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The WoW Killer! Proof and Evidence incl.

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer ChairPosts: 7,609Member Epic

    ............


    Really?

  • thinktank001thinktank001 oasisPosts: 2,110Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jwhitehorn   I just did a bit of research and it appears that they are already backpeddling to a F2P model and it hasn't even launched yet.  Man that has to be some kind of new record.  Good thing I was here to tell you guys about the real wow-killer then.

     

    Have you lived under a rock?  

     

    GW2 was designed with the P2W business model from the start.  

  • GrrlGrrl B-Town, CAPosts: 354Member Uncommon
    I was in Salem's Beta. All I can say is it's definitely NOT a WoW-Killer. Far from it. LOL
  • HomituHomitu Hometown, HIPosts: 2,030Member Uncommon
    Agreed.  I can't see myself subbing to GW2 for more than a month or 2.  Glad this Slumdog game or whatever it's called is coming out.  
  • eggy08eggy08 erie, PAPosts: 525Member
    Originally posted by jwhitehorn
    Greetings Fine Citizens of MMORPG,   First, let me begin by telling you all that I have played World of Warcraft for over 8 years.  For those who have been under a rock WoW has been the leading and #1 MMO since it was created.  While I am not one to use resume's to justify an analysis I think we can all agree that Drew Brees or an elite quaterback on an elite team has a better understanding of the game of football because of his experiences on that team.  So because of my experience with the #1 MMO I certainly have a knowledge of "what works".  Add in that I have played other online games like Travian, Dragonvale, and I even still have memories of my older brother playing th Legendary Everquest.  I think it is sufficient to say that I may not know EVERYTHING about every game but I certainly know more than at least 96% of gamers.  So please enjoy as I let you in on a little secret.   The Real WoW Killer   Thanks to the miracle of youtube I have an intimate understanding of almost all MMO's since wow.  I have watched almost every gameplay video and immediately realized that the game would not be a WoW killer.  I predicted that SWTOR would not kill wow.  Then I predicted that Rift would not kill wow.  Then I predicted that Cataclysm would not kill WoW even though people don't like fighting dragons as much anymore in WoW.  And of course recently most through beta testing we have come to the harsh realization that even GW2 will have to go F2P and lose most of its subscribers in the first month.  But if I knew about all those failures before they happened why am I telling you about a WoW-killer now?  Well that is because the true wow-killer has arrived.   Enter the Champion   The real wow killer will be a game called "Salum".  Below I will give you just a few of the gameplay features that set this game apart from all others.  As well as an in-depth analysis of each item. Larger Game World Unique Leveling System More Diverse Mob Engagements Thriving Open World PVP Death Penalty Player Housing   Larger Game World   Yes thats right this world is HUGE!  So large that I imagine the development team probably spent 5+ years just in designing the whole map.  To give you a clear perspective of how large this world is if you were to take the entire surface area of Mars where the USA Rover just landed it is probably that big.  I believe it would take our rover over a week to walk the entire surface of mars and this world I imagine is no different.   Unique Leveling System   DING!.  Congrats!  Oh the words you loved to hear.  But do you hear them anymore?  All too frequently games make you the max level too fast or offer a recruit-a-friend option that allows you to hit max level super fast.  While some people feel accomlishment for getting there they then realize that their life is empty and lacks focus.  Why play if you have no more ding's to achieve?  In this game there are tons of levels each in their own skills so if you max one then you can move on to the next meaning there are many more "dings" to be had.  When you took Football away from Joe Paterno we all know what happened.  The same fate will be suffered by WoW since their player base has so many long lull's with nothing to look forward to.   More Diverse Mob Engagements   In Salum you start by killing Crickets.  Thats right!  A cricket!  In WoW when you killed a dragon it was not as big a deal because honestly I remember killing baby dragons and wolves as low as level 7.  The gap and diversity of just wasn't there which again hinders your sense of pride and inevitably makes you question your manhood.  Nobody wants that.  By struggling with a cricket and yes sometimes even losing you will feel that much stronger when you are powerful enough to slay a dragon in salum.   Thriving Open World PVP   I havn't seen a single battleground in Salum.  Everywhere you go you have to scared which means you have to be focus'd.  The more you focus on something the more intense it gets.  A big focus is the reason that a magnifying glass can get so intesnse it can burn things.  The gameplay of this game is equally intense which will let them keep more subscribers and maybe even raise subscription costs if they wanted to.  WoW could never get away with raising costs so when inflation turns on $14.99/mo might as well be $4.00 if they can't raise it.   Death Penalty   This game has a Death penalty.  Not just a run back to your body death penalty but you actually lose stuff.  In WoW I would also just kill my character so I could see the new zones without having to dodge mobs.  In this game there is no ghost mode so if I want to try to find a new zone I have to run there dodging crickets myself.  This changes the entire perception and play.   Player Housing   This is by far the most important aspect of any MMO and WoW really missed the boat here.  I even offered WoW a profit sharing split where they can take my revolutionary idea to make houses in a MMO and we can split the $$.  They didn't even have the curtiousy to return my e-mails.  Now it is too late as Salum beat everybody to it.  You can build houses in this game.  Everybody wants a house and everybody wants to play games so it was only a matter of time before people put the 2 together.    Conclusion   The WoW-killer has arrived.  It just wasn't the game anybody expected to do it.  But thats what always gets you.  The guy you weren't paying attention to.  Nobody even knew who Blizzard was before WoW and because of that element of surprise they took over the market.  Expect the makers of Salum to do the same.   You heard it here first, Healem    

    Wow, I didnt even feel like reading but couldn't help but notice that because I go to Penn State. So please tell me, what happened when they took football away from Joe Paterno... Because if you honestly think THAT is what killed Penn state football then I can tell you are retarded and ANYTHING you posted in here isn't worth even a single bit of my time.

    Edit: I retract my statements. Game looks amazing now I watched it... *shutter* Sorry fingers slipped, cant say that with a serious face. Think I'm going to go stab my eyes out now.
  • jwhitehornjwhitehorn Wildomar, CAPosts: 5Member
    Originally posted by Dampyre
    1. you can't prove an opinion true or false that is like saying its an objective fact that red is a better color than blue.  I shouldn't have to tell people the 'wow killer'' term is as opinion as it gets.

     

    I think the fundamental problem here is our definition of hte word "prove".  Sometimes an opinion and facts can be hte same thing.  For example, if it is my opinion that the Olympics should be in 2012 then that would also be a fact because they are in 2012.

    2. I am looking forward to GW2 as much as anybody , I'm totally sick and tired of wow dominating the MMO industry and inspiring clones to the point where imho all they are doing is re-packing the same thing with a few minor tweaks.

    We actually agree on this one.  Thats why SWTOR, Rift, and GW2 have all failed.  That is where Salem succeeded in beting different and selling it in a different box.

     

    3.  all these threads that are full of hyperbole do is give fanatical people something to talk about, If you have ever had someone unload on you while playing a MMO for practically nothing than you have met the type of person i just described.

    I don't mind when people completely unload on me as it gives an opportunity to gank them when they reload.  But I have absolutely no clue why you are bringing up FPS tactics in a MMo thread.  I think you are in the wrong forum.

     

    5. All i want is more variety  in the MMO's I play , i don't care what blizzard does so long as there fininacial success doesn't inspire legions of clone games ( notice i didn't blame blizzard i blamed the people too chicken *bleep* to try develop something different)

    I can already tell you are a starved and poor soul by the fact that you have to play more than one MMO.  Salem is going to be the MMO that has everything and is so broad that it will be the only MMO you need to have installed.  I am going to uninstall all my other games in anticipation.

     

     

    Wow.  I have included my responses in your quote but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

     

    --Healem

  • heartlessheartless Brooklyn, NYPosts: 4,993Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Luxely
    I was in Salem's Beta. All I can say is it's definitely NOT a WoW-Killer. Far from it. LOL

    I lasted about 5 minutes before I laughed and clicked uninstall.

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  • jwhitehornjwhitehorn Wildomar, CAPosts: 5Member
    Originally posted by heartless
    Originally posted by Luxely
    I was in Salem's Beta. All I can say is it's definitely NOT a WoW-Killer. Far from it. LOL

    I lasted about 5 minutes before I laughed and clicked uninstall.

    There is no uninstall for the game because it is using Next-Gen Java Technology.  This is how I know you are lying.

     

    --Healem

  • Originally posted by Derpybird
    Is there any way for me to "unsee" the 30 seconds of that Salem gameplay that I just watched?

    If only there were a way to unsee the horror that is Salem gameplay footage. But there is not. Thus we are doomed.

  • eggy08eggy08 erie, PAPosts: 525Member
    Originally posted by jwhitehorn
    Originally posted by heartless
    Originally posted by Luxely
    I was in Salem's Beta. All I can say is it's definitely NOT a WoW-Killer. Far from it. LOL

    I lasted about 5 minutes before I laughed and clicked uninstall.

    There is no uninstall for the game because it is using Next-Gen Java Technology.  This is how I know you are lying.

     

    --Healem

    There is no uninstall. It's like .Hack, once you play, you play for life, the game consumes you. Probly why this OP is not very bright, sucked everything from him for playing so long and replaced it with a representative from the company who was too much of a drop out that he was never allowed to actually post about the games on his own website. "But I argue good" he says to the marketting team. "Of course you do Billy, now go play nice in the corner and don't touch anything." says the rest of the team.

  • heartlessheartless Brooklyn, NYPosts: 4,993Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jwhitehorn
    Originally posted by heartless
    Originally posted by Luxely
    I was in Salem's Beta. All I can say is it's definitely NOT a WoW-Killer. Far from it. LOL

    I lasted about 5 minutes before I laughed and clicked uninstall.

    There is no uninstall for the game because it is using Next-Gen Java Technology.  This is how I know you are lying.

     

    --Healem

    Actually there is an uninstall. Look under 'Programs and Features" if you're running Win 7.

    Next-gen Java Technology! Wooooooooo!

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  • davestr1zldavestr1zl MelbPosts: 218Member
    haha holy shit, i dont actually believe this was successful in trolling as many people as it did
  • VoiidiinVoiidiin Barrow, AKPosts: 817Member
    Originally posted by heartless
    Originally posted by jwhitehorn
     

    Wrong forum. This has nothing to do with GW2.

    Also, the game is called Salem not Salum.

    Dont you know?

    The new way to viral advertise is to post in the GW2 forum.

    Lolipops !

  • LydonLydon Cape TownPosts: 2,918Member Uncommon
    You heard it here first folkds...GW2 will go F2P. Mark his words xD

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  • dageezadageeza london, KYPosts: 578Member
    Open world PvP alone just prevented salem from being more than a niche game..

    Playing GW2..

  • Byne25Byne25 Savannah, TXPosts: 41Member
    Just looked it over and ......No not going to happen. Its not going to be better than WoW and it wont be better than GW2 which is where you posted about the wrong game.
  • stragen001stragen001 ReadingPosts: 1,720Member Uncommon
    Mods please move this to the Salem forum, this has nothing to do with GW2

    Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom

  • TuchakaTuchaka san diego, CAPosts: 468Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by jwhitehorn
    Originally posted by Dampyre
    1. you can't prove an opinion true or false that is like saying its an objective fact that red is a better color than blue.  I shouldn't have to tell people the 'wow killer'' term is as opinion as it gets.

     

    I think the fundamental problem here is our definition of hte word "prove".  Sometimes an opinion and facts can be hte same thing.  For example, if it is my opinion that the Olympics should be in 2012 then that would also be a fact because they are in 2012.

    2. I am looking forward to GW2 as much as anybody , I'm totally sick and tired of wow dominating the MMO industry and inspiring clones to the point where imho all they are doing is re-packing the same thing with a few minor tweaks.

    We actually agree on this one.  Thats why SWTOR, Rift, and GW2 have all failed.  That is where Salem succeeded in beting different and selling it in a different box.

     

    3.  all these threads that are full of hyperbole do is give fanatical people something to talk about, If you have ever had someone unload on you while playing a MMO for practically nothing than you have met the type of person i just described.

    I don't mind when people completely unload on me as it gives an opportunity to gank them when they reload.  But I have absolutely no clue why you are bringing up FPS tactics in a MMo thread.  I think you are in the wrong forum.

     

    5. All i want is more variety  in the MMO's I play , i don't care what blizzard does so long as there fininacial success doesn't inspire legions of clone games ( notice i didn't blame blizzard i blamed the people too chicken *bleep* to try develop something different)

    I can already tell you are a starved and poor soul by the fact that you have to play more than one MMO.  Salem is going to be the MMO that has everything and is so broad that it will be the only MMO you need to have installed.  I am going to uninstall all my other games in anticipation.

     

     

    Wow.  I have included my responses in your quote but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

     

    --Healem

    ya when i said unload i was referring to verbally , how you managed to drag FPS in to this discussion is almost comically retarded

     

    I'm not the one that tried to say one of his opinions was fact genius, thanks for proving you don't know what the words subjective and objective mean.

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