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Star Wars: The Old Republic: Free to Play This Fall

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  • CatibrieCatibrie Posts: 36Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Airtaee

    SWG 8 SWTOR 0

     

    Or SWG: 8 years

    SWTOR: 8 months

     

    It's time for a come back. 

     

     

     

    I tried SWG and it was not worth the time. The combat was old and clunky.

  • lifeordinarylifeordinary AgadirPosts: 646Member
    Originally posted by Mopar63

    TOLD YOU SO

    When this game release I was the ONLY reviewer that came out and said this game was sub par. Every other review location gave it rave reviews, called is the seocond coming. However I went a step further and stated that in less than a year this game would go F2P.

    I was called crazy, I was called buts, I was told I was an idiot. Well today I stand proudly by my original review of this game and do not back pedal like so many in this industry are doing. The difference was I had the balls to call it like I saw it, not hide from the mighty EA.

    Maybe you should quite reviewing then if according to you F2P means game is subpar. Was LOTRO subpar too? yes SWTOR could be average for variety fo reason but i can't help but wonder why people associtae F2P model with failure?

     

    According to recent reports SWTOR still has 500K players, LOTRO had similar population when it decided to go F2P. I don't understand your logic here really.

  • erictlewiserictlewis Cottondale, ALPosts: 3,026Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by Mopar63

    TOLD YOU SO

    When this game release I was the ONLY reviewer that came out and said this game was sub par. Every other review location gave it rave reviews, called is the seocond coming. However I went a step further and stated that in less than a year this game would go F2P.

    I was called crazy, I was called buts, I was told I was an idiot. Well today I stand proudly by my original review of this game and do not back pedal like so many in this industry are doing. The difference was I had the balls to call it like I saw it, not hide from the mighty EA.

    Maybe you should quite reviewing then if according to you F2P means game is subpar. Was LOTRO subpar too? yes SWTOR could be average for variety fo reason but i can't help but wonder why people associtae F2P model with failure?

     

    According to recent reports SWTOR still has 500K players, LOTRO had similar population when it decided to go F2P. I don't understand your logic here really.

    This dirrectly from ea from their anual reports earning from this link, so it is not made up.  This is ea saying this

    First, the game many of you have been tracking closely, Star Wars: The Old Republic. 
    Although it launched well, subscriptions have been on a declining trajectory and have now
    slipped below one million.  Last year we announced that the breakeven point was roughly
    500,000 subscribers.  And while we are well above that today, that’s not good enough.

    So that is ea themselves saying that number is not good enough so yes I don't know how you can blindly say that the game is doing good when ea themselves are saying the game is in the dumpster.

    Link to ea investors site

    http://investor.ea.com/

    No to mention Lotro was loosing tons of player after mom. Yes free to play saved the game for them but it replaced a lot of veteran players with the new type of player.  I got a lifetime sub and I still have not played since it went free to play.

  • ZeGermanZeGerman Andover, MAPosts: 196Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dalmont

    F2P i guess is the model for crap. Real games are subscription :P

    I would agree with you if some of the most monetarily successful games of all time werent f2p.  Both of the games with the highest user base in the world LoL and WoT are both f2p.  So basicaly no real games are not always subscription.

  • wildtalentwildtalent Huntsville, ALPosts: 380Member

    I'd get ready to see a whole lot more of these conversions in the near future.  Not that there are a lot of P2P AAA titles left anyway.  After Guild Wars 2 hits the market the bar is going to be set incredibly high with what they offer for a B2P game.  Other developers simply will not be able to release half-finished, unpolished games anymore.  Mark my words GW2 will change things.

     

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  • lifeordinarylifeordinary AgadirPosts: 646Member
    Originally posted by erictlewis
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by Mopar63

    TOLD YOU SO

    When this game release I was the ONLY reviewer that came out and said this game was sub par. Every other review location gave it rave reviews, called is the seocond coming. However I went a step further and stated that in less than a year this game would go F2P.

    I was called crazy, I was called buts, I was told I was an idiot. Well today I stand proudly by my original review of this game and do not back pedal like so many in this industry are doing. The difference was I had the balls to call it like I saw it, not hide from the mighty EA.

    Maybe you should quite reviewing then if according to you F2P means game is subpar. Was LOTRO subpar too? yes SWTOR could be average for variety fo reason but i can't help but wonder why people associtae F2P model with failure?

     

    According to recent reports SWTOR still has 500K players, LOTRO had similar population when it decided to go F2P. I don't understand your logic here really.

    This dirrectly from ea from their anual reports earning from this link, so it is not made up.  This is ea saying this

    First, the game many of you have been tracking closely, Star Wars: The Old Republic. 
    Although it launched well, subscriptions have been on a declining trajectory and have now
    slipped below one million.  Last year we announced that the breakeven point was roughly
    500,000 subscribers.  And while we are well above that today, that’s not good enough.

    So that is ea themselves saying that number is not good enough so yes I don't know how you can blindly say that the game is doing good when ea themselves are saying the game is in the dumpster.

    Link to ea investors site

    http://investor.ea.com/

    No to mention Lotro was loosing tons of player after mom. Yes free to play saved the game for them but it replaced a lot of veteran players with the new type of player.  I got a lifetime sub and I still have not played since it went free to play.

    Yes EA said number is not good enough because naturally they care for more money than they are making right now. It is EA after all but my original point remains. Only because a game is going F2P doesn't automatically means it is a failure.

    A MMO can go F2P for variety fo reasons. Lotro population was quite stable by the way, they were not losing a lot of players but after they saw the success of DDO F2P model they decided to turn LOTRO into freemium MMO.

    I remember this very well because all the players were puzzled that why suddenly Turbine is taking this step since LOTRO population was quite stable, it wasn't increasing but certainly not decreasing either.

    SWTOR still has second biggest population for a P2P MMO today, if that is failure i don't know what is success..regardless of what money hungry EA thinks is good enough number.

    The only other P2P MMO that surpasses SWTOR is WOW with 10+ million players. But then again WOW is an exception not a rule.

    And since SWTOR is stil keep subscription option open something tells me that is where most of the players will end up, The only difference is that players won't be playing for the client this time.

    I won't be surprised if population goes above 1 million in few months..so much a for failure MMO.

  • arcwestarcwest lubbock, TXPosts: 61Member
    Originally posted by Zzad

    I guess i´ll be back someday when it goes FTP so i can fihish leveling my main left at lvl 47....

    I was bored before reaching lvl cap..

    I guess 3 more lvls won´t be that painfull without having to pay a sub again....

    lol


    you lasted longer than me, i got two toons to 30 within my initial, included 30 game time, and i got too bored to pay for one month. it's a shame because i really wanted swtor to be good.

  • spinesplitspinesplit Hamilton, ONPosts: 115Member

    i was sooo hyped for this game.....played 15 days and quit.

  • CalerxesCalerxes LondonPosts: 1,630Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by Calerxes
    Originally posted by nilden

    I hope this is a serious wake up call to anyone in the industry. People voted with their wallets and it was a resounding "No."

     

     

    I very much doubt any other sub based game will survive sanbox, sandpark, themepark, themebox this is the market now people don't want to deal with subs and did not John Smedly predict that SW:TOR was going to be the last major sub based game? I feel they knew this and just cashed in on the box and 6 month subs already knowing they would have this as backup it has nothing to do with the perceived quality of the game.

    It has everything to do with the quality of the game.

     

    No it doesn't this is where the market is going and I'll be amazed if TESO doesn't launch as a freemium game and you can quote me on that. GW2 will have the same trajectory of players, loads at launch not so many 6 monthys later but it will not be because of its quality.

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  • CalerxesCalerxes LondonPosts: 1,630Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ironfungus

    It begins. Nicely done, ArenaNet. :)

     Shirley you mean Turbine?

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  • CalerxesCalerxes LondonPosts: 1,630Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Yamota

    Expected and predicted, long time ago, by us so called "doomsayers".

     

    Even a blind man will eventually hit a bullseye, enjoy your "I told you so" moment even though its a hollow one.

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  • ZaqirZaqir Montreal, QCPosts: 33Member Uncommon

    You are 100% right, the reason this game is gonig F2p is that it took NO CHANCES, decided that voice acting and non MMORPG elements like a linear single player story and dumbed down mechanics of established mmos would attract people.

     

    Did this game offer choice. NO, Talents were so rigid, classes and gameplay was rigid and uninspired. the worlds were lifeless and stale. No one wants to pay 15$ a month for that.

  • CalerxesCalerxes LondonPosts: 1,630Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Zaqir

    You are 100% right, the reason this game is gonig F2p is that it took NO CHANCES, decided that voice acting and non MMORPG elements like a linear single player story and dumbed down mechanics of established mmos would attract people.

     

    Did this game offer choice. NO, Talents were so rigid, classes and gameplay was rigid and uninspired. the worlds were lifeless and stale. No one wants to pay 15$ a month for that.

     

    ALL MMO's are going to take this road so the fake jubilation of the "real MMO players" around here will be short lived. And NO Arenanet did not start this trend. You have to thank the visionaries at Gpotato and other F2P comapanies for this one, OH! the irony of all those F2P is evil threads, great entertainment though.

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  • Mors.MagneMors.Magne LondonPosts: 1,420Member

    WoW is far more varied, deep, and has a sense of humour.

    SWTOR could have beaten WoW eventually if the PvE wasn't so repatitious.

    SWTOR would have beaten Eve Online hands down if they had decided to do a one universe PvP zone.

    But they focused on voice acting rather than gameplay.

    SWTOR is WoW-lite in space.

  • tysonj25tysonj25 becket, MAPosts: 66Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mors.Magne

     

    But they focused on voice acting rather than gameplay.

     

    And this is the problem. "We spend 300 million on this game!" Yeah 275 Million on crappy cut scenes and voice acting. 

    I bought the game, I liked the game but, I could see the failings of the game very early on! 

    Sad, I hope they fix the game, make it more explorable, more "grand" I guess. 

  • ZarriyaZarriya Long Island, NYPosts: 288Member Uncommon

    SWTOR didnt make a mistake by not embracing the F2P model from the start.  F2P is only a market direction for older and failed games.  WOW still has the traditional subscription model.  Most AAA games launch with a subscription model and we buy those games knowing that .  when the games don't deliver whats promised they go F2P after a drop in subscribers.  So Bioware is just lying by sayving hindsight is 20/20.

     

    my personal preference is a subscription based business model.

     

     
  • ignore_meignore_me Apple Valley, CAPosts: 1,987Member
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Malcanis

    Can anyone dig up that interview of the leader of the Bioware team saying basically "WoW is the most successful MMO so doing anything except copy WoW is dumb and will fail"?

     

    With money of SWTOR budget, it would be indeed dumb. Your point?

    Point = copying WoW was dumb and made the game fail.

    Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  • darkhalf357xdarkhalf357x Brooklyn, NYPosts: 1,164Member Uncommon

    About time.  Was waiting for this.  I subbed for three months day 1. Stopped playing in January. Never renewed. Game was fun but not worth the sub.   Will definitely go back and finish my Jedi and probably the other 7 stories.

    F2P model is the best (at least for me).  Allows me to play the game and if I really like it I support it through the CS.  I dont believe in P2W because no one can 'win' over my experience.  If you dont have to pay to play the game, cant really complain about MT.  At the end of the day its now a choice to pay as opposed to a given and Ill take that anyday.

     

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  • SimonVDHSimonVDH GdanskPosts: 178Member
    Originally posted by Tardcore

    SWTOR is not going free to play, there is no need to panic.

     

     


     

  • uncletomauncletoma Santa Margherita LigurePosts: 159Member
  • Bob_BlawblawBob_Blawblaw Montreal, QCPosts: 1,278Member
    Originally posted by Foomerang

    I'm gonna predict a Star Wars Galaxies relaunch by December.

    Been playing the 'game that shall not be named'

    SO much fun. Rose tinted goggles not needed at all. Would gladly pay for an official version.

  • KarahandrasKarahandras Sible HedinghamPosts: 1,676Member Uncommon

    Considering how fast this is going to adopt a f2p model(less than a year) am wondering when they started designing said model or even if they had it ready at launch?

  • GdemamiGdemami Beau VallonPosts: 7,865Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Karahandras

    Considering how fast this is going to adopt a f2p model(less than a year) am wondering when they started designing said model or even if they had it ready at launch?

    Would you expect any reasonable business to release new product and not be be ready for many "if" that may come?

  • GrumpyMel2GrumpyMel2 Catskills, NYPosts: 1,832Member
    Originally posted by lifeordinary
    Originally posted by Mopar63

    TOLD YOU SO

    When this game release I was the ONLY reviewer that came out and said this game was sub par. Every other review location gave it rave reviews, called is the seocond coming. However I went a step further and stated that in less than a year this game would go F2P.

    I was called crazy, I was called buts, I was told I was an idiot. Well today I stand proudly by my original review of this game and do not back pedal like so many in this industry are doing. The difference was I had the balls to call it like I saw it, not hide from the mighty EA.

    Maybe you should quite reviewing then if according to you F2P means game is subpar. Was LOTRO subpar too? yes SWTOR could be average for variety fo reason but i can't help but wonder why people associtae F2P model with failure?

     

    According to recent reports SWTOR still has 500K players, LOTRO had similar population when it decided to go F2P. I don't understand your logic here really.

    F2P isn't NECCESSARLY the sign of a subpar/failed game...if the game is designed with the INTENTION that it support that business model. It is the sign of a subpar/failed game when you need to scramble to do that as a "Plan B" because you are failing to meet the numbers you need to JUSTIFY your investment in it. Which is the case with TOR and to a lesser extent was the case with LOTRO. When your switching business model as "damage control" not as part of a purposefull plan.

    In both Turbines case (though to a lesser extent) and definately in TOR's case...F2P was a damage control measure....no matter what spin they try to put on it now.

    LOTRO was a great game INITIALY....and enjoyed decent success with SOA....but it  WASN'T having the sort of growth it needed to have in order to justify ongoing investment. MOM and it's other expansions were DISSAPOINTING financialy compared to the investment that was sunk into them. LOTRO had a relatively stable population yes...but it wasn't stable at a high enough level to satisfy the investments sunk into it (and certainly not enough to make it attractive to sell to WB at a decent return). F2P was a ploy by Turbine to try to repeat the kind of success they had with switching the model for DDO...but DDO was a true basement dweller with nowhere to go but up...not the same situation with LOTRO. LOTRO DID see a short term bump in proffits when it switched to F2P (though still nowhere near what they had with DDO).....but that bump was largely TRANSITORY.  In the long term, F2P... despite whatever PR spin you might here....hasn't been all that successfull financialy for LOTRO..... Honestly it's a toss up financialy whether Turbine would have been better off in the long term by having stayed with the Sub model and instead having used all the resources invested in switching the business model for the game into producing content at a better rate (which was the main player complaint for a long time as there was a MAJOR dry up of content while they were secretly working on F2P conversion) and improving game systems. LOTRO today is not doing all that well financialy....as evinced by the increasingly desperate nickle and diming for goods/services and the increasingly pushing of the envelope of the types of items offered in the cash shop.

    TOR's F2P move was even much more clearly evident as "damage control".  Yes,  TOR probably still enjoys over 500K subs...and that sounds like alot...but given what TOR costs to make and run and the expense of it's licensing deal... 500K subs SUSTAINED over the long term is what TOR needs, according to EA/Bioware's own finiancial people, just to BREAK EVEN.  (outside analyst's working for investors place that number much higher...some even twice as much). You don't build the most expensive MMO ever in history...just to BREAK EVEN on the deal...... and given the existing trends it's unclear if TOR wouldn't bottom out at well BELOW the 500K sub break even threshold.

    You don't see rapid change of business models,  plummeting stock prices, major layoffs AND (MOST IMPORTANTLY) significant shakeups in Executive Management from companies who's products are performing well.  Sorry but if it walks, like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's usualy a Duck.....and you add everything up...TOR is quacking loud and clear.

  • kingsatanaskingsatanas quebec, QCPosts: 31Member

    ???? ther is soooooo many better new mmo atm wth im gonna play this shit again?? f2p nahhh i like paying for quality game. f2p mean 40$ per month to get the same stuff as before well can said this game is a mmo

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