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  • rdrakkenrdrakken Gotham, FLPosts: 426Member
    Originally posted by Gdemami

    According to this site failure means +500k subscribers and hundreds millions of revenue so I would not be worried much...

     Seeing as how Skyrim sold more in two months than Oblivion did altogether...and Oblivion was one of the best selling RPGs of all time...no, 500k is not a success seeing as how they are making TESO to take advantage of its NAME.

    You dont go from over 10 million in sales in one game, to 500k subscribers and claim success. Whats worse, the only reason people are talking about the game is due to its name...and most of it is bad.

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,865Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by rdrakken

    You dont go from over 10 million in sales in one game, to 500k subscribers and claim success.

    You do not mix apples and oranges either.

    Also, Skyrim was so successful only because of console sales, PC sales were like 10-15% total sales.

  • AlotAlot BredaPosts: 1,948Member


    Originally posted by Gdemami
    Originally posted by rdrakkenYou dont go from over 10 million in sales in one game, to 500k subscribers and claim success.

    You do not mix apples and oranges either.

    Also, Skyrim was so successful only because of console sales, PC sales were like 10-15% total sales.


    14% of Skyrim's sales were retail for the PC. The number of digital sales was probably much larger.

  • fenistilfenistil GliwicePosts: 3,005Member
    Originally posted by Alot

     


    Originally posted by Gdemami

    Originally posted by rdrakken

     

    You dont go from over 10 million in sales in one game, to 500k subscribers and claim success.


     

    You do not mix apples and oranges either.

    Also, Skyrim was so successful only because of console sales, PC sales were like 10-15% total sales.


     

    14% of Skyrim's sales were retail for the PC. The number of digital sales was probably much larger.


    Usually in mainstream titles, digital are at least same amount as boxed retail sales.  

    So it would be safe to assume that PC totaled to around ~25% of total sales.  + games for PC tend to sell longer. There are still some sales like 2 years later, some games have sales ~10 years later (classics like BG1&BG2, Fallout, Morrowind, etc) while console games usually don't and when they do it is on much smaller scale.

     

    Still IMO 500k + STABLE subs (not bleeding like hell and then 200k in 5 months) is SUCCESS. Big one.

     

    Think people (and devs and investors) have to forget about WoW numbers. Many maybe even most WoW players will go play non-mmo games like LoL or Dota2, or Mechwarrior Online or World of Tanks or non-rpg mmo's like mmofps games - Planetside 2, etc 

    instead of playing another mmorpg.  

    Mmorpg genre WILL be smaller in 5 years than it is now and that's GOOD thing.

    Online games and general mmo games will be bigger though.

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common
    Originally posted by SimonVDH

    I know little about this game, but I can tell you that, if it fails, it will do so for the same reason all previous MMORPGs failed; lack of immersion.

    Generic gameplay and skills, generic quests, unimaginative, boring lore, static, disjointed world with invisble walls, linear progression, no real, meaningfull crafting and player-driven economy, unoriginal graphic style, all, or at least some, of those things, result in every MMORPG relesed lately failing to create any kind of immersion. Cutscenes with full voice-overs are good for 20-30 hours and singleplayer.

    If developers of TESO can recreate the immersion of TES: Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim in big, interactive and open gameworld, with original graphic style, somewhat original skills and/or classes, non-linear progression, than it can be a great game.

    I know it probably won't be this way and the game will turn out to be another quick money grab  :(

    the game is a money grab using the TESO ip but the people making it are experienced with mmos

    Matt Firor is leading Zenimax for this game

    http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,83290/

     

    whether Matt pulls another "Mark Jacobs WAR" remains to be seen

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,865Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Alot

    The number of digital sales was probably much larger.


    Originally posted by fenistil

    Usually in mainstream titles, digital are at least same amount as boxed retail sales.  

    Source?

    Also do not forget to add console digital sales!

    However, Bethesda seems to think different:
    http://www.neoseeker.com/news/16252-bethesda-90-of-elder-scrolls-audience-on-consoles/

  • gasperkgasperk MojstranaPosts: 84Member
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Alot

    The number of digital sales was probably much larger.

     

     


    Originally posted by fenistil

    Usually in mainstream titles, digital are at least same amount as boxed retail sales.  


     

    Source?

    Also do not forget to add console digital sales!

    However, Bethesda seems to think different:
    http://www.neoseeker.com/news/16252-bethesda-90-of-elder-scrolls-audience-on-consoles/

    90% of ES audience on consoles ???????

     

    What the hell, this must be a joke ??

  • bcbullybcbully Westland, MIPosts: 8,277Member Uncommon
    Bold prediction TESO will kill off GW2.
  • DaezAsterDaezAster new york, NYPosts: 803Member
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Bold prediction TESO will kill off GW2.

    Bold indeed. rofl.....

  • rdrakkenrdrakken Gotham, FLPosts: 426Member
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by rdrakken

    You dont go from over 10 million in sales in one game, to 500k subscribers and claim success.

     

    You do not mix apples and oranges either.

    Also, Skyrim was so successful only because of console sales, PC sales were like 10-15% total sales.

     EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

    TES is an apple...they are trying to turn an apple into an orange. And do not say they are not...they said it themselves that it was the perfect time to make a TES MMO because its at the height of its popularity.

    So, again. its at the height of its popularity...and the popularity isnt hitting TESO. Derp...just like your comment about skyrims sales that leaves out digital sales which makes up the majority of sale types for PCs now.

    Hey I know, Skyrim only sold 2% of its sales via Walmart...lets exclude everything else to prove a point that Walmart sucks! Oh wait...Walmart does suck but thas besides the point.

  • DaezAsterDaezAster new york, NYPosts: 803Member
    Originally posted by PowerGirl
    Originally posted by DaezAster
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Bold prediction TESO will kill off GW2.

    Bold indeed. rofl.....

    just like SWTOR and TERA, the TSW boys need something to do it for them.

    Lets not turn it into one of those.... ;)

  • Johnie-MarzJohnie-Marz La Puente, CAPosts: 865Member
    Who knows; maybe next Zenimax will aquire the rights to the Mortal Kombat franchise, add zombies and turn it into a first person shooter MMO, because of DayZ's new popularity. 
  • KorususKorusus Auburn, ALPosts: 831Member
    Originally posted by gasperk
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Alot

    The number of digital sales was probably much larger.

     

     


    Originally posted by fenistil

    Usually in mainstream titles, digital are at least same amount as boxed retail sales.  


     

    Source?

    Also do not forget to add console digital sales!

    However, Bethesda seems to think different:
    http://www.neoseeker.com/news/16252-bethesda-90-of-elder-scrolls-audience-on-consoles/

    90% of ES audience on consoles ???????

     

    What the hell, this must be a joke ??

    It is a joke.  But only on Matt Firor and the private investors funding this travesty of a game.

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  • GravargGravarg Harker Heights, TXPosts: 3,332Member Uncommon

    If I can roleplay an Orc Blacksmith, and never really be into fighting, I just want to have a hut in the outskirts of civilization where i can practice my craft.  I never got into questing or combat much in Skyrim, and I will want to do very much the same in TESO.  I'll be happy as long as I can craft, then sell the stuff, and never have to pick up a blade unless some bandits try to rob me or something.  I'd be 100% behind this, I don't want 3rd person though, I like the immersiveness of 1st person :)

     

    Edit: My blacksmith in Skyrim hasn't done but maybe 5 quests since I left Helgen...I spend my time mining, then making stuff, and selling them in town :)  There's no point to that really, but I'm a "REAL" MMO player, there really shouldn't be a point or end game to an MMO.

  • AriannaeAriannae Hiding somewhere in the mountains, AKPosts: 40Member
    Originally posted by travamars
    Originally posted by XAPGames
    Originally posted by gasperk
    Originally posted by Wakygreek

     

     

     

    Considering TES has the worst combat (my opinion) of any game i've played that sounds like good news.

    Luckily for you, there are about a thousand other shitty tab-target games that cater to the gameplay you obviously enjoy.

     

    There are some of us that are honestly sick of that style of gameplay, and the Elder Scrolls fit the gameplay that we enjoy. UNluckily for us, however, there are not very many MMOs that cater to our style of gameplay. The Elder Scrolls, however, fit the bill perfectly, and to see it be turned into some themepark tab-based game is very much a slap in the face, given that the single player versions are practically built to revolve around an increasingly larger niche group of players. Ie, the actual fans.

  • 3-4thElf3-4thElf Elftown, MEPosts: 489Member
    Originally posted by Gravarg

    If I can roleplay an Orc Blacksmith, and never really be into fighting, I just want to have a hut in the outskirts of civilization where i can practice my craft.  I never got into questing or combat much in Skyrim, and I will want to do very much the same in TESO.  I'll be happy as long as I can craft, then sell the stuff, and never have to pick up a blade unless some bandits try to rob me or something.  I'd be 100% behind this, I don't want 3rd person though, I like the immersiveness of 1st person :)

     

    Edit: My blacksmith in Skyrim hasn't done but maybe 5 quests since I left Helgen...I spend my time mining, then making stuff, and selling them in town :)  There's no point to that really, but I'm a "REAL" MMO player, there really shouldn't be a point or end game to an MMO.

    This is going to be a theme park game bub. You're going to have to quest, token grind, raid to get schematic drops and non-trade crystals and all the other garbage theme park crafting offers.

    All hope abandon ye who enter here.

    a yo ho ho

  • RhomsRhoms Norfolk, VAPosts: 59Member
    Originally posted by Ariannae

    Luckily for you, there are about a thousand other shitty tab-target games that cater to the gameplay you obviously enjoy.

    There are some of us that are honestly sick of that style of gameplay, and the Elder Scrolls fit the gameplay that we enjoy. UNluckily for us, however, there are not very many MMOs that cater to our style of gameplay. The Elder Scrolls, however, fit the bill perfectly, and to see it be turned into some themepark tab-based game is very much a slap in the face, given that the single player versions are practically built to revolve around an increasingly larger niche group of players. Ie, the actual fans.

    I think tab targeting hardly makes or breaks a game.

    How many times have you lit Lydia on fire or stabbed her in the butt with a weapon?  Multiply that on a grand scale 3-way faction pvp warzone.  Perhaps there's a "don't kill friendlies" work around, but it illustrates the problem with targeting.  If they can make it work, more power to Zenimax.

    Played: UO, AC, Eve, Fallen Earth, Aion, GW. Tried: WOW, Rift, SWOTOR. Current: GW2. Future: ESO?
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  • MMOman101MMOman101 Posts: 1,274Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by 3-4thElf
    Originally posted by Gravarg

    If I can roleplay an Orc Blacksmith, and never really be into fighting, I just want to have a hut in the outskirts of civilization where i can practice my craft.  I never got into questing or combat much in Skyrim, and I will want to do very much the same in TESO.  I'll be happy as long as I can craft, then sell the stuff, and never have to pick up a blade unless some bandits try to rob me or something.  I'd be 100% behind this, I don't want 3rd person though, I like the immersiveness of 1st person :)

     

    Edit: My blacksmith in Skyrim hasn't done but maybe 5 quests since I left Helgen...I spend my time mining, then making stuff, and selling them in town :)  There's no point to that really, but I'm a "REAL" MMO player, there really shouldn't be a point or end game to an MMO.

    This is going to be a theme park game bub. You're going to have to quest, token grind, raid to get schematic drops and non-trade crystals and all the other garbage theme park crafting offers.

    All hope abandon ye who enter here.

    Hope is a knave befools us evermore
    Which till I lost no happiness was mine.
    I strike from hell's to grave on heaven's door:
    All hope abandon ye who enter in
     
     
  • 3-4thElf3-4thElf Elftown, MEPosts: 489Member
    Originally posted by Tavros
    Originally posted by Ariannae

    Luckily for you, there are about a thousand other shitty tab-target games that cater to the gameplay you obviously enjoy.

    There are some of us that are honestly sick of that style of gameplay, and the Elder Scrolls fit the gameplay that we enjoy. UNluckily for us, however, there are not very many MMOs that cater to our style of gameplay. The Elder Scrolls, however, fit the bill perfectly, and to see it be turned into some themepark tab-based game is very much a slap in the face, given that the single player versions are practically built to revolve around an increasingly larger niche group of players. Ie, the actual fans.

    I think tab targeting hardly makes or breaks a game.

    How many times have you lit Lydia on fire or stabbed her in the butt with a weapon?  Multiply that on a grand scale 3-way faction pvp warzone.  Perhaps there's a "don't kill friendlies" work around, but it illustrates the problem with targeting.  If they can make it work, more power to Zenimax.

    Oh woe the player!

    You'd have to aim and not button mash or make a macro to simulate war.

    Yeah that'd be terrible... I'm being sarcastic. 

    I can see something akin to Age of Chivalry or Mount & Blade being imposing for a developing company to add to the MMORPG verse.

    But taking Morrowind's combat and adding it to the game should be easy enough this day and age. I mean 8 years+ of tab, 123 123 123 macroing has to be tired.

    a yo ho ho

  • busdriverbusdriver nyPosts: 859Member
    Originally posted by Tavros

    I think tab targeting hardly makes or breaks a game.

    How many times have you lit Lydia on fire or stabbed her in the butt with a weapon?  Multiply that on a grand scale 3-way faction pvp warzone.  Perhaps there's a "don't kill friendlies" work around, but it illustrates the problem with targeting.  If they can make it work, more power to Zenimax.

    I hope you don't call yourself a gamer.

     

    /puke

  • jusomdudejusomdude Somewhere, KSPosts: 2,401Member

    I can't imagine this game being even remotely successful. Yet another blind company trying to get a taste of the WoW pie.

    I'd play an actual Elder Scrolls like MMO, not this WoW clone with the Elder Scrolls name.

     

    If I want to play a WoW like game, I'll frickin keep playing WoW.

    Damn shame.

  • RagnorMalakRagnorMalak HeerenveenPosts: 117Member
    They should have made it more like Embers of Caerus, in fact EoC looks already more like an Elder Scrolls game than TESO (first person perspective, sandbox, open world).

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  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,289Member Uncommon
    Bethesda have repeatedly said they would not make an MMO, which is why the various Elder Scrolls games are all single player games, their good at it, and they do make the best games, i think the only link that Zenimax has utilised, in relation to Elder Scrolls, is really just Naming conventions and a few maps, anyone who has played Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim etc. Will only be disappointed if they expect anything like that from Zenimax's MMO, as the most important features that Elder Scrolls games have,  are not in the MMO version. image
  • bubalubabubaluba LjubljanaPosts: 434Member
    In fact what i did saw from E3 is that Elder Scrolls is best looking mmo in development
  • KorususKorusus Auburn, ALPosts: 831Member
    Originally posted by bubaluba
    In fact what i did saw from E3 is that Elder Scrolls is best looking mmo in development

    Says who?  Every gaming site/forum/newsletter/magazine gives out their own E3 awards.  And Planetside 2 won almost all of the major ones this year.  So back in the real world, this joke of an MMO still looks tired and pathetic.

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