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[Column] World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria: Pandaria vs. Tyria

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  • RocknissRockniss Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,034Member
    I'm casual as,could be too, but I kind of like being the underdog because of my gear, then tearing up someone that is geared, could be because I'm an enhancement shaman though and I hit like a truck.
  • expressoexpresso mePosts: 2,208Member Uncommon

    End game

    • Pandaria for PvE (Raiding with guild)
    • Tyria for PvP (hope I can get into an orginaised guild that work as a team)

    Easy as that

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 6,361Member Rare
    Originally posted by expresso

    End game

    • Pandaria for PvE (Raiding with guild)
      • Tyria for PvP (hope I can get into an orginaised guild that work as a team)

      Easy as that

       

     I did the same thing with EQ back in the day for PvE and also subbed to DAoC for PvP.

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  • TimothyEisenzimmerTimothyEisenzimmer Columnist Posts: 2,370Member Uncommon

    Yet another attempt to elicit an emotional response. I will not fall for your...who am I kidding.

    WOW will retain people that prefer MMO Dungeon Crawlers. GW2 will retain people that miss the thrill of a living game world full of events, the MMORPG fans.

    The thing I always hated about WOW was knowing that any explore I did was pointless unless I had a quest for any of the special NPC's I might find. As a result the game world always felt dead. Once they cross realm instanced everything it killed it completely. GW feels both new and old at the same time. It's more of a real MMORPG than what WOW has become and I can't wait for it.

    I project WOW will see a couple mill pop up with the Xpac, but they will quickly drop back to what it has now 8mil ish? That number will continue to slowly fade unless they do drastic things but it will be over 5 years. I don't see WOW having to do anything like FTP for at least 5 years more. I see it maintaining 5-3 mill until around then.

    GW2 will launch with around 1.5-2 mill. I see it retaining very well and growing for the next year or two peaking around 3 mill.

    The reality is Blizz had been a master of pulling the rug out when a threat pops up. They have the resources and power to do it fast and viscously (See Pre-WAR launch adjustments). If GW2 does too well, expect Blizz to quickly adapt, adjust WOW, and keep chugging along.

  • AnirethAnireth Posts: 707Member Uncommon

    The Guild Wars 2 release date was known for a month before the Mists of Pandaria release date. ArenaNet did not decide to put those two games so close to launch, Blizzard did. There weren't much options left to release GW 2 in 2012 even before, whereas Blizzard usually delays games a year or two beyond the initial announcement (the people of ArenaNet actually took that habit with them when they left Blizzard..), it seems kinda forced to release it only a year after the announcement.

    Also, you said you didn't want to spent this column to stack them up, why did you do it then? You compare a handful of features of both games, instead of talking about why Blizzard thinks it's a good idea to release a month after GW2, and trying to figure out if it's actually a good idea, or if they shot themselves in the foot.

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    And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
    Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
    And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore

  • RocknissRockniss Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,034Member
    ^^ good point and there is no doubt the ball was in blizzards court for the decision, Arena knew what wow was capable of and they actually pulled a fast one here getting thier release off first, they don't go first and people just get wrapped up in mists, they go first and people get a chance to check it out, at least the box sales were higher than if they released second.
  • elockeelocke Manassas, VAPosts: 4,292Member Uncommon

    For the first time in my history of playing WoW, I am actually going to NOT buy this expansion right away.  I WILL be neck deep in GW2 and WoW's endgame has NEVER kept me.  It was always the alt leveling game I enjoyed, but that got old after my 5th character.  I can't stand raiding, arenas and mindless dailies, so what else is left to do in WoW at endgame?  I would rather do GW2s way which is PVP and run story mode and exploration mode for cosmetic updates to my gear on top of playing alts and exploring each and every zone to the max.  Something else WoW fails at anymore.  There is no more sense of exploration in WoW, like there was in it's Vanilla days. 

    GW2 wins hands down on this one, for me.

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  • Slyther_ZeroSlyther_Zero BendigoPosts: 127Member
    Originally posted by elocke

    For the first time in my history of playing WoW, I am actually going to NOT buy this expansion right away.  I WILL be neck deep in GW2 and WoW's endgame has NEVER kept me.  It was always the alt leveling game I enjoyed, but that got old after my 5th character.  I can't stand raiding, arenas and mindless dailies, so what else is left to do in WoW at endgame?  I would rather do GW2s way which is PVP and run story mode and exploration mode for cosmetic updates to my gear on top of playing alts and exploring each and every zone to the max.  Something else WoW fails at anymore.  There is no more sense of exploration in WoW, like there was in it's Vanilla days. 

    GW2 wins hands down on this one, for me.

    Yep precisely my oppinion too.

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  • expressoexpresso mePosts: 2,208Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rockniss
    ^^ good point and there is no doubt the ball was in blizzards court for the decision, Arena knew what wow was capable of and they actually pulled a fast one here getting thier release off first, they don't go first and people just get wrapped up in mists, they go first and people get a chance to check it out, at least the box sales were higher than if they released second.

    I dont think blizzards launch date for MOP was at influenced by GW2 release date which was only announced in June, MOP has been in closed beta since March of this year, looking back at all previous expansions they've all been in close beta for around 5 months before release, and when september rolls round that would be 5-6 months.  I dont see an agenda here I just see Blizzard doing what they've always done.

  • RocknissRockniss Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,034Member
    I honestly flip flop back and forth, more than likely even though I'm being stubborn right now, I will play GW2 at launch, if I don't like it I'm going to bust my pc in half, if this was the release of GW instead of GW2 I wouldn't look twice, but really if there is one game that deserves a chance ( my last one to give btw) its GW2. I hope I love it, I just don't want to get my hopes up to high and go crawling back to my ex wife world of warcraft, I'm hoping not to play wow again until after this expac. I do think wow deserves a lot of credit though, they raise the bar for everyone else and force them to come out with alternatives like GW2 that are trilogy different, I just hope its sustainable.
  • BadaboomBadaboom Moose Jaw, SKPosts: 2,380Member
    Originally posted by expresso
    Originally posted by Rockniss
    ^^ good point and there is no doubt the ball was in blizzards court for the decision, Arena knew what wow was capable of and they actually pulled a fast one here getting thier release off first, they don't go first and people just get wrapped up in mists, they go first and people get a chance to check it out, at least the box sales were higher than if they released second.

    I dont think blizzards launch date for MOP was at influenced by GW2 release date which was only announced in June, MOP has been in closed beta since March of this year, looking back at all previous expansions they've all been in close beta for around 5 months before release, and when september rolls round that would be 5-6 months.  I dont see an agenda here I just see Blizzard doing what they've always done.

    I disagree.  WoW has timed every major expansion and large content release with all of the other big MMO releases and expansions.  WoW is smart and they do this on purpose.

  • RocknissRockniss Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,034Member
    GW2 release was,more influenced by wow even though it came later, activision has some other big names coming out in October and November, it just seems logical on thier part to get mists out and rolling not to compete with thier other games, and.... Arena had to beat that punchline which they are going to, mists might be ready on the same day as GW2 for all we know, but then there would be a true head to head and blizz would be the loser on the deal, they would solidify a bad rap and lose customers to GW2, thier release date timing is really the lesser of all the evils.
  • DJJazzyDJJazzy louisville, COPosts: 2,053Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by expresso
    Originally posted by Rockniss
    ^^ good point and there is no doubt the ball was in blizzards court for the decision, Arena knew what wow was capable of and they actually pulled a fast one here getting thier release off first, they don't go first and people just get wrapped up in mists, they go first and people get a chance to check it out, at least the box sales were higher than if they released second.

    I dont think blizzards launch date for MOP was at influenced by GW2 release date which was only announced in June, MOP has been in closed beta since March of this year, looking back at all previous expansions they've all been in close beta for around 5 months before release, and when september rolls round that would be 5-6 months.  I dont see an agenda here I just see Blizzard doing what they've always done.

    I agree for the most part. Although I do think they actually delayed the expansion a bit possibly due to GW2. Allowing a month of playtime for GW2 is a smarter decision than having MOP release a week after GW2 for example.

  • bubalubabubaluba LjubljanaPosts: 434Member

     I am GW2 fan because of easy pvp and equal chances for ''noobs'' and hardcore players but Wintergrasp or Tol Barad in wow looks to me equal good as any gw2 pvp option. You forget something about wow--Epic battles for oposing faction cities like raids on Stormwind of Ogrimar. Wow will stay wow and gw2 cant harm this game and both have places on market today. Give subscription option to GW2 and you will see how strong is he compared to wow. It is easy to play with numbers when you have only one option--F2P

  • gr0und3dgr0und3d Why, CAPosts: 113Member

    One thing that I am curious about is GW2's staying power besides PvP.  Won't it get old playing for hours and hours and getting really cool stuff only to zone in and scale? 

    For example:

    1: "Hey buddy, thanks for coming to help!"

    2: "No problem I am a master at GW2!"

    1: "Wow!  Your +1000 Sword of Godkilling does the same damage as this bucket I picked up over there."

    Is that a legitimate concern in GW2?  I haven't played it yet.

  • Xstatic912Xstatic912 New York, NYPosts: 365Member
    Loving mists & tyria, its awesome that one is free and one is paid. . I can alternate between them..

    I love both games, thx much...
  • DJJazzyDJJazzy louisville, COPosts: 2,053Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by gr0und3d

    One thing that I am curious about is GW2's staying power besides PvP.  Won't it get old playing for hours and hours and getting really cool stuff only to zone in and scale? 

    For example:

    1: "Hey buddy, thanks for coming to help!"

    2: "No problem I am a master at GW2!"

    1: "Wow!  Your +1000 Sword of Godkilling does the same damage as this bucket I picked up over there."

    Is that a legitimate concern in GW2?  I haven't played it yet.

    Depends on what you are looking for in a game. GW1 has survived and thrived over the years with essentially the same model.

  • MahavishnuMahavishnu BerlinPosts: 336Member

    Obviously, this will be the MMO-Duell of the year!

    I do not like MoP at all. And I think it will not be a huge success and sell fewer boxes than earlier expansions.

    However, GW2 looks promising. But we still have no clue about 90% of the game! If the rest of the game is as good, as the stuff we have already seen, it will really hit the market. But that is a big "IF".

    Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.

  • VaelgardVaelgard Boston, MAPosts: 59Member Uncommon

    I, for one, hope that both games are awesome and successful.  This genre needs some fresh ideas and experiences.  After the ultra-fails like SWTOR, I'm borderline desperate for a good MMO experience.  I played the everliving hell out of WoW for the better part of the last 8 years, and well, maybe MoP will bring me back.  But I hit the wall with the carrot-on-a-stick gear progression and if it's just more of that, I have no interest.  I pre-ordered GW2 and it looks really promising, and I have lots of hope for it, but I've been slapped in the face many times before by games that looked great and weren't.  We shall see.

  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk LiverpoolPosts: 1,294Member Uncommon

    Sensationalism. Given the B2P nature of GW2, current WoW subscribers are free to enjoy both for the box prices alone. It's not an either/or.

  • mbladeplmbladepl TorunPosts: 2Member

    This is what I think



  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Posts: 6,361Member Rare
    Originally posted by gr0und3d

    One thing that I am curious about is GW2's staying power besides PvP.  Won't it get old playing for hours and hours and getting really cool stuff only to zone in and scale? 

    For example:

    1: "Hey buddy, thanks for coming to help!"

    2: "No problem I am a master at GW2!"

    1: "Wow!  Your +1000 Sword of Godkilling does the same damage as this bucket I picked up over there."

    Is that a legitimate concern in GW2?  I haven't played it yet.

     
    First off don’t forgot that in MMOs everyone wants to look cooler than the other guy and show off, or they want to look unique. Second, have we forgotten why we play video games? Is it to have fun? Or have more powerful gear so we can do harder content to get more powerful gear? Personally I play for the fun of seeing new things and to challenge myself. GW2 dungeons are fun and challenging and any gamer will have a fun time messing around in them. I don’t need a sword dangled in my face to make me want to kill a boss 50 times in hopes of getting a drop. Now I get to pick what dungeon I want to do, instead of being on a treadmill, forced to kill that boss till it drops my sword so I can go do what I wana do. This means that ANet needs to put out more quality content to keep people playing and I think they are up for it.
     

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  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 2,316Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Badaboom
    Originally posted by expresso
    Originally posted by Rockniss
    ^^ good point and there is no doubt the ball was in blizzards court for the decision, Arena knew what wow was capable of and they actually pulled a fast one here getting thier release off first, they don't go first and people just get wrapped up in mists, they go first and people get a chance to check it out, at least the box sales were higher than if they released second.

    I dont think blizzards launch date for MOP was at influenced by GW2 release date which was only announced in June, MOP has been in closed beta since March of this year, looking back at all previous expansions they've all been in close beta for around 5 months before release, and when september rolls round that would be 5-6 months.  I dont see an agenda here I just see Blizzard doing what they've always done.

    I disagree.  WoW has timed every major expansion and large content release with all of the other big MMO releases and expansions.  WoW is smart and they do this on purpose.

    If I was in the position of Blizzard, I would release MoP two or even three months after GW 2.

    I would actually wait for people to hit max level. I am convinced that relatively large percentage of the initial playerbase will drop the game not long after they hit the level cap. They will realize that they are left with either stuctured PvP or PVE the goals of which are cosmetics, achievs and titles. I do not claim that people will drop the game completely when they hit level cap, but they will only play now and then and it would be the time for MoP to be released to fill this gap.

    My assumption is that 6 months after release, GW's population will mostly consist of HC PVP guilds focusing on WvWvW and roleplayers focusing on getting cosmetic gear.

    I was very surprised that Blizzard announced MoP release date to be only one month after GW 2. At that time, people will be still having fun leveling their characters not being confronted with the different endgame scenario from the one they are used to. I, personally, consider their decision to be wrong.

    I may be wrong obviously...

     

  • RocknissRockniss Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,034Member
    ^^ I think your spot on, but what's,wrong with hc pvpers and rpers, both are very interesting to have around especially the latter
  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 2,316Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Rockniss
    ^^ I think your spot on, but what's,wrong with hc pvpers and rpers, both are very interesting to have around especially the latter

    There is nothing wrong with them, do not get me wrong. The post was not meant to offend the game or its players. I personally belong to the hc pvpers group, so that my post is directly related to myself as well.

    I just wanted to express my opinion on the MoP release date.

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