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It's going to happen, it's not going to stop, best to just ignore all opinion for anything and just play the games you want.
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
Originally posted by seridan Originally posted by coretex666 Originally posted by k-damage Originally posted by DSWBeef I see more hate directed at people criticizing GW2 from their community then from people who dont like them game. Say one thing bad about GW2 and you get gang raped by GW2 fanboys.
Not directed at you specifically, but let's make it clear yet another time :
It's because we don't CARE about those critics. We already know the flaws of the game, thank you to those armchair journalists, but we don't need their "exceptional insight" to see those small problems.
But yet, they still persist in creating criticizing topics in gw2 forum. It's not very hard to use common sense by looking at how a game is well received by a community, and then judge how unproportionate it would feel to create a 100% hate post.
Plus, as it's been said tons and tons of times, 90% of those critics are just pure miseducation about the game, or plain disinformation.
And finally, the most bothering part is that these people feel the need to create a 38729083290th topic about critic #3, that has been mentionned already tons of times in the past. So it means they simply don't read others in this forum. Personally, that's what I'm going crusader against. People who just don't frackin read other members posts and still feel the need to voice their opinion by creating YET another topic on the same subject.
So if a person wants to discuss some aspect of the game which they consider to be a weakness, what are they supposed to do? Keep it for themselves because you dont care about those critics? If you dont care why do you mind? If someone introduces negative opinion on something related to a product, I would not expect people to take it as personal insult. Why would they...
There are lots of ways to start a discussion over some aspect of a game. When it comes to GW2 it's mostly unconstructive posts without facts or anything to back them up, simple "hate" posts like "this game sucks" with no other reasoning than "because I say so". What kind of an answer would anyone expect to those kind of posts? An in-depth analysis as to why they are wrong? Maybe they should analyze why they feel in such a way first. And no I haven't seen a constructive post around here that was bashed or dismissed as trolling, we are just full of non-sense posts that serve no reason.
When I say this, I obviously do not mean hate posts, so I will take the liberty not to answer your question of what answer I would expect to this kind of posts.
I meant posts that attempt at providing constructive criticism or expressing negative opinion in a correct manner. I think that people should be allowed to make these threads and that their opinions should be tolerated even if they are not shared by the people reacting to them instead of being told "We dont care about those critics".
Originally posted by coretex666 Originally posted by seridan Originally posted by coretex666 Originally posted by k-damage Originally posted by DSWBeef I see more hate directed at people criticizing GW2 from their community then from people who dont like them game. Say one thing bad about GW2 and you get gang raped by GW2 fanboys.
I agree, that's the only way for any game to go forward.
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums
Originally posted by coretex666 When I say this, I obviously do not mean hate posts, so I will take the liberty not to answer your question of what answer I would expect to this kind of posts. I meant posts that attempt at providing constructive criticism or expressing negative opinion in a correct manner. I think that people should be allowed to make these threads and that their opinions should be tolerated even if they are not shared by the people reacting to them instead of being told "We dont care about those critics".
I'll answer with another question : why absolutely feeling the need to create another 323278th topic about something one don't like with the game ? Why feeling the need to create a topic about it, except a huge "hey it's me ! I got something VERY important to say, gw2 fans !" ? Why ? Why not simply doing a forum search, chose one of the (very) numerous topics already created about the discussion subject, and post into it ?
And yes, enthusiasts don't care about critics, dude. Meanwhile, they are totally open with debating on a certain subject, and its intrications, in a polite manner, but certainly not open to make the effort to stay civil against a critic that is either 1) just disinformation, 2) blurry, 3) miseducated, 4) provokative
And let's be honest, this is precisely the kind of tone I've seen for monthes now.
Because question has never been about discussing something good or bad in a game. If you read all the constructive discussions in this forum, you'll find that most of them can easily start to talk about something considered a "problem", but never trigger any hate from fans. Because it's well written, unprovokative, and most of all, not monomaniac about the point it's talking about. Most haters that we're talking about here are that : monomaniacs always bashing the same subject over and over, with the same (non) argument over and over... over ... over and over .... It's just insane at some point.
So in the end, the only message we could tell to them is "OK WE GET IT now move along and just enjoy the positives in that damn game."
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Originally posted by Amjoco Damn I'm mad spelled backwards is still Damn I'm Mad. The hate needs to stop and be directed at FPS.
No its not. Its Damm In Mad. But yes, stop the hate!
I didn't like GW2 when I first heard of it. I didn't like Guild Wars 1 very much either - the instancing was too much for me and I didnt really get into the graphics. I was an Ultima / EverQuest / Vanguard old school MMORPG player, I liked the long travelling, the complicated stats, hundreds of quests where I ran around this massive world for a tiny reward, hunting for items so I could get an extra +1 toughness or a slight advantage against mobs. I liked being a dedicated Healer and putting all my time into making my character better.
But, after making some posts here, and being shown videos and explained how it was different, I finally decided to get the Pre-order and try out the beta (although I was secretly thinking "this is going to suck", right up until my Asura Elementalist almost fell over while casting and I laughed out loud).
You know what? I spend every day now checking for new information, watching the latest guide videos, reading the forums, and telling my friends about this cool new game thats coming out. I can't wait to take part at launch, and I'm seriously impressed with ArenaNet and how they have studied other games and worked out just what wasnt working and fixed it. Even down to tiny details like opening the servers a few hours early so they have time to spot any problems before offical launch time, and removing the need for queues.
It's like a breath of fresh air, and I think those who "hate" the game based on heresay should try to give it a go and see if they still feel the same after an hour or so. I think you might be pleasantly surprised.
"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright
Like others said. Topics like "Why GW2 is going to fail" always get blocked, because there is never any constructive criticism. It's always "It will because I said so", people who don't like the game, never back their theories up with arguments, it's always statements. One on a billion posts like that has some arguments, but those are mostly incorrect, because someone was to lazy to actually read some stickies and learn about the game.
Which is even more wierd, because how can someone don't like a game, that he doesn't even know. It's like the person is set to hate the game from the beginning for some reason, and then just dedicates himself to search for negatives.
I don't really think that this is some kind of marketing, they are regular people who get really frustrated by other people who like the game and praise it, like the OP wrote.
Why? That's how people work. I think it is mostly jealousy, because they see people who are really in love with a game, while they themselves can't find a game they can enjoy anymore. Frustration grows to the point they need to release it on forums.
If you just don't like a game, you stay quiet. It needs to get personal for someone to write about it.
You shouldn't worry, people have brains and will verify empty statements by themselves, doing their own research.
Originally posted by donpopuki There seems to be a bit of nativity concerning the common Internet activity of "paid to post". The OP is right to suspect certain posts are dubious in their nature. Easy tells are load questions like "have you stopped beating your wife?" or "How long will it take Anernanet to fix the broken combat system?
Paid to Post is a rising problem, undoubtedly. I tried to start a discussion about it ages ago, but it was moved in nobody-will-see-this-topic-land : http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/345774/page/1
There is also this well known fact that some other MMO players really don't like how they're gonna be left alone when GW2 will be released :
Seen on Arena Junkies, in the article where they announce the integration of GW2 in their site :
Originally posted by Donald "already cant find partners, no one go to gw2 thx "
Fact is, for almost one full year, GW2 fans have mercilessly trolled the forums of any other game that could be seen as a competitor to GW2 during its release. The very first few pages showed a few forum avatars that are well recognized for showing into other games forums to trash talk their game and tell people not to try those "trash"games because GW2 is coming yada yada.
GW2 hardcore fans have been by far the most virulent cult like crew that I've seen since WoW. Now their time is finally coming that the world in general get to see the game for themselves and not only as GW2 fans present it. And they finally get to see with their own eyes the emperor has no clothes - it's just another MMO - not particularly better or worse than others but with a helluva cash shop. All these passionate GW2 fans are getting is what they have been dishing out to other games for a year.
Simple as that.
You just have to stop and think critically about your game the same as you've been lashing on other games all this time.
All hail the Barn Owl! oh.. and the RED SQUIRREL!!!
It's funny because GW2 is one of the few titles that doesn't have as much hate as other mmos do. At least you don't see "WoW clone" all over the place. People are just making up stupid arguments for the sake of arguing. All the "hate" mostly comes down to :
"they lied to us about random events, they aren't random at all"
"optimization sucks, my 3xGTX 680 gets bad performance on stress tests"
"OMG IT'S PAY2WIN"
And the occasional "there are no raids" other than that there really hasn't been all that much in terms of real problems with the game. This is mostly because ArenaNet didn't promise us any features or hyped the game with anything that didn't exist or doesn't work. There are no cinematic trailers, no bullshit. Sure there are things that they made sound better than they actually are (not by much) but it's all just marketing and everyone does it, even Blizzard . Can you imagine if Blizzard told you how dull and repetetive WoW actually is?
That's just my 2cents. I'm not a fanboy of any game I love all games of all genres.
Originally posted by CMark Fact is, for almost one full year, GW2 fans have mercilessly trolled the forums of any other game that could be seen as a competitor to GW2 during its release. The very first few pages showed a few forum avatars that are well recognized for showing into other games forums to trash talk their game and tell people not to try those "trash"games because GW2 is coming yada yada. GW2 hardcore fans have been by far the most virulent cult like crew that I've seen since WoW. Now their time is finally coming that the world in general get to see the game for themselves and not only as GW2 fans present it. And they finally get to see with their own eyes the emperor has no clothes - it's just another MMO - not particularly better or worse than others but with a helluva cash shop. All these passionate GW2 fans are getting is what they have been dishing out to other games for a year. Simple as that. You just have to stop and think critically about your game the same as you've been lashing on other games all this time.
Saying "GW2 fans" did this or that, after reading this thread. Since you should know there are lots of people that trash talk every game, and claim they are fans of other, which is not always true since they can be paid to do this. That + the fact that mostly it is other people that call them fans, they do not claim it themselves. "Oh, must be another fanboy".
Originally posted by Pravana I don't honestly believe that people who claim to hate GW2 actually do. Many of these people claimed they've played thousands of hours of games like EQ, DAoC, and WoW. How could they hate a game that is stepping of the box while trying to attract most classic RPG lovers? There's been mutterings of the genre dying choking on the venom of their communities and the greed of publishers. Why would people who are so passionate about the genre turn on their own? People are writing well formed posts about the game only be dead wrong about almost everything they wrote! They want to convince people that an MMORPG shouldn't be played or at least tried by fans of the genre. I wish that people would stop pretending that its the game that they're hating NOT the fans of the game. I'm tried of the all contrived ways people are coming up with to justify their Gamer Envy. Yep, I said envy. Many people who play MMOrpgs play them out the obligation or habit but................... IT WASN"T ALWAYS LIKE THIS. THEY USED TO ENJOY GAMES THEY PLAYED. The journey was the adventure. Challenge was fun not duanting. Gear was for show and you guildmates were family in every way that mattered. Now there's a game that has captured that spirit again they want to pretend that the game glaring flaws or shortcomings. IMHO they want to feel the excitement and wonder many GW2 fans have for their own game. They envy the experience that can't be brought with a box set or with a monthly subscription fee. It's the true love that comes with being a fan the game. Your gear can't show you love neither can your PVP rating. Only community full of passionate and welcoming fans can do that. If you read through this thanks. I really need to get this off my chest.
I don't hate it but I won't play it... not a fan of GW universe, I find it boring.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
Before, during, or after writing your view, did you think you would come off as a bit hypocritical?
Every forum has haters of other games in them. In my view you are one of them just like the rest. Take your own advice.
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Originally posted by maji I don't hate GW2. I guess on a scale of 1 (hate), through 5 (neutral), towards 10 (love) I've been on a 7. Then the rabid fanboys came, and I'm down to a 4.
If other people can annoy you to the point they influence your judgment so badly, I hope for you it is not the same in real life, cause it would be a problem.
Originally posted by everland
I read that a few times . . . it still was too incoherent to understand. Just, for shiz and giggles. Take several random posters from the first 3 pages and look at their post history. You will find more than a few in forums other than GW2 showing unnanounced to troll them. Doing to other games for many months in advance, what you are accusing others to doing to your precious Kool-Aid right now.
Now, much like cults, there is no room for reasoning or arguing - just burn the witch that dares not agree with us. That's fine. Point's been made. Some of us will just chill back and relax - and watch. It'll be a few months. 3-6. It'll be fun.
If i would generate a "love" to a game based on "fanboyism", i should skip the video games as whole by now.
Just play the game when it releases and dont give a damn about others. Or better, dont read public forums, it become less annoying like that. Trust me
Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2Waiting for: Pathfinder Online
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
Those who like and those who dislike both tend to make absolute statements. GW2 IS... GW2 WON'T... Then they back them up with sweeping statements and no hard factual evidence. Generally because the hard factual evidence is limited.
An example is the GW2 end game. No one has been there. There was a 20 minute or so vid on Twitch TV on it from the devs but NO ONE has factual 'I DID THIS'. (And let's face it, a handful of people don't equal the 2-3 million who will be playing, even if there was a factual pro or con statement rolling around.)
The only really accurate statement is 'I played it and I like it'. 'I played it and I didn't like it'.
For me, I played it. I like it. I am going to enjoy myself until I don't and I hope THAT point is a long time coming.
Originally posted by Pravana I don't honestly believe that people who claim to hate GW2 actually do. Many of these people claimed they've played thousands of hours of games like EQ, DAoC, and WoW. How could they hate a game that is stepping of the box while trying to attract most classic RPG lovers?
Because that's not how they see it.
Originally posted by CMark Originally posted by everland
It's funny how I just wrote that people come to this forums and write their bold statements, backing them up with absolutely nothing, and then you came talking about the game being emperor without no clothes, throwing these empty statements and dark predictions, totally proving my point.
While we try to generalize, that haters are everywere, every game has them, and some are paid, you come, and start to write how GW2 fans are bad. You might be a perfect example of the people we are talking about here.
How are you different from the the "most virulent cult" that we represent? You just did the same thing you was writing about, you came to this forum and talked bad about this game. Hypocrisy?
I would LOVE to play this game...there are elements i dont like but more that i do like.I dont however want to be part of its community.I think every game has flaws and to me a community that wants to call a game *perfect* before its even launched is a recipe for disaster.
I migh even play the game....im not 1 to let others ruin my fun.But its not bad game design keeping me away..its gamers with bad attitudes.
Originally posted by Aerowyn Originally posted by QuicklyScott You are correct, OP. I don't hate the game itself. Months ago when I first tried the BWE I didn't like the game at all. I didn't hate it though. I came on this site, brought up issues I had with the game, answered people's threads and received a rediculous amount of hate, I saw others with similar views jumped on 24/7. I admit it's got a lot better since then. I once posted a reasonable comment on a Youtube GW2 video about a problem I had with the game, my inbox was filled with dozens of "omg drop dead you WoW noob, get cancer" it is because of my experience with the fans, I now hate the game. I will be glad when it's out, people can just enjoy it, and it won't be the biggest thing anymore. I know I'm being unreasonable, but people can't help how they feel. PS. The emotion in your OP made me feel incredibly uncomfortable.
so you are basing your whole current opinion on the game over a very very small minority of people that will play GW2 and who post on this forum?
Aerowyn you just really empathise why this is a problem on this forum. You simply can't get why some people don't like your favorite game and it doesn't matter how many times you accuse them of lying, post videos from enthusiastic fans, post blogs from ANET, that simple fact won't change.
Seriously just let it go, in life some people just won't get what you see in something.
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