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Is GW2 the first to encourage a friendly atmosphere?

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  • everlandeverland EverlandPosts: 71Member
    Originally posted by sojobo69
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

    Judging by this forum: NO.


    GW2 only encourages a friendly atmosphere when everyone agrees that GW2 is perfect in every way.

    ^^^^ this 100% the second someone says anything neg in chat watch the chat fire up....

     

    People play the game because they like it.

     

    If I was playing a race game at arcade, having fun with my friends, and suddenly some guy would stand next to us and talk "what a c**p game, why you play it, it sucks", we would just think "what a jerk, why did he even come here?", and then just kick him out of the arcade. Unfortunately, in mmo's you can't do that, no wonder people get angry.

    I go to arcade to play games, not criticize, or discuss about them. I login to mmo to play it, not criticize it or discuss about it, forums like this one are for that.

  • immodiumimmodium ManchesterPosts: 1,578Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by everland
    Originally posted by sojobo69
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

    Judging by this forum: NO.


    GW2 only encourages a friendly atmosphere when everyone agrees that GW2 is perfect in every way.

    ^^^^ this 100% the second someone says anything neg in chat watch the chat fire up....

     

    People play the game because they like it.

     

    If I was playing a race game at arcade, having fun with my friends, and suddenly some guy would stand next to us and talk "what a c**p game, why you play it, it sucks", we would just think "wtf is wrong with this moron", and then just kick him out of the arcade. Unfortunately, in mmo's you can't do that, no wonder people get angry.

    I go to arcade to play games, not criticize, or discuss about them. I login to mmo to play it, not criticize it or discuss about it, forums like this one are for that.

    You can still like something and find flaws with it.

    Someone may like the combat but finds the crafting dull. They are allowed to state it in chat.

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  • MothanosMothanos ArnhemPosts: 1,860Member Uncommon

    In all the events i played i have yet to encounter a person that acts like a coolkid and wannebe epeen dick.

    I died in WvW at a hard to reach location and a dude spotted me as death/downed, he took 3 minutes to reach my place and rezzed me, i was like damn bro awesome you spotted me and rezzed me at this location, no problem he said :)

    One of many things i noticed in GW2, it seems our community = awesome.

  • JagaridJagarid West Covina, CAPosts: 415Member
    Originally posted by immodium

    You really shouldn't need to converse before sending a party invite. If both parties are doing the same DE why would you need to talk?

    You don't need to be in a party I believe so why send the invite? Maybe to actually be sociable?

    From my experience it's mostly the solo players that don't accept invites.

    So..not communicating is sociable now?  Mmm...okay....

    I guess we see things very differently.  

    I see no reason to "group" with a person that has no interest in actual communication, which for me, is a core part of being social.  I actually consider it pretty rude to invite someone without talking to them first.  

    To me a blind invite is akin to some stranger running up to me on the street, tapping me on the shoulder and grabbing my arm to get me to go with them, all without saying a word.   It is not really relevant that where they are trying to drag me might be where I was already going....it is not a friendly way of inviting me along.

  • RoxtarrRoxtarr Freeland, MI, MIPosts: 1,122Member
    One of the reasons my wife won't play MMO's without me with her is because she is afraid she is going to do something 'wrong' and screw up something for someone else.  She always hated the whole "need vs greed" because she couldn't always instantly decide if a piece of gear was better for her or not.  She used to attack creatures to help others, but they would yell at her for 'kill stealing'  When I told her GW2 didn't have any of that garbage, she was immediately interested.  The game actually encourages you to run up and meet/help strangers.

    If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
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  • XiaokiXiaoki White Pigeon, MIPosts: 2,606Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by everland
    Originally posted by sojobo69 Originally posted by Xiaoki Judging by this forum: NO. GW2 only encourages a friendly atmosphere when everyone agrees that GW2 is perfect in every way.
    ^^^^ this 100% the second someone says anything neg in chat watch the chat fire up....
     

    People play the game because they like it.

     

    If I was playing a race game at arcade, having fun with my friends, and suddenly some guy would stand next to us and talk "what a c**p game, why you play it, it sucks", we would just think "what a jerk, why did he even come here?", and then just kick him out of the arcade. Unfortunately, in mmo's you can't do that, no wonder people get angry.

    I go to arcade to play games, not criticize, or discuss about them. I login to mmo to play it, not criticize it or discuss about it, forums like this one are for that.



    "and then just kick him out of the arcade"


    So, someone doesnt like the game you like so you respond with physical violence? Really?!

    And actually think you are justified in this? That has got to be the WORST response I can think of.


    Is this the GW2 community?

  • OziiusOziius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,388Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jagarid
    Originally posted by Praetalus

    I spose it depends on how you look at it. During my time in beta, though I didn't have any issues with other players, I still didn't have much "cooperation" either, meaning, in the starting areas, every single group invite I attempted was declined. People just wanted to run through the stuff it seemed. No granted, I'm sure this changes drastically later in the game, but overall, I didn't find the starting areas that friendly at all. Not hostile, just not friendly per se.

     

    Like I said,  I'm sure this is different later on in the game as I didn't get to make it very far due to the beta, so don't kill me. 

    Just curious, but did you actually take the time to talk to people before you invited them to group?

    90% of the group invites I get from people (in any MMO) are blind invites, without a single word spoken to me.   No way I will ever accept one.   I don't particularly care to share a "social" experience with someone who isn't even social enough to communicate with actual words when requesting to hangout with me, you know?

     

     

    Yes, I did. Rarely received a response, but when I did people said that they were just trying to get through them as they had done them before. It was my first time, but I could tell that others were possibly just going through the motions to get out of the starting area. Like I said, I rarely play any game where people want to group at low levels as, lets face it... shit is usually easy. I just wanted  a group because I was an elementalist and thought a melee folk could help out. 

     

    I'm not trying to trash the game, like I said, I just didn't find it as "friendly" as some of you are making it out. Honestly, the most friendly game I've played lately, even at low levels has been champions online..lol.

  • Stx11Stx11 West Hills, CAPosts: 415Member

    From a game design perspective I can't think of any game that has made PvE such a friendly and accessable experience.

    As far as the community goes I think it'll be a great one at least in PvE areas. LOTRO, CoH, and FFXI all had pretty fantastic communities and like GW2 kept there "PvP out of their PvE" which I think makes a huge different.

    Having said that, there will be a segment of "Trolls" simply because it is B2P and a certain "undesireable element" will hang around starting areas and social hubs spewing what they spew...

    But that unlike many games they will be largely ignored "out in the world" because most people will be too involved in dodging, fighting mobs, and having fun with the people around them to notice.

  • WickedjellyWickedjelly Yahoo, COPosts: 4,990Member

    I wouldn't go that far.

    It is however nice that unlike some other games they handled kill stealing, ninja looting,  etc. Nice to see some devs that appear to be aware of what were problems or annoyances in some other games and ensure they aren't an issue with GW2.

    1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

    2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

    3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIPosts: 4,249Member Uncommon

    TSW was built this way regarding mob sharing(you get credit for the mob, but the first person to attack gets the loot), and LotRO plans to allow for shared credit at least in some areas, once RoR releases.

    It's a welcome change in my book.  Mob lock was originally intended to stop kill stealing and ninja looting, while letting everyone have their own loot was deemed "unrealistic".  I wonder how long it'll take for some uninformed MMO vets to pick up on that and stop CAPPING at everyone for "stealing their mobs"... image

    If Turbine is smart, they'll move their whole system to this ASAP, being largely PvE coop based and all...

  • JagaridJagarid West Covina, CAPosts: 415Member
    Originally posted by Praetalus

    Yes, I did. Rarely received a response, but when I did people said that they were just trying to get through them as they had done them before. It was my first time, but I could tell that others were possibly just going through the motions to get out of the starting area. Like I said, I rarely play any game where people want to group at low levels as, lets face it... shit is usually easy. I just wanted  a group because I was an elementalist and thought a melee folk could help out. 

     I'm not trying to trash the game, like I said, I just didn't find it as "friendly" as some of you are making it out. Honestly, the most friendly game I've played lately, even at low levels has been champions online..lol.

    Fair enough. I pretty much always accept group invites from people who verbally communicate with me.  (the exception being if I am going to be logging off soon).   My guild is all the same way too.  But there are a whole lot of players that don't like grouping when just out getting xp.  I think you'll see that in GW2 as much as any game.  

    Hopefully you have a good guild for launch that makes it simpler to find adventuring companions. If not, I am sure you will find one soon enough.  Social players usually do. 

    Cheers!

  • immodiumimmodium ManchesterPosts: 1,578Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jagarid
    Originally posted by immodium

    You really shouldn't need to converse before sending a party invite. If both parties are doing the same DE why would you need to talk?

    You don't need to be in a party I believe so why send the invite? Maybe to actually be sociable?

    From my experience it's mostly the solo players that don't accept invites.

    So..not communicating is sociable now?  Mmm...okay....

    I guess we see things very differently.  

    I see no reason to "group" with a person that has no interest in actual communication, which for me, is a core part of being social.  I actually consider it pretty rude to invite someone without talking to them first.  

    To me a blind invite is akin to some stranger running up to me on the street, tapping me on the shoulder and grabbing my arm to get me to go with them, all without saying a word.   It is not really relevant that where they are trying to drag me might be where I was already going....it is not a friendly way of inviting me along.

    Well, sending a party invite is a form communicating. I don't see the need in stating the obvious before sending a party invite if both members are doing the same thing.

     

    I can see where your coming from though if your just chilling in a rest zone. But if your out and about questing, doing the same thing why do you need to chat before hand?

    I couldn't imagine two vikings passing pleasantries while bashing a common foe before agreeing to party up. :)

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  • everlandeverland EverlandPosts: 71Member
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

     


    Originally posted by everland

    Originally posted by sojobo69

    Originally posted by Xiaoki Judging by this forum: NO. GW2 only encourages a friendly atmosphere when everyone agrees that GW2 is perfect in every way.
    ^^^^ this 100% the second someone says anything neg in chat watch the chat fire up....
     

     

    People play the game because they like it.

     

    If I was playing a race game at arcade, having fun with my friends, and suddenly some guy would stand next to us and talk "what a c**p game, why you play it, it sucks", we would just think "what a jerk, why did he even come here?", and then just kick him out of the arcade. Unfortunately, in mmo's you can't do that, no wonder people get angry.

    I go to arcade to play games, not criticize, or discuss about them. I login to mmo to play it, not criticize it or discuss about it, forums like this one are for that.


    "and then just kick him out of the arcade"

     


    So, someone doesnt like the game you like so you respond with physical violence? Really?!

    And actually think you are justified in this? That has got to be the WORST response I can think of.


    Is this the GW2 community?

    What's wrong with you? Don't you understand situation I presented? A guy comes up to me and my firends at arcade and is picking a fight. Disturbing us. You can either call the arcade owner to throw him out, or do it yourself. Only some kind of drunk looking for trouble would do that in real life (in mmos its diffrerent). What do you do with a guy that is obviously just looking for trouble? You defend. No normal guy will come to you at arcade and talk bad about the game you play, this only happens in mmo's, so it's hard to explain.

    You people read what you want to see.

    "Is this the GW2 community".. hmm.. am I community? I'm one guy?..... I am tiny % of fans on this forum, which are tiny % of all fans of the game. If you don't like the game because I'm to violent.... I wonder how many other nice things in life you miss because of other people...

  • JagaridJagarid West Covina, CAPosts: 415Member
    Originally posted by Robsolf

    TSW was built this way regarding mob sharing(you get credit for the mob, but the first person to attack gets the loot), and LotRO plans to allow for shared credit at least in some areas, once RoR releases.

    It's a welcome change in my book.  Mob lock was originally intended to stop kill stealing and ninja looting, while letting everyone have their own loot was deemed "unrealistic".  I wonder how long it'll take for some uninformed MMO vets to pick up on that and stop CAPPING at everyone for "stealing their mobs"... image

    If Turbine is smart, they'll move their whole system to this ASAP.

    In TSW though the mob experience gets divided amongst the participants. 

    I thought it was a really cool feature in that game too, until a few hours into it when I helped someone take down a named MOB at the end of a quest chain (at the airport in Kingsmouth).  The dude sent such a stream of curses at me via both whispers and   over the general chat channel that my ears turned red!   I also didn't know about the xp being divided but when I told him that, he just said a few more strings of curses....

    I agree that its a good system, but unfortunately the way it was implimented in TSW doesn't compare to GW2.  THey just changed the issue from "mob stealing" to "XP stealing".    :-/

  • grimalgrimal Stamford, CTPosts: 2,873Member Uncommon

    Absolutely not.  These "is GW2 the first to do this" threads are grasping at straws and really adding to the over-hype nonsense.

     

    Some examples to backup my claim of NO:

    1) UO removed open PK to make the environment less hostile

    2) Later MMOs removed ability to kill steal, thus less hostile environments.

    3) Vanguard encourage people to Harvest together as it would produce items for all parties.

    4) WAR introduced PGs to give a community type quest system

    5) SWG relied a lot on community-driven events such as elections, towns building, etc.

    6) SWTOR rewarded groups via social points.

    7) There are other MMOs that actually increase the EXP given by the larger the group size.

     

    So, a resounding NO.  Also, remember, whatever community you experienced was during BETA and most MMOs at beta have awesome communites. Usually at launch it nosedives.

     

  • Stx11Stx11 West Hills, CAPosts: 415Member
    Originally posted by Praetalus
    Originally posted by Jagarid

    Just curious, but did you actually take the time to talk to people before you invited them to group?

    90% of the group invites I get from people (in any MMO) are blind invites, without a single word spoken to me.   No way I will ever accept one.   I don't particularly care to share a "social" experience with someone who isn't even social enough to communicate with actual words when requesting to hangout with me, you know? 

    Yes, I did. Rarely received a response, but when I did people said that they were just trying to get through them as they had done them before. It was my first time, but I could tell that others were possibly just going through the motions to get out of the starting area. Like I said, I rarely play any game where people want to group at low levels as, lets face it... shit is usually easy. I just wanted  a group because I was an elementalist and thought a melee folk could help out. 

     

    I'm not trying to trash the game, like I said, I just didn't find it as "friendly" as some of you are making it out. Honestly, the most friendly game I've played lately, even at low levels has been champions online..lol.

    Just a thought, but people do play differently in a BWE than they do when the game is live. I had little interest in joining a guild or grouping with others during my limited weekend playtime so I could focus on completing the goals I'd set for myself (like testing Professions, or gathering to test out crafting). But when the game is "live" and I'm playing on a Server I plan to be my long-term home with people I hope to be my long-term community my goals change as will how I react to group invites.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIPosts: 4,249Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by immodium
    Originally posted by Jagarid
    Originally posted by immodium

    You really shouldn't need to converse before sending a party invite. If both parties are doing the same DE why would you need to talk?

    You don't need to be in a party I believe so why send the invite? Maybe to actually be sociable?

    From my experience it's mostly the solo players that don't accept invites.

    So..not communicating is sociable now?  Mmm...okay....

    I guess we see things very differently.  

    I see no reason to "group" with a person that has no interest in actual communication, which for me, is a core part of being social.  I actually consider it pretty rude to invite someone without talking to them first.  

    To me a blind invite is akin to some stranger running up to me on the street, tapping me on the shoulder and grabbing my arm to get me to go with them, all without saying a word.   It is not really relevant that where they are trying to drag me might be where I was already going....it is not a friendly way of inviting me along.

    Well, sending a party invite is a form communicating. I don't see the need in stating the obvious before sending a party invite if both members are doing the same thing.

    I can see where your coming from though if your just chilling in a rest zone. But if your out and about questing, doing the same thing why do you need to chat before hand?

    I couldn't imagine two vikings passing pleasantries while bashing a common foe before agreeing to party up. :)

    That's the way I see it, too.  If you're in an area that's for a very specific quest(s), I don't mind if someone sends an invite, unless they send it when I'm in combat.  However, if I'm running through town and I get an invite out of the blue, I think that's kinda rude, too.

    That's one thing I can say about TSW's quests; in most cases, it's pretty clear what quest you're on based on where you are; the Jack O' Lantern line comes to mind, particularly.

  • immodiumimmodium ManchesterPosts: 1,578Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by everland
    Originally posted by Xiaoki

     


    Originally posted by everland

    Originally posted by sojobo69

    Originally posted by Xiaoki Judging by this forum: NO. GW2 only encourages a friendly atmosphere when everyone agrees that GW2 is perfect in every way.
    ^^^^ this 100% the second someone says anything neg in chat watch the chat fire up....
     

     

    People play the game because they like it.

     

    If I was playing a race game at arcade, having fun with my friends, and suddenly some guy would stand next to us and talk "what a c**p game, why you play it, it sucks", we would just think "what a jerk, why did he even come here?", and then just kick him out of the arcade. Unfortunately, in mmo's you can't do that, no wonder people get angry.

    I go to arcade to play games, not criticize, or discuss about them. I login to mmo to play it, not criticize it or discuss about it, forums like this one are for that.


    "and then just kick him out of the arcade"

     


    So, someone doesnt like the game you like so you respond with physical violence? Really?!

    And actually think you are justified in this? That has got to be the WORST response I can think of.


    Is this the GW2 community?

    What's wrong with you? Don't you understand situation I presented? A guy comes up to me and my firends at arcade and is picking a fight. Disturbing us. You can either call the arcade owner to throw him out, or do it yourself. Only some kind of drunk looking for trouble would do that in real life (in mmos its diffrerent). What do you do with a guy that is obviously just looking for trouble? You defend. No normal guy will come to you at arcade and talk bad about the game you play, this only happens in mmo's, so it's hard to explain.

    You people read what you want to see.

    "Is this the GW2 community".. hmm.. am I community? I'm one guy?..... I am tiny % of fans on this forum, which are tiny % of all fans of the game. If you don't like the game because I'm to violent.... I wonder how many other nice things in life you miss because of other people...

    The guy isn't even insulting you. If anything he's picking a fight with the game, not you. :)

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  • JagaridJagarid West Covina, CAPosts: 415Member
    Originally posted by immodium

    Well, sending a party invite is a form communicating. I don't see the need in stating the obvious before sending a party invite if both members are doing the same thing.

     I can see where your coming from though if your just chilling in a rest zone. But if your out and about questing, doing the same thing why do you need to chat before hand?

    I couldn't imagine two vikings passing pleasantries while bashing a common foe before agreeing to party up. :)

    You know, I have been playing MMOs for a really, really, really long time....and I never thought about it that way.

    You actually make valid points.   I honestly have always refused the invites because, as I said above, I considered them as "rude"...  but looking at it from your perspective, perhaps that is not always the case.   You have successfully convinced me to consider each blind invite individually rather than refusing them out-of-hand for rudeness.

    Congrats, it isn't easy to convince this old dog to see things differently, and you just did.

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    During one of the earlier beta's, I actually had a case where I saw someone fighting in one of the starter areas (outside Divinity Reach). I decided to join in as it was part of an event. She said "go find your own things to kill". I said, b%$#h, you are in the wrong game then lol.

    There Is Always Hope!

  • UtukuMoonUtukuMoon ParisPosts: 1,066Member
    Originally posted by Nephaerius
    RaiderZ has even taken some of GW2's mechanics.  Yesterday during the beta test for RaiderZ I happened upon another player fighting a boss mob.  I helped him finish the enemy off and then I got credit for my quest too even though he had tagged the mob first and we weren't in a party together.  Good times.  Hope these ideas catch on more.

    To answer the OP question,nope GW2 is not the first MMO to encourage a freiendly atmosphere,you can find this as far back in games like eq.

    Secondly, RaiderZ has not taken some of GW2 mechanics,more like GW2 has taken some of RaideZ mechanics,after all RaiderZ has been in development longer than GW2.

    Work began on GW2 in 2007 

    RaiderZ 2006

    Now,i like GW2 as much as the next person but i also think RaiderZ is very good as well,to be honest the combat is right up their with GW2 imo,especially the class system.

    Some GW2 fans need to stop getting carried away.Yes, GW2 is a fab game but all these "is gw2 the first" threads our over the top.

  • JagaridJagarid West Covina, CAPosts: 415Member
    Originally posted by keithian
    During one of the earlier beta's, I actually had a case where I saw someone fighting in one of the starter areas (outside Divinity Reach). I decided to join in as it was part of an event. She said "go find your own things to kill". I said, b%$#h, you are in the wrong game then lol.

    I expect we will see a lot of this come the 28th when people who have not already played the game get into it.

    It's a paradigm shift and many players are not going to be aware of it.

    They will learn, eventually.

  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 1,934Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by grimal

    Absolutely not.  These "is GW2 the first to do this" thing threads are grasping at strars and really adding to the over-hype nonsense.

     

    Some examples to backup my claim of NO:

    1) UO removed open PK to make the environment less hostile

    2) Later MMOs removed ability to kill steal, thus less hostile environments.

    3) Vanguard encourage people to Harvest together as it would produce items for all parties.

    4) WAR introduced PGs to give a community type quest system

    5) SWG relied a lot on community-driven events such as elections, towns building, etc.

    6) SWTOR rewarded groups via social points.

    7) There are other MMOs that actually increase the EXP given by the larger the group size.

     

    So, a resounding NOAlso, remember, whatever community you experienced was during BETA and most MMOs at beta have awesome communites. Usually at launch it nosedives.

     

    I agree with the red part.

    As to the OP's idea:

    I appreciate that GW is getting rid of certain elements of the game which may harm the peace and balance in the community. I believe that it may seem to be a valid reason for the community to be friendly. However, I would not be too optimistic since you are still bound with a random sample of people playing on your realm. Intolerant people will still be intolerant, rude people will still be rude and well...a**holes will still be...

    Waiting for L2 EU Classic

  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIPosts: 4,249Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jagarid
    Originally posted by Robsolf

    TSW was built this way regarding mob sharing(you get credit for the mob, but the first person to attack gets the loot), and LotRO plans to allow for shared credit at least in some areas, once RoR releases.

    It's a welcome change in my book.  Mob lock was originally intended to stop kill stealing and ninja looting, while letting everyone have their own loot was deemed "unrealistic".  I wonder how long it'll take for some uninformed MMO vets to pick up on that and stop CAPPING at everyone for "stealing their mobs"... image

    If Turbine is smart, they'll move their whole system to this ASAP.

    In TSW though the mob experience gets divided amongst the participants. 

    I thought it was a really cool feature in that game too, until a few hours into it when I helped someone take down a named MOB at the end of a quest chain (at the airport in Kingsmouth).  The dude sent such a stream of curses at me via both whispers and   over the general chat channel that my ears turned red!   I also didn't know about the xp being divided but when I told him that, he just said a few more strings of curses....

    I agree that its a good system, but unfortunately the way it was implimented in TSW doesn't compare to GW2.  THey just changed the issue from "mob stealing" to "XP stealing".    :-/

    Ah... I didn't even know about the XP sharing!  image

    Still, a pretty lame thing for that guy to get all unglued about.  Imagine Buffy getting in Willow's grill for going after the same vamp...

    They should change that, then.  Everybody should get full XP so long as they contribute X amount of damage or player healing/buffing.  For it to be "exploitable", it really depends on how much mob XP factors into your overall advancement.  I don't recall it being much in TSW.

  • keithiankeithian Los Angeles, CAPosts: 3,042Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Jagarid
    Originally posted by keithian
    During one of the earlier beta's, I actually had a case where I saw someone fighting in one of the starter areas (outside Divinity Reach). I decided to join in as it was part of an event. She said "go find your own things to kill". I said, b%$#h, you are in the wrong game then lol.

    I expect we will see a lot of this come the 28th when people who have not already played the game get into it.

    It's a paradigm shift and many players are not going to be aware of it.

    They will learn, eventually.

    I sure hope so. I never understand why people would prefer to be left alone in a game that encourages being social.

    There Is Always Hope!

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