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Is it me or GW2 PAY 2 WIN game?
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A nice quote for this, "It doesnt matter if you win by a mile or by an inch, winning is winning". When you are loosing by a negligible disadvantage then the negligible advantage is all you need.
Imagine they have sold power in GW1.
Many of the people that dislike PW2 wouldn't be buying GW2.
If Anet goes that route, they will lose xpack box sales, plus cosmetic sales, plus any future sales of future games.
More, GW/GW2 community is built around PC GAMERS, not RPGers.
For them what matters is power, not some silly cosmetic or time safe advantage.
So no, sword+10 damage would be completely unaceptable.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
See 200 influence.
500 influence.
Guilds will earn that in a heart beat.
As you can see, GW2 always have more than 1 resource involved - sure one can buy blue prints, but they need supply.
One can buy influence, but they still need players to claim keeps, they still need research slots, they still need time to research the buffs.
Now, a 2 weeks match requiring one to get around 1.5 million points to win, wtih dozens of locations granting points, it is going to become quite an expensive affair.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
I think what people are trying to say in regards to WvW is that the advantage that can be purchased is negligible.
It's not negligible in a 1v1 or small scale battle. A boost can quite plausiblly be a deciding factor (even though the boosts are very small)
It is negligible because WvW is a meta-battle that lasts 2 weeks on a large scale map. Add to taht the fact that Mystic Chests must be found in game, and it is hard to argue that it is P2W.
IMO, its like purchasing a rocket-launcher to alter the course of a tornado. Will you see an immediate effect? Yup, there will be an explosion. However, that tornado's course is not significantly effected.
If you believe that ANY advantage at ANY time is P2W, then there will be no convincing you. However, I would like you to think of the alternative:
There are some games that don't sell ANY ADVANTAGES that have gold sellers that are not regulated. In fact, most moderately popular MMOs will have gold sellers who sell power for cash.
Gems are a way of combating that. Will it stop 100% of gold sellers 100% of the time? No. However, I do believe that the way this game has be created and formed will make it significantly more difficult to make a profit. You have multiple currencies, no statistical gear advantage at endgame, and a legal way of purchasing gold without creating inflation.
Is the gem system perfect? I don't think so. However, I do believe it is better than the alternative.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
Thats what you cant get through to them. And when those items start popping up they'll have even more lame reasons why its not P2W.
I know at least 3 games that didn't - GW1, LoL, WoT. What about EvE, is that P2W?
Curiously one of them is by Anet.
Just because you guys want Anet to behave like others it doesn't mean it will happen.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Yeah... It's not like they have a previous game using the exact same revenue model and a cash shop with no competative advantage... Oh wait they DO!
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Really? And what game might that be? And dont bother to say GW1 because that is not an mmo.
Looks like one expensive game. I'd rather pay $15 a month and be done with it.
It is only you.
Btw, even if its P2P .. Anet won´t be losing anything because GW2 is, anyway, the best MMO in the market nowadays. On the other hand Anet wanted to make a revolution in the gaming industry and this new '' B2P '' is just one of the many steps it is making to make GW2 the best MMORPG ever made. Which is not that far away btw. So a P2W can destroey everyhthing nd I don´t think that ANet can take that risk.
PS. For those saying that B2P ( buy to play ) can´t work without '' pay 2 win '', check GW1
Why expensive?
Guilds earn influence by having their players playing the game. So it is free.
Now imagine I want to make a personal guild to store goods - since I'll have 0 guildies, it would take some time to get the upgrades and storage I want. So, if I'm impatiante I can just buy influence via gold. If I don't have enough gold I can buy gems and get the gold to get what I want. And someone else will get their 6th or 7th character slot for free,
Money will give advantages, but not statistical advantages. The WvW "advantages" are limited by other factors like supply, research slots, time, require people in the first place and all can be acquired easily by playing normaly.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
I don't see how you will get cheaper guild perks by paying 15$ a month.
GW1 was not an FPS so it could not have competative PvP.
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GW1 while not a traditional MMO, did have servers and operational costs similar to a traditional MMO. It was proven to be a sustainable revenue model which they have transitioned to GW2. They have financial people which almost certainly are more qualified than you to determin if this revenue model will work...
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-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Your first 4 words sum it up nicely. Thanks for proving everybodys point.
You are truly adorable, people. Like a little cute puppies. You make a pool in the corner and think you've "won the debate". Yeah, you are totally "Winning!" this.
Not in a competing situation with other players though. Or to be more clear not in a combat situation.
As long as you reckon that we are in agreement.
If I have enough money I don't need to work and I can stay all day playing GW2, money gave me advantages.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Can we get moderators to lock/delete threads like this? I think it's pretty evident that you cannot use real life currency to buy any sort of items or boosts in the game that the result of doing so is "I bought this so I automatically win or have a such significant advantage over you that it would be a one in a million shot for you to beat me."
Those simply do not exist, getting XP boosts to level to 80 faster doesnt matter, as all the PvP auto-scales you to level 80 anyway. Getting Karma boosts matters so little because the only thing you can do with it is buy gear from vendors, and gear matters about as much to a PvP battle as losing a $100 bill matters to Bill Gates. And if your guild has a decent size (10-20) of even remotely active players (~10-15 hours a week each), your research will be bottlenecked by the fact they take days to research and that you can only queue up so many at a time.
I'm not vastly knowledgable in the area of economics and the like, but a couple friends are Business/Accounting majors and know what pay-to-win means (they game every now and then, just not on MMOs). But when even they say there is not a snowball's chance in hell that the cash shop in its current form is pay-to-win, I'm going to have to agree with them (even though they merely confirmed my earlier opinion).
Is it just me who thinks this thread should of been locked a long time ago?
Nope.
where we can enter in contact to moderators to lock this topic?
I don't think you read my entire post. Even if you were to posit the fact that a 4% boost to a single attribute, in a single keep, for whatever brief period of time a single guild owns that keep, is going to have any sort of significant impact on the match in general...there is still the fact that you haven't proven, and I still doubt, that buying gold with gems will allow a guild to buy more influence upgrades than a guild that doesn't do that. Yes, you can buy influence with money, but there is a hard cap on how fast you can spend influence because of the 24 hour (or longer) build time. We don't really know what influence rates are going to look like in a large guild that's focused on WvW, but unless buying gold leads to significantly faster rates of upgrade acquisition than simply farming the gold (or influence), there is literally zero P2W here. An advantage isn't an advantage if everyone has equal access to it, without spending money.
Mercenary slots and skill unlock packs in GW1 were far more "P2W" than these miniscule boosts, and the boosts aren't going to be exclusive to people who pay money anyway. If this is the worst "P2W" that GW2 has, it really goes to show how well the cash shop was designed.
too bad its not pay to have your OCD cured some gamers could really use it
This guy again... He lives to disagree.
MMO's are the ark of the gaming world. Let it take us in new directions.
It's kinda irritating that every time someone brings an unpopular oipinion here they get called trolls and people call out to lock the thread.
I'm new to learning about this game and I'm trying to figure out just what can get bought. I'm very interested in the game, but I'm disheartened by the fact that you can essentailly buy in game gold with real money. It might not be a huge advantage, but it makes me much less interested in the game. I'm not trolling, just saying how I feel. And seeing you whiteknights jumping all over anyone daring to have another opinion is also a turn off if it's remotely indicative of the kind of community this game will have.
It may not be pay to 'win' but it's certainly pay for advantage. I'm honestly not sure how people can deny that. Frankly, it's mindboggling. Is it a significant advantage? Doesn't look like it no, and that's good. But it's advantage and if you deny that you're just wrong.
Dude who cares, you can buy gold from a goldseller in any other game.