now lets consider other forms of entertainment:
Beer at home @ 80 cents/bottle (aggregate) and 2 bottles an hour (conservatively) = $1.60/hour
Beer at bar @ $4.00/bottle and 2 bottles/hour = $8.00/hour
Movie (90 minutes budget showing) ~ $7 = $4.66/hour
Sex (31 cent/condom - 2 per hour) = $0.62/hour
See - GW2 is already more cost effective than having sex in terms of entertainment value, although if you try to use this reasoning with your partner, you may not HAVE a partner for much longer.
Still, there is always GW2...
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