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I really don't understand why everyone says this is not an MMO just because it is a FPS. Many MMOs have instanced PvP arenas. The MMO aspect that it has a persistent world, with resource gathering, crafting, trading and control over the map seems to be ignored, just because it doesn't have a world map in that you can run around between arenas, it is a f*cking game in space, what do you expect?
Also people seem to ignore that CCP doesn't try to make EvE players play Dust, they try to make FPS players play Dust by adding more complex elements, persistent characters, persistent world, character development, free expansions instead of other games that release a new version every year (that you have to buy) and only have some achievements and leaderboards. In Dust battles you win or lose really matter, they are not just a score that is recorded somewhere and then forgotten.
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Originally posted by Demogorgon Pc or not, it'll fail imo. Why? Because their player base is abysmal (lots and lots of multiple accounts in EVE). You can't multi box an FPS, and not every EVE player likes FPS games on top of that anyways. Add to that that most people aren't interested in EVE at all... fact.
I forget where the reference was, but the average amount of accounts per Eve player was 1.7. Most people I play with have one, I myself have one and never plan to get another one...The player base is not "abysmal", it's the largest of any current sandbox MMO and quite a few older themepark MMOs as well (don't bother mentioning WoW, that's a one-off fluke).
Multi-box an FPS? Why would you bother?
And just because people aren't interested in Eve doesn't mean they won't be interested in Dust.
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Originally posted by DKKOberon As long as it is PS3 only, DUST is doomed. It will fail, it will epic fail and CCP may not survive the hate.
Saying a statement like that without describing WHY just makes you sound like a mindless hater and no one will pay attention to you...
Originally posted by Gdemami Originally posted by mCalvert Why do you keep annoying us with this console news?
Agreed, it is no MMO either.
Should be posted on FPSGuru but here.
Not an MMO? Really? Let's see...
-long term character development through skills, equipment, etc
-multiple players online at the same time, an individual arena may be something like 20 vs 20 or whatever but there could be hundreds of those going at the same time by:
-Linking directly to, and affects, the largest sandbox MMO world currently in existence through combat, territory control and economy
-Large scale politics and metagame a definite possibility (and from what I can tell, ALREADY HAPPENING)
So how exactly is this not an MMO? From what I know this kind of integration between a standard FPS and a "traditional" MMO has never been done before. It is brand spanking new, so you're going to have to loosen up your mindset a bit. With its link to Eve Online I really don't see how you can deny that it is also an MMO.
Originally posted by Wicoa This site is a bastion of pc rpg mmo gaming what is this ps3 fps doing here, its not even cross platform? Put it on a console review site please.
Well it is hard to understand but i try to explain to you--EVE online is mmorpg game with huge, huge spaceships and dust will be conected with EVE online. So it is part of one mmorpg
Originally posted by Kiljaedenas
I'm not going to get into the whole mmo debate because it seems rather fruitless since the game certainly has those elements. What I will say is their plan with this game is set up for failure. There are frankly way better known fps franchises already available for console players. So the majority isn't going to give a flying fuck about this game. They would have been much better served releasing this on pc. Where some know about Eve and would love to get into the fray yet may not like the current Eve gameplay synopsis. One of the worst design choices I have seen in some time frankly and not long after launch you're going to see why.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I am glad they post this on MMORPG.com it is pretty interesting even though I dont play EVE or DUST.
And to the ppl who say console players and PC players hate each other: that is just silly. A vocal minority might have opinion on which is better but even few of them hate anyone. At most, there is some mutual jealousy.
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Originally posted by afropuff420 "My only problem with the game? PS3-only. We can't have our cake and eat it too, can we?" Kills it for me again and again. I was so hyped when I heard the original concept. I think this is the biggest mistake ever. Oh well - on to other things.
I would much rather prefer that mmorpg.com would stop, PLEASE, reporting on games which are, for one, 'one platform only' unless they TRULY fit the 'mmorpg' genere, which this does not.
Second, Why are you reporting on this, its not a mmorpg at all. (Kinda wondering about many of the recent 'picks' but meh, maybe its time for a namechange, mmo.com? Sony&EAsLittleWhore.com, not sure which fits.)
Originally posted by Kiljaedenas Originally posted by Gdemami Originally posted by mCalvert Why do you keep annoying us with this console news?
-multiple players online at the same time, an individual arena may be something like 20 vs 20 or whatever but there could be hundreds of those going at the same time
No it's not an MMO because 20v20 isn't massive, regardless of how many maps are running concurrently. If they have a couple of hundred on a map, then I'd consider it an MMO, like Planetside or Planetside 2. Otherwise it's the same as playing CS, BF, or any other online muliplayer FPS game.
Releasing Dust 514 as a PS3 exclusive is a enormous risk by CCP.
If this game fails it could mean the WoD will remain vaporware.
Originally posted by SunwolfNC Originally posted by afropuff420 "My only problem with the game? PS3-only. We can't have our cake and eat it too, can we?" Kills it for me again and again. I was so hyped when I heard the original concept. I think this is the biggest mistake ever. Oh well - on to other things.
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Originally posted by Vegetto Here's one logic: Maybe they think that if they released DUST 514 on PC, then EvE players may opt to play that instead of EvE, thus disrupting the population. However, this fails when you consider the same applies no matter what platform it's released on, as whoever is playing DUST is potentially not playing EvE. I think that's the thinking though, that you're traditional EvE player would rather stab their eyes than play a console FPS. So they potentially open a new untapped market, whilst also retaining the EvE players. Still, console players are very fly-by-night, the simple comparison of a console gamers shelf of two dozen games he currently plays, against a few on a PC gamers hard-drive, only perhaps two of which he currently plays.
Dust is different from Eve. same IP, samd timeline, but still different. By having it on the PS3, and Free to play, you basically are advertising Eve IP to people that may have never known it exist, which gains more account sells as well as a few months of subs from these players.
People that do not have a PC probably will not buy a PC when they have already a Console and feel good with it.The only thing that would make sense is if EvE was ported to the PS3.
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Originally posted by mCalvert Why do you keep annoying us with this console news? Twist the knife why dont you.
I even had a beta/alpha whatever invite--but I don't own any console game, much less a ps3.
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Came here to make sure that folks were as annoyed as I am about the PS3 thing.
Dust 514 was meant to be a PS3 and Xbox 360 release, but something went wrong with Microsoft ( maybe they demanded an exclusive or wanted CCP to pay them huge amounts to use the Xbox Live service. I don't know) but Sony wanted to work with CCP for the PS3 platform and it was a far better deal from what I can gather.
So CCP went with Sony and PS3. Makes sense to me at least and also the PS3 is better suited for this FPS MMO anyway due to it ability to browse the internet where as the Xbox your tied to Xbox Live and Games for Windows. For all its popularity the Xbox is just not as flexable as the PS3.
"EVE Online players and DUST 514 players will enjoy a type of symbiosis."
Good luck with that CCP. The PS3 gamer and EVE gamer are apples and oranges, the maturity gap will be huge between the two communities. You're are fools for not making it Pc too. Think of the game you could of had if it were built from the ground up with DX11. You could of had something near to Planetsides scale with today's Pc tech power.