All the talent that was a part of Mythic has been gutted by EA.
There are now more Bioware employees in Mythic than former Mythic guys.
Between EA and Bioware... I don't want to them to even think about touching Ultima Online 2, especially not after seeing the horrible Ultima 4 remake they're doing.
Bioware has been working to further destroy DAoC for the last 2 years or so.
EA has not once been involved in a good MMO. Every MMO they touch dies. Do NOT let this happen. They already cancelled DAoC 2 and Imperator.
DAoC is a themepark, UO is a sandbox, that's the number one reason Mythic would never be able to develop a good UO game.
Second, it's not the same Mythic, they are Bioware 2 now.
Third, noone but Garriot should attempt an UO 2.
And im not even sure i would want UO 2 developed by Garriot....
I'd hardly call DAoC a themepark. Hell, the term "themepark" rarely applies to any game that isn't a WoW clone. Just because DAoC wasn't as sandboxy as UO doesn't mean it was a "themepark". Themepark implies being led by the nose and developer imparted safety. These things were not in DAoC.
DAoC is a themepark MMO, just like EQ & Lineage 2.
Just because they weren't a wow clone with streamlined linear questing doesn't mean they aren't themeparks.
By your definition, GW2 is a sandbox.....
Btw im not calling DAoC casual, shallow and linear, that's what todays themeparks are, old themeparks had more freedom and depth, but they where still themeparks.
Themeparks, by their very definitions, are about casual users, casual gameplay, simple mechanics, and keeping the users safe by never letting them off the rails.
DAoC and EQ let players off the rails almost entirely right from the start. DAoC didn't even have a tutorial for 5 years.
They were not themeparks. You can't say "old themeparks used to be different" because the term themepark itself is new, and was coined to described WoW and its clones in a more politically correct manner.
And no, GW2 would not be a sandbox "by my definition" because GW2 is insanely casual. There's no death penalty, instancing, you can't possibly make a weak character (or really a unique one), instant travel times...
All the talent that was a part of Mythic has been gutted by EA.
There are now more Bioware employees in Mythic than former Mythic guys.
Between EA and Bioware... I don't want to them to even think about touching Ultima Online 2, especially not after seeing the horrible Ultima 4 remake they're doing.
Bioware has been working to further destroy DAoC for the last 2 years or so.
EA has not once been involved in a good MMO. Every MMO they touch dies. Do NOT let this happen. They already cancelled DAoC 2 and Imperator.
DAoC is a themepark, UO is a sandbox, that's the number one reason Mythic would never be able to develop a good UO game.
Second, it's not the same Mythic, they are Bioware 2 now.
Third, noone but Garriot should attempt an UO 2.
And im not even sure i would want UO 2 developed by Garriot....
I'd hardly call DAoC a themepark. Hell, the term "themepark" rarely applies to any game that isn't a WoW clone. Just because DAoC wasn't as sandboxy as UO doesn't mean it was a "themepark". Themepark implies being led by the nose and developer imparted safety. These things were not in DAoC.
DAoC is a themepark MMO, just like EQ & Lineage 2.
Just because they weren't a wow clone with streamlined linear questing doesn't mean they aren't themeparks.
By your definition, GW2 is a sandbox.....
Btw im not calling DAoC casual, shallow and linear, that's what todays themeparks are, old themeparks had more freedom and depth, but they where still themeparks.
Themeparks, by their very definitions, are about casual users, casual gameplay, simple mechanics, and keeping the users safe by never letting them off the rails.
Um.... no.
Wait, did you just said that EQ wasn't a themepark?
There are casual and hardcore themeparks, just like there are casual and hardcore sandboxes, being casual doesn't have anything to do with being a themepark.
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy" -Seinfeld
All the talent that was a part of Mythic has been gutted by EA.
There are now more Bioware employees in Mythic than former Mythic guys.
Between EA and Bioware... I don't want to them to even think about touching Ultima Online 2, especially not after seeing the horrible Ultima 4 remake they're doing.
Bioware has been working to further destroy DAoC for the last 2 years or so.
EA has not once been involved in a good MMO. Every MMO they touch dies. Do NOT let this happen. They already cancelled DAoC 2 and Imperator.
DAoC is a themepark, UO is a sandbox, that's the number one reason Mythic would never be able to develop a good UO game.
Second, it's not the same Mythic, they are Bioware 2 now.
Third, noone but Garriot should attempt an UO 2.
And im not even sure i would want UO 2 developed by Garriot....
I'd hardly call DAoC a themepark. Hell, the term "themepark" rarely applies to any game that isn't a WoW clone. Just because DAoC wasn't as sandboxy as UO doesn't mean it was a "themepark". Themepark implies being led by the nose and developer imparted safety. These things were not in DAoC.
DAoC is a themepark MMO, just like EQ & Lineage 2.
Just because they weren't a wow clone with streamlined linear questing doesn't mean they aren't themeparks.
By your definition, GW2 is a sandbox.....
Btw im not calling DAoC casual, shallow and linear, that's what todays themeparks are, old themeparks had more freedom and depth, but they where still themeparks.
Themeparks, by their very definitions, are about casual users, casual gameplay, simple mechanics, and keeping the users safe by never letting them off the rails.
Um.... no.
Wait, did you just said that EQ wasn't a themepark?
There are casual and hardcore themeparks, just like there are casual and hardcore sandboxes, being casual doesn't have anything to do with being a themepark.
Many people in this forum only want games done on their terms. If they get their wish, we will have no games at all because non will live up to their standards.
Many people in this forum only want games done on their terms. If they get their wish, we will have no games at all because non will live up to their standards.
Yes, we apologize for having standards.
No no, it's fine for big publishing companies to keep churning out garbage and sticking an air freshener on it.
See... we didn't choose to have standards, we just made the mistake of playing MMOs back when they were still good and we foolishly assumed they'd stay that good.
All the talent that was a part of Mythic has been gutted by EA.
There are now more Bioware employees in Mythic than former Mythic guys.
Between EA and Bioware... I don't want to them to even think about touching Ultima Online 2, especially not after seeing the horrible Ultima 4 remake they're doing.
Bioware has been working to further destroy DAoC for the last 2 years or so.
EA has not once been involved in a good MMO. Every MMO they touch dies. Do NOT let this happen. They already cancelled DAoC 2 and Imperator.
DAoC is a themepark, UO is a sandbox, that's the number one reason Mythic would never be able to develop a good UO game.
Second, it's not the same Mythic, they are Bioware 2 now.
Third, noone but Garriot should attempt an UO 2.
And im not even sure i would want UO 2 developed by Garriot....
I'd hardly call DAoC a themepark. Hell, the term "themepark" rarely applies to any game that isn't a WoW clone. Just because DAoC wasn't as sandboxy as UO doesn't mean it was a "themepark". Themepark implies being led by the nose and developer imparted safety. These things were not in DAoC.
DAoC is a themepark MMO, just like EQ & Lineage 2.
Just because they weren't a wow clone with streamlined linear questing doesn't mean they aren't themeparks.
By your definition, GW2 is a sandbox.....
Btw im not calling DAoC casual, shallow and linear, that's what todays themeparks are, old themeparks had more freedom and depth, but they where still themeparks.
Themeparks, by their very definitions, are about casual users, casual gameplay, simple mechanics, and keeping the users safe by never letting them off the rails.
Um.... no.
Wait, did you just said that EQ wasn't a themepark?
There are casual and hardcore themeparks, just like there are casual and hardcore sandboxes, being casual doesn't have anything to do with being a themepark.
Themeparks are safe.
EQ was NOT a safe game.
Themepark is a NEW term that refers to NEW games.
EQ is an OLD game.
Please, just try to understand for even a second.
Umm... do you even know what THEMEPARK means?
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy" -Seinfeld
All the talent that was a part of Mythic has been gutted by EA.
There are now more Bioware employees in Mythic than former Mythic guys.
Between EA and Bioware... I don't want to them to even think about touching Ultima Online 2, especially not after seeing the horrible Ultima 4 remake they're doing.
Bioware has been working to further destroy DAoC for the last 2 years or so.
EA has not once been involved in a good MMO. Every MMO they touch dies. Do NOT let this happen. They already cancelled DAoC 2 and Imperator.
DAoC is a themepark, UO is a sandbox, that's the number one reason Mythic would never be able to develop a good UO game.
Second, it's not the same Mythic, they are Bioware 2 now.
Third, noone but Garriot should attempt an UO 2.
And im not even sure i would want UO 2 developed by Garriot....
I'd hardly call DAoC a themepark. Hell, the term "themepark" rarely applies to any game that isn't a WoW clone. Just because DAoC wasn't as sandboxy as UO doesn't mean it was a "themepark". Themepark implies being led by the nose and developer imparted safety. These things were not in DAoC.
DAoC is a themepark MMO, just like EQ & Lineage 2.
Just because they weren't a wow clone with streamlined linear questing doesn't mean they aren't themeparks.
By your definition, GW2 is a sandbox.....
Btw im not calling DAoC casual, shallow and linear, that's what todays themeparks are, old themeparks had more freedom and depth, but they where still themeparks.
Themeparks, by their very definitions, are about casual users, casual gameplay, simple mechanics, and keeping the users safe by never letting them off the rails.
Um.... no.
Wait, did you just said that EQ wasn't a themepark?
There are casual and hardcore themeparks, just like there are casual and hardcore sandboxes, being casual doesn't have anything to do with being a themepark.
All the talent that was a part of Mythic has been gutted by EA.
There are now more Bioware employees in Mythic than former Mythic guys.
Between EA and Bioware... I don't want to them to even think about touching Ultima Online 2, especially not after seeing the horrible Ultima 4 remake they're doing.
Bioware has been working to further destroy DAoC for the last 2 years or so.
EA has not once been involved in a good MMO. Every MMO they touch dies. Do NOT let this happen. They already cancelled DAoC 2 and Imperator.
DAoC is a themepark, UO is a sandbox, that's the number one reason Mythic would never be able to develop a good UO game.
Second, it's not the same Mythic, they are Bioware 2 now.
Third, noone but Garriot should attempt an UO 2.
And im not even sure i would want UO 2 developed by Garriot....
I'd hardly call DAoC a themepark. Hell, the term "themepark" rarely applies to any game that isn't a WoW clone. Just because DAoC wasn't as sandboxy as UO doesn't mean it was a "themepark". Themepark implies being led by the nose and developer imparted safety. These things were not in DAoC.
DAoC is a themepark MMO, just like EQ & Lineage 2.
Just because they weren't a wow clone with streamlined linear questing doesn't mean they aren't themeparks.
By your definition, GW2 is a sandbox.....
Btw im not calling DAoC casual, shallow and linear, that's what todays themeparks are, old themeparks had more freedom and depth, but they where still themeparks.
Themeparks, by their very definitions, are about casual users, casual gameplay, simple mechanics, and keeping the users safe by never letting them off the rails.
Um.... no.
Wait, did you just said that EQ wasn't a themepark?
There are casual and hardcore themeparks, just like there are casual and hardcore sandboxes, being casual doesn't have anything to do with being a themepark.
Themeparks are safe.
EQ was NOT a safe game.
Themepark is a NEW term that refers to NEW games.
EQ is an OLD game.
Please, just try to understand for even a second.
Umm... do you even know what THEMEPARK means?
You clearly don't.
Safe, casual, new, that doesn't have anything to do with a game being a themepark or not, lol.
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy" -Seinfeld
You are one of those people who uses words like "sandpark" or terms like "sandbox features".
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy" -Seinfeld
sorry couldnt resist, beside that I think your definition is a bit... let's say unusual *cough*
On topic: I played UO from before 2nd age until a few months after aos and have no idea how the game changed since then, but I doubt that a true UO2 has a real chance for success.
In times of everybody wins, everything must be balanced and fair, everything is too inconvenient if it's not instant gratification I can't see how a successor of UO would fit in.
For the love of god that is all mercy, OPPOSE IT OPPOSE MYTHIC.
DOWN WITH MYTHIC, BLOCK MYTHIC
Whats wrong with the company that made the best PvP MMO of all time?
The people that originally created Dark Age of Camelot are long gone from Mythic. The lead designer for the RvR that we used to love is the head man for The Elder Scrolls Online I think, not really sure though.
Originally posted by doragon86 As much as I would like to see a UO2, after what Mythic did with WAR, I'd prefer they not bother.
Blame EA, not Mythic.
Originally posted by Brixon Even the old Mythic couldn't be trusted, look how they screwed up DAoC.
DAoC didn't truly go down the tubes until EA bought them.
It's really sad that the company behind one of the best designed MMos in the history of the genre... now has its name forever laughed at because of EA and WAR.
Actually Mark "The Shitstain" Jacobs was already destroying DAoC before EA bought Mythic. Jacobs created his worthless pile of garbage expansions calle Trials of Shit, and Shit Frontiers. Those 2 worthless expansions were killing DAoC long before Mythic sold out to EA. The Lancelot server that I played on lost around half its playerbase within 3 months of Shit Frontiers. Nobody liked that crap.
Many people in this forum only want games done on their terms. If they get their wish, we will have no games at all because non will live up to their standards.
Yes, we apologize for having standards.
No no, it's fine for big publishing companies to keep churning out garbage and sticking an air freshener on it.
See... we didn't choose to have standards, we just made the mistake of playing MMOs back when they were still good and we foolishly assumed they'd stay that good.
How can you claim the "potential" game is beneath your standards when it isn't even past the approval stage? You know nothing about it. You (I don't literally mean *you*) just refuse to listen to even a possibility of a game being made. The game could have the brightest minds, biggest budget, most creative team ever assembled, but you guys already write it off as rubbish before it even gets off the ground. [mod edit]
You deserve what you get....NOTHING. Have fun playing....NOTHING. /sigh
Originally posted by doragon86 As much as I would like to see a UO2, after what Mythic did with WAR, I'd prefer they not bother.
Blame EA, not Mythic.
Originally posted by Brixon Even the old Mythic couldn't be trusted, look how they screwed up DAoC.
DAoC didn't truly go down the tubes until EA bought them.
It's really sad that the company behind one of the best designed MMos in the history of the genre... now has its name forever laughed at because of EA and WAR.
Actually Mark "The Shitstain" Jacobs was already destroying DAoC before EA bought Mythic. Jacobs created his worthless pile of garbage expansions calle Trials of Shit, and Shit Frontiers. Those 2 worthless expansions were killing DAoC long before Mythic sold out to EA. The Lancelot server that I played on lost around half its playerbase within 3 months of Shit Frontiers. Nobody liked that crap.
Actually, New Frontiers was quite popular and well recieved by the majority of the community. ToA was not. Hence why the classic servers came into being. Mythic was planning both a true classic server (roll back to pre SI) and a sequel, but EA canned both projects when they bought Mythic.
Many people in this forum only want games done on their terms. If they get their wish, we will have no games at all because non will live up to their standards.
Yes, we apologize for having standards.
No no, it's fine for big publishing companies to keep churning out garbage and sticking an air freshener on it.
See... we didn't choose to have standards, we just made the mistake of playing MMOs back when they were still good and we foolishly assumed they'd stay that good.
How can you claim the "potential" game is beneath your standards when it isn't even past the approval stage?
Two things.
First, my response was to the poster who claimed that "no game will live up to their standardes".
Second, we know plenty about this game just based off pattern recognition. It's a very VERY safe bet to assume that it'll be garbage, considering what this company is doing to WAR, DAoC, SWTOR, UO, and all the Ultima spinoffs.
Originally posted by Psychow
Originally posted by Tibernicus
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by Psychow
Why bother making anything. Jeeez guys...
Many people in this forum only want games done on their terms. If they get their wish, we will have no games at all because non will live up to their standards.
Yes, we apologize for having standards.
No no, it's fine for big publishing companies to keep churning out garbage and sticking an air freshener on it.
See... we didn't choose to have standards, we just made the mistake of playing MMOs back when they were still good and we foolishly assumed they'd stay that good.
The game could have the brightest minds, biggest budget, most creative team ever assembled, but you guys already write it off as rubbish before it even gets off the ground. You will never be happy.
Yeah, cause those things worked out SO WELL for SWTOR lmao.
And sure I'll be happy. When devs can live up to the quality of MMOs made by 30 men teams on a shoestring budget in the 90s again, then I'll be happy. Until then, Vanguard will have to do.
"Support our crappy ARPG Ultima-in-name-only game and maybe we'll get the chance to make UO2!"
Yeah, up yours buddy. Firstly, you massacred the Warhammer IP. Secondly, you aided in massacring (to a lesser extent, admittedly) the Star Wars IP. Thirdly, you're in the act of massacring the Ultima IP...
No. Just no. Go fuck yourselves, Mythic.
Not to mention trying to convince EA...of ALL companies to make it? Next to Blizzard, one of the biggest money whoring gaming companies around. Tells me it will be yet another poorly done, un-entertaining past a month clone like most of the rest of them. Not to mention destroy the legacy of UO.
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Themeparks, by their very definitions, are about casual users, casual gameplay, simple mechanics, and keeping the users safe by never letting them off the rails.
DAoC and EQ let players off the rails almost entirely right from the start. DAoC didn't even have a tutorial for 5 years.
They were not themeparks. You can't say "old themeparks used to be different" because the term themepark itself is new, and was coined to described WoW and its clones in a more politically correct manner.
And no, GW2 would not be a sandbox "by my definition" because GW2 is insanely casual. There's no death penalty, instancing, you can't possibly make a weak character (or really a unique one), instant travel times...
Um.... no.
Wait, did you just said that EQ wasn't a themepark?
There are casual and hardcore themeparks, just like there are casual and hardcore sandboxes, being casual doesn't have anything to do with being a themepark.
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy"
-Seinfeld
Themeparks are safe.
EQ was NOT a safe game.
Themepark is a NEW term that refers to NEW games.
EQ is an OLD game.
Please, just try to understand for even a second.
For the love of god that is all mercy, OPPOSE IT OPPOSE MYTHIC.
DOWN WITH MYTHIC, BLOCK MYTHIC
Whats wrong with the company that made the best PvP MMO of all time?
Many people in this forum only want games done on their terms. If they get their wish, we will have no games at all because non will live up to their standards.
Yes, we apologize for having standards.
No no, it's fine for big publishing companies to keep churning out garbage and sticking an air freshener on it.
See... we didn't choose to have standards, we just made the mistake of playing MMOs back when they were still good and we foolishly assumed they'd stay that good.
Umm... do you even know what THEMEPARK means?
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy"
-Seinfeld
You clearly don't.
Safe, casual, new, that doesn't have anything to do with a game being a themepark or not, lol.
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy"
-Seinfeld
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The War Z Shenanigans(youtube)
DayZ FUNTIME!
Mortal Online Vids
Wait, let me guess.
You are one of those people who uses words like "sandpark" or terms like "sandbox features".
"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."
"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy"
-Seinfeld
I'm one of those people who use terms like... MMORPG and WoW clone.
Themepark is a term that was coined circa 2007 to describe games like WoW, LotRO, and the like. Linear, led by the hand, casual, safe, games.
It DOES NOT apply to DAoC or EQ.
http://www.rideaccidents.com/
http://www.accidentsplanet.com/2010/04/10-most-terrible-amusement-park.html
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sorry couldnt resist, beside that I think your definition is a bit... let's say unusual *cough*
On topic: I played UO from before 2nd age until a few months after aos and have no idea how the game changed since then, but I doubt that a true UO2 has a real chance for success.
In times of everybody wins, everything must be balanced and fair, everything is too inconvenient if it's not instant gratification I can't see how a successor of UO would fit in.
The people that originally created Dark Age of Camelot are long gone from Mythic. The lead designer for the RvR that we used to love is the head man for The Elder Scrolls Online I think, not really sure though.
In a world of sharp knives, you would be a spoon.
Actually Mark "The Shitstain" Jacobs was already destroying DAoC before EA bought Mythic. Jacobs created his worthless pile of garbage expansions calle Trials of Shit, and Shit Frontiers. Those 2 worthless expansions were killing DAoC long before Mythic sold out to EA. The Lancelot server that I played on lost around half its playerbase within 3 months of Shit Frontiers. Nobody liked that crap.
In a world of sharp knives, you would be a spoon.
How can you claim the "potential" game is beneath your standards when it isn't even past the approval stage? You know nothing about it. You (I don't literally mean *you*) just refuse to listen to even a possibility of a game being made. The game could have the brightest minds, biggest budget, most creative team ever assembled, but you guys already write it off as rubbish before it even gets off the ground. [mod edit]
You deserve what you get....NOTHING. Have fun playing....NOTHING. /sigh
Actually, New Frontiers was quite popular and well recieved by the majority of the community. ToA was not. Hence why the classic servers came into being. Mythic was planning both a true classic server (roll back to pre SI) and a sequel, but EA canned both projects when they bought Mythic.
Two things.
First, my response was to the poster who claimed that "no game will live up to their standardes".
Second, we know plenty about this game just based off pattern recognition. It's a very VERY safe bet to assume that it'll be garbage, considering what this company is doing to WAR, DAoC, SWTOR, UO, and all the Ultima spinoffs.
Yeah, cause those things worked out SO WELL for SWTOR lmao.
And sure I'll be happy. When devs can live up to the quality of MMOs made by 30 men teams on a shoestring budget in the 90s again, then I'll be happy. Until then, Vanguard will have to do.
The MMO genre has been hoisted on the petard of better graphics, so doubt a small man team will make a mainstream MMO again.
I don’t think Mythic were as bad as some are making out here, but not good enough to get my unequivocal support either.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
Not to mention trying to convince EA...of ALL companies to make it? Next to Blizzard, one of the biggest money whoring gaming companies around. Tells me it will be yet another poorly done, un-entertaining past a month clone like most of the rest of them. Not to mention destroy the legacy of UO.