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Buy it all, if you don't understand the skills on your bar, no amount of money will save you. As was stated, at lvl 80 ALL armor is the same but for looks.
This game does not have the same problems, as Allods Online does, where you have to buy stuff or you will never be able to compete. It doesn't matter in this game. Buying stff will get you to 80 a few days quicker, but in PvP all players are lvl 80.
Your attitude belies the fact that you have not played the game.
It is skill that wins PvP in GW1 AND GW2, not how much money you put into the CS or how much you grind for uber armor(as was stated there is no 'UBER' armor).
I will post this for you....
No, your definition of p2w isn't definitive. In a hobby where accomplishment and experience (not xp but observing, encountering and gaining knowledge ones own self) is the point, but can also be bought, that's p2w. Which is why "they only have different garments or mounts" is not an argument against p2w. If I spend my game time gaining an object or set of clothing, only to turn the corner and see some guy who just started play wearing the same clobber which he bought from the item shop... yeah that fun.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
you know the best gear (cosmetic since stat gear are all easy to get) cant be bought right? you can have 1000Gold or lot of gems and you still cant have dungeons/pvo amazing cosmetics items.
Why not? if i sell gems and have 1k gold i can buy them from the trade post
here is an example of whats just going on here some people loves to buy advantage on the cash shop they dont want that to be taken, listen! it wont go away your pretty advantage will be there because thats the way they make money so no more pretending and defending it. Some people loves that and thats the people who defend that, im gonna buy advantage too but im not a lier saying that is not possible.
Another example here:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/04/19/the-daily-grind-how-do-you-define-pay-to-win/
and btw if the thread gets close or wathever theres always another thread about the same topic that will born you know why? because theres many minds thinking the same situation.
I dont blame the FANS who say is not pay to win, if i where so fan blinded i guess i would be like that too, im a fan but i wotn put my hand on the fire for any company, companies are business.
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Want. Want. Want. Yarrr!!! Yarrr!!!
P2W
Yep it is p2w i mean u have to pay to get the game and then WIN !!!
Hahahaha uh thanks!
That's the problem with new games they put such specifics on the 'win' condition that even when it's spelt out it's not understood. It really is like speaking a different language. An item doesn't have to have '0mfg sapping purge of pwnz0r +99' on it to be considered an exclusive item. The principle of win condition of the terms considered by many here is so irrelevent in an mmo it's not funny.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
But that's exactly the point. WHY would I care that you are leveling faster than me? Yes, you will be stronger in 10 days... But in 20 days you'll hit the cap, in 30 days I'll hit the cap, and from that moment on you and I will be equal - no matter how much money you will put in the game.
Why would I care that you'll have some advantage for 10 days over me? I'm perfectly happy with that.
Of course, I doubt that sharp and honed "minds" who are probably "enquiring" will understand my view, but hey, not everyone is as sharp as you are. Be careful, or you'll cut yourself with your mind.
The word is empirical and you don't have the data to prove your 'empirical' claim. I mean, having the data is what it's about: The word empirical denotes information acquired by means of observation or experimentation. Empirical data are data produced by an observation or experiment.
You just made what is known as a 'truth claim' without basis. Or, in short, just another opinion.
You have some empirical evidence to the contrary, feel free to put on proof. I won't hold my breath though.
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Any advantage sold in a CS that helps you progress faster or that makes you more powrful is P2W. Its funny that some dont want to understand that.
But I guess they dont want to recognize how bad things really are. A level playing field is a level playing field. It makes no difference if I am leveling, crafting, killing bosses or pvp:ing. It should not be possible to buy some item in a CS that helps. If that is possible the game is P2W...
Others can play what they want. But I think this is very reasonable. Some people really dont like games with advantage cash shops.
I will have to wait and see what they actually sell in GW2:s CS after release.
So being higher level than someone else (and missing half the DEs because of it) is P2W? In a game without endgame you are saying higher lvel for 1 hour (hat's what you'll get with the booster) is P2W? In a game that is all about exploration and experiencing content level means nothing. If it doesn't affect others but ONLY YOU it's not P2W. I'll level a few minutes later than you, so what?
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If you are higher level it means you are more powerful. It means you are buying power if you buy xp-potions. Of course the other players will catch up at max level. But it is still very true. If there was no reason to buy xp-potions they would not sell xp-potions. It would not be profitable....
Perhaps it affects my friends if they are trying to level as fast as me. They cant keep up if I use xp-potions.
"Win" is subjective and depends on POV and context. Perhaps it will be P2W for me and my friends. But anyone should be able to agree it is an advantage. Even if it is only temporary.
nah, it's just a way for the devs to cater to players with game addiction issues; i know people that "buy 2 win" and they still sux
It does grant an advantage, I doubt many will try to argue that, but it's not "P2W". That term has a different meaning and doesn't translate into this game, at least not in the current cash shop and I doubt it will in the future. People throwing that term around really need to do some homework on what it is exactly.
This is why all subscription games are P2W.
Given two people who are completely equal in all ways... they level at the same speed, they have enough free time they can play exactly 20 hours each week, they have the same amount of skill...
... the person who only pays their subscription fee half the months will be twice as slow as the person who pays their subscription fee every month.
That's a pretty clear cut case of pay to win, and it's =200%= faster for just 7.50 a month.
It's not P2W, not really you have to pay that to get that faster, none of that, they get 90 percent of their profit of the game from people buying it. At max, I'll pay 2 bucks a month for gems.
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Gear doesn't make a huge difference in the game. You should try playing it before stating stuff like this.
The game is most definitely not pay to win. Unless you mean paying your 60 dollars and winning by having so much fun
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There is no gear difference at all. If you mean the way they look yes.
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It's a lot like League of Legend's cash shop thingy, and that has made them a lot of money.
The purpose is not to make you better at the game, it's to enhance everything you already like about it. Really, the only statistical items in the game are things that make you level faster for a short time. If you think the game takes too long, then you're probably a casual player, and that's fine, WoW is very casual now, but you'll pay $15 a month for it.
But if you love the game, then you're going to feel like it's worth it to toss them a few bones from time to time to make your character prettier or travel in style, since the only other cash they got from you is when they sold you the game.
People are so entirely shortsighted considering P2W. The idea that power is only obtainable if and only if it is ONLY accessible on cash shop is right out laughable. Certainly there are varying degrees of P2W, butif your definition of P2W is being able to take advantage over others with money, then cash shops that sell gold for cash(or its equivalent) in MMOs inevitably fit this definition.
Example: A starts playing at the same time as B. They both play the game the same amount of hours. B has money to spare, A does not. B proceeds to spend cash for in game gold. B takes an advantage over A. Most games fit this description, but their degrees of how much advantage varies game to game.
The idea that since you can obtain it through gameplay THUS it is not P2W is ludicrous and incredibly naive. But of course, if your definition is something other than simply taking an advantage to other players through cash then we are at odds regarding the definition.
May the richest person win!!
Your example is correct, but that doesn't describe "P2W", that just describes a means of gaining an advantage by leveling slightly faster. P2W by definition is the use of a cash shop to actually "win" at a game, most of the time it's almost needed to compete, this game doesn't fit that at all.
edit: On a side note, I assume this means you define winning as being somewhat faster in a long term game that actually has a relatively low power cap? Does that mean once the power cap is reached, it's no longer p2w?
it's not as clear cut as you make it sound. Time advantage <> winning in everybody's eyes.
I think pretty much everybody is willing to say that GW2 sells convenience (ie reduced time playing), but a lot of people would argue if that actually makes you WIN.
If you're 20% faster, and it takes you 80 hours rather than 100 hours to hit cap, is that really that much of an advantage?
It's certainly not nearly as much of an advantage as being unemployed.
I guess you could argue that the idle rich have the biggest advantage, but the unemployed have a bigger advantage than those who are well to do the old fashioned way (ie: Working hard to get the money, and therefore have less spare time to play).
Perhaps to enforce fairness, we should revive the old FFXIV 'only level so much a day' idea. An idea whose time has come!